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A67646	A defence of the innocency of the lives, practice, and doctrine of the English preists [sic], Jesuits, and papists relating to the crimes of murther and treason, vnjustly charged on them by E.C. in his narrative wherein are discouered his grosse mistakes, his wilfull falsifications, his shamefull falshoodes, and his groundlesse vniust accusations of the English papists.	Warner, John, 1628-1692.	1680 (1680)	Wing W908A; ESTC R221952	27,739	33

God his Prince haue furnisht him with for the defence of his ship althô by that meanes some Algerins be killed their souls lost for Christ's law would be intolerable to Absolute Powers if it enjoined the contrary if I say you answer so you say as much as Soto says Not to tire my Reader with vnecessary matter repetitions I omit what you cite out of Nauar Grassü Bonacina One word suffices for all either they truly approue of Murther or they do not If they do we disown them so you haue no right to charge their sentiments on vs. CHAPTER 4. Protestants both teach practice sedition Rebellion IT is with the greatest reluctance imaginable that I rake in this kennel whereof the fumes stench is able to infect a People so susceptible of the infection as English are Jt were to be wisht these seditious maximes had neuer appeared in the world or that vpon their first appearance that seuerity had been vsed on them which the Roman Senat practised on Monsters that they had been transported out of the fight of men butyed in perpetuall obliuion The G●nerals of the Iesuites haue often forbidden their subjects to treate of any of these seditious points least by writing of them their memory might be preserued which is always dangerous when People are disposed to practice them And I doubt not but experience will sh●w that is the most prudent way to preuent all mischeife Yet to comply with your importunity I will follow encounter you in this I owne that there haue been excesses on both sides in their writers whose zeale for the cause they embraced was greater then their Discretion Yet the fault is lesse in those who stand only for what was of old beleiued and practised then in those who would haue all things changed according to their phansy therfore the excesses on the Catholicks side are more excusable yet we shall find the Protestants more pragmatical more refractory to Superiours more violent more seditious Rebellious then Catholicks without comparison I will begin with your Doctrine then passe to your practice The roote of all our seditious maximes is that detestable Proposition of your Patriark Witlef no Prince nor Prelat nor Bishop continues such in state of mortal sin Concil Constant f. 8. of which Melanction sayd Comment in Polit. Wicles caused much mischeif by teaching that those loose all Authority who haue not the holy Ghost What Oates hath the impudence to say euen to his Majesty is much worse for he requires not only that Princes Liue vertucusly that is haue the Holy Ghost but also punish all who do not vnder paine of Deposition Goodman in his Apology is of the same mind Bad Princes according to the Law of God ought to be deposed sayd he in case the Magistrates neglect to doe their Duty the People haue as free liberty to do it as if there were no Magistrates at all in those circumstances of time God enlargeth them with liberty to vse the sword Caluin in 6. Dan. v. 22. 25. The Kings of the Earth doe depriue themselues of Power when they make head against the King of Heauen Yea they are vnworthy to be numbred amongst men therefore we are rather to spit in their faces then to obey them Knox If Princes gouerne tyrannically against God his Truth their subjects are absolued from their Oath of Fidelity But is this freeing from their oath all No For Buccanan says The common People haue right to dispose of the scepters of Kingdomes at their pleasure Again the People have Power to Iudge of the life of their Kings Yet more It were to be wisht that rewards were appointed for such as kill Tyrants as there are for such as kill wolues Goodman Kings haue right to raigne from the People who vpon occasion can also reuoke it In fine Osiander says it is the common opinion of Wiclef's followers that the People may as they shall pleafe punish their Princes who offend These many other seditious Doctrines may be found in the Protestants Apology And if any desire to see their number encreased by modern Factious Spirits he shall see enough in the ordinary Gazets viz that the King is one of the three states that the house of Commens made him what he is that it is not treason to beare armes against the King prouided it be not against the three states That the Parliament CAN DISPOSE of the SVCCESSION of the CROWN many such maximes which you dayly aduance of as malignant a Nature as any before cited Here I must obserue a remarkable difference betwixt Catholicks you Catholicks do not follow these Principles I defy you to name any one Catholick aliue who hath taught any of them you retaine them still or rather grow worse worse Which is of no small consequence to discouer what party is dangerous to the state which guilty of treasonable maximes I come now to your practice which giues reason to say you came into the world like the Cadmean brood all armed that many or rather all your Princes felt your armes assoon as they saw your faces In Geneua you cast off the Authority of your Bishop Prince of the town In higher Germany you shaked the authority of Charles V. Emperour In lower Germany you withdrew many Prouinces from the obedience of their King You vsurped vpon Rudolphus the Emperour in Transiluania vpon Christiernus in Denmarck vpon Sigimund in Swedeland You fought for the Crowne of France against Francis II. Charles IX Henry III. in the time of Charles IX you coined mony in the name of one you held for King says Cardinal Richelieu Let vs come to our deare Country In England you set vp Iane Grey against the lawfull heyre queene Mary You bore armes against another Mary lawfull queen of Scotland brought her into restraint forced her to depose her self to fly her country not content with keeping her Prisoner nineteen yeares at last you put her barbarously to a violent death Your perpetual insolencies against her son Grandson your encroachments vpon the Royul Prerogatiue are written with a Beame of the sun Your whole proceedings against Charles 1. of Glorious memory are so knowne that I need not to mind you of them so detestable that I need no Art to make them appeare odious I defy you to shew that euer any Catholick designed vpon his Souveraigne what you haue lately acted on yours Now with what face can you reproach vnto vs any seditious Doctrin whilst you teach much worse haue executed things more execrable then euer any Catholick dreamt of Remoue this beame out of your eye before you take notice of a moth in ours which yet we haue long since remoued as I sayd CHAPTER 5. English Catholicks teach no seditious Doctrines E. C. pag. 4. describes vs to be men who sweepe away whole townes Citties Nations subuert sundamental

of these Doctrines but seueral vniuersities Bishops haue censured them the Pope hath condemned them I say those very Propositions which you cite out of Molina Lessius Amicus That of Amicus that it is Lawfull for an Ecclesiastick to kill a Detractor was condemned by Alexander VII 24. Sept. 1665. Those of Molina Lessius that it is lawfull to kill to saue our honour by Innocent XI 2. March 1679. which decrees are enforced with an Excommunication for all such as dare disobey Now I suppose you know that all true Catholicks obey the Popes decrees in Doctrinal matters how euer they take the freedome to Iudge of things before any Declaration of the Church or her head vnder Christ on Earth yet when any decree is publisht we all lay down our priuate sentiments frame both Actions conscience according to that venerable rule With what Iustice then can you charge any with those Doctrines which we all do renounce and are bound to do so vnder paine of Excommunication Lastly I appeale to the Experience of English Protestants who haue trauelled let them say whither in Flanders France or euen Rome it self they found the Papists such Bloud thirsty Ruffians as you describe them A Minister who had preacht in England that the Pope was the Beast of the Apocalypse had seuen heads ten hornes coming afterwards to Rome being admitted to the presence of the Pope who had heard of it the Pope sayd to him Come hither son view me well see that I haue but one head neuer a horne at all looke vpon my head which he then vncouered feele it beleiue your owne eyes that I am no such a monster as you in England describe me This was Vrbaen VIII Another of the same tribe tooke the liberty in Rome amongst the Natiues to declaime against the Pope who hearing of it sent one to aduise him to be more wary in his words for althô sayd he there shall be no publick procedure against you yet I cannot assure but that you may receiue some displeasure from some of my subjects As for Iesuits whome you represent as most addicted to Murthering Protestants I neuer heard any complaint of Inciuilities receiued from them and I haue heard seuerall trauellers Marchants acknowledge fauours receiued by their meanes euen in Spaine Italy the Indies Mr. Oates your Oracle hath done nothing in England which he did not design at S. Omers with his vsuall discretion discouered there that black hellish design Mr. Whitebread then Prouincial knew this very well spoke of it with much anguish to some aliue who can witness it foreseing what mischeif might be feared when that man 's malicious lying humour should ioyn with the Popular Odium of Catholicks particularly Iesuites Then or neuer there was occasion to practice vpon him that case of Amicus had the Iesuites approued it Yet no such thing was thought on the Prouincial ordred him a decent sute of Cloths and four pounds sterling to beare his charges to London sent him away with all possible charity to see whither he could by that sweeten his malignity ouercome Euil with good Rom 12.21 This this is the way which Iesuites vse towards their enemies thi● they learne our of the Ghospel their Rules this their Superiours recommend this they practice to heape hot Coales vpon their Ennemies not to burne the least haire of their heads but to warme their harts with the fire of the loue of God which will introduce that of their Neighbour And that the English Catholicks are bred vp with the same peaceable sentiments appeares by their Patient suffering whatsoeuer Oates his Associates haue acted in pursuance of his Majesty's order but beyond his commission contrary to his mercifull intentions althô their cruel Actions haue been accompanyed with insulting barbarous words which are much more greiuous to a generous mind then the Actions themselues All which haue met with no other return but prayers for his Sacred Majesty euen for those instruments of God's wrath vpon the Nation I say the Nation which in reality suffers more then Catholicks who seeme the greatest only sufferers in this Tragedy for Non qui patitur sed qui facit iniuriam miser est I now appeale to your self sir what hath appeared in all this sharpe tedious tryall of the Catholicks which doth confirm the Character you giue of them viz that their Tempers are Fire Toe that they haue cast off their Humanity are more fell sauage then Tigers worse then the Beast which perish c. To confute these Impudent calumnies nothing is necessary but to looke on our liues Apologias non scribimus sed viuimus CHAPTER 3. The Iesuits cited by E. C. doe not teach Murther to be lawfull I haue hitherto admitted your assertion to be tru that those Iesuites you cite did teach Murther to be Lawfull yet that the English Catholicks were vnconcerned in it that there is not the least colour of Reason or Iustice to charge it on them I now come to examin that assertion if your proofs faile you there too then I hope you will own that your Bill ought not to be found E. C. pag. 2. Lessius de Just l. 2. c. 9. d. 12. n. 79 saies that h● who hath receiued a box o th Ear may be permitted to strike againe for the auoiding of infamy to that end may immediatly put bucke the Injury that with his sword etiam cum gladio Answer 1. those are not the words of Lessius but taken by him out of Victoria de Iure Belli n. 8. Ans 2. Lessius condemnes that opinion for he says n. 80. Haec sententia non videtur in praxi facile permittenda This opinion is not easily to be followed giues two very good reasons why it is not to be practised Answ 3. It doth not appeare out of those words that the Authour of them speakes of killing neither doth the vse of the sword signifye that seing a sword may be vsed 1. for our defence 2. to fright an aduersary 3. to beate him Au plat d'Espée say the french 4. to giue some slyght wound not mortall either with point or edge Answ 4. Whosoeuer taught that opinion what euer his meaning was all Catholikcs particularly Iesuites renounce it for Innnocent XI expressely condemned it And all the Iesuites in the world submit to that decree E. C. Page 3. Lessius l. 2. c. 9. d. 12. n. 77. says If you endeauour to ruin my reputation by opprobrious speeches spoken before persons of Honour that I cannot auoyde them other ways then by killing you I may nay thô the crime you lay to my charge be such as I am really guilty of it being supposed to be so secretly committed that you cannot discouer it according to the ways of Iustice Answ 1. Lessius hath not those words nor any bearing the same sence in