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A34886 The proverb crossed, or, A new paradox maintained (viz.) that it is not at all times true, that interest cannot lye being a full, clear and distinct answer to a paper of an English gentleman, who endeavours to demonstrate that it is for the interest of England that the laws against transportation of wooll should be repealed. Carter, W. (William) 1677 (1677) Wing C676B; ESTC R18389 22,868 28

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