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A55712	The present state of Christendom consider'd in nine dialogues between I. The present Pope Alexander the VIII. and Lewis the XIV. II. The great Duke of Tuscany, and the Duke of Savoy. III. King James the Second, and the Marescal de la Feuillade. IV. The Duke of Lorrain, and the Duke of Schomberg. V. The Duke of Lorrain, and the Elector Palatine. VI. Louis the XIV. and the Marquis de Louvois. VII. The Advoyer of Berne, and the Chief Syndic of Geneva. VIII. Cardinal Ottoboni, and the Duke de Chaulnes. IX. The young Prince Abafti, and Count Teckely. Done out of French.	Alexander VIII, Pope, 1610-1691.; Louis XIV, King of France, 1638-1715.	1691 (1691)	Wing P3259A; ESTC R203184	56,532	108

admire at the goodness of your memory Surely you must have a great deal of leisure time in Ireland to learn all these foolish Stories there Well well whatever Calumnies we have given the World occasion to asperse us with yet I think we have no reason to fall a reproaching one another I am a Mareschal of France without Reputation and you are a King of England without a Crown Now pray tell me who is the most unfortunate of us two DIALOGUE IV. The Duke of Lorrain and the Duke of Schomberg Lorrain HA Am I not deceived Is it you that I behold and is the King of France so happy as to lose in so short a time two of his most considerable Enemies Schomberg You are not mistaken I am the very same To acquaint you then with somewhat of my History you must understand that I commanded the King of England's Army till such time as he came to head them himself I was at the joyning of the two Armies I was engaged in the fight I assisted to set every thing in the most advantageous posture when out of a fear to ravish any part of the Glory out of that Monarch's hands to whom it is intirely due I quitted my Post to come to the Shades below and particularly to inform you for your comfort that King William III. is still alive who alone is in a Capacity to reduce the common Enemy that has hitherto disturbed the Peace of all Europe and whose restless Ambition has thrown him on no less a Design then making all the World wear his Fetters Lorrain I agree with you in all the Elogies which you bestow upon so great a Prince 'T is the greatest satisfaction imaginable for me to understand that he is still alive but for all that I cannot forbear the testifying my Resentment upon the occasion of your Death Without pretending to diminish the least part of his Glory I dare presume to say that you were no inconsiderable help to him and I am very well perswaded that he is not altogether insensible of your loss Schomberg 'T is indeed very true that several of the Dead who arrived here after me have assured me that he was pleased to honour me with a few Tears but I am willing to attribute them rather to the kindness he had for me than to the loss he has sustained by my Death Lorrain I perceive you are but newly arrived to these Quarters because you still retain some of the Customs of the other World I ought therefore to inform you that here below we are altogether insensible to the praises which are given us and that as we never receive any Elogies but what are real and due so they that receive them don't make it a matter of Ceremony to put them off or disown them This method you are to use with me and all the illustrious Dead with whom you are to converse hereafter Schomberg I am willing to submit to this Law since it was not designed for me alone but as you tell me obliges all of us equally Pursuant to this Order you ought to assure me that although our Deaths is very advantageous to the King of France since it has delivered him from two Enemies that were not to be despised yet it ought to be confess'd that the Advantage is equal Lorrain I don't altogether assent to what you have said You had without comparison more Experience than my self and whatsoever Advance I made in the management of the late War yet I must own that I had the glory to go to your School and there to be acquainted with abundance of things that were unknown to me before Lorrain 'T is true I had somewhat more Experience then you but you were in the flower of your Age your years did not hinder you from the pursuit of Action and you were still learning more and more every day On the other hand it was high time for me to consider of a Retreat and the weaknesses of my Age would not permit me to execute all those Designs which I had formed before Lorrain I don't know which of us two hated France the most As for my self I must own that as I believed I had all the just Occasions in the World to hate her so I never failed to show it as Opportunity served Schomberg 'T is no wonder that your Aversion to her was so great since you suck'd it in with your Milk If you 'l pardon the Expression and received it by way of Inheritance from your Ancestors Besides she barbarously despoiled you of your Paternal Inheritance and that was too gross and insupportable an Injury to be ever forgotten But now to come to my own Case none of my Family had the least Reason to complain of the most Christian King and till the last Persecution I had all manner of Obligations to thank Lewis the Fourteenth If I served him faithfully and honestly he took care to recompence all my Services My Religion at last compelled him to enjoyn my Retirement and I presently obeyed him Notwithstanding all this I have entertained no particular hatred for the Person of the King for which I shall ever preserve a great esteem and respect As I was left at liberty to dispose of my self so I believed it was lawful for me to engage in another Service The King put me out of a Capacity of serving him any longer but though this Conduct appear'd somewhat rude and severe yet it never prevailed upon me so far as to extinguish the memory of all my former Obligations I was very glad that the late Conjuncture did not carry me to make War directly against him and if I had been obliged to have done it by the duty of my Charge I had done it I confess but not without some little regret and some particular concern Lorrain Behold a generous temper of mind and which is to be parallel'd but by very few Examples in the World However give me leave to use the freedom with you as to tell you that there was a particular Circumstance in your Case which may abundantly justifie your Aversion The King of France never obliged me in all his life and never received any manner of Service from me so I never expected any kind usage at his hands But as for your self you have all the reason in the World to imagine that since you had done so much for him he would never repay you with so black an Ingratitude You have declared that you were not influenced by any Passion of hatred on the other hand I freely own that it mingled it self in all my Actions and therefore upon that Consideration I will agree with you that the King of France had a more formidable Enemy in me than in your self And yet at the same time I can never prevail with my self to own that my Death was more advantageous to him than yours Since his Majesty of Great Britain set himself at the head of his own Troops he knew

to conclude a Peace than that he believes it will be far more necessary and advantageous for them than for himself Cardinal Upon my word if that be all you need not give your self the trouble to enter into any Negotiation The Catholick Princes that are leagued together have too certain a prospect of advancing their own respective Interests to content themselves with such pitiful Overtures Duke I see you make no reckoning of the Advantage they 'll receive by uniting themselves with the King to exterminate the Protestant Princes and divide the Spoil between them Cardinal One must be a very insensible person indeed to be cajoled with stupid Rhetorick The Protestant Princes are at present the right Arm of the Emperour to defend him against the Encroachments of your King How then can he be perswaded to sacrifice them I wish you would inform me what the House of Austria were able to do without the Assistance of the Prince of Orange the Hollanders the Electors and other Protestant Princes Don't they sustain the greatest part of the Burthen of the War and since with all these Forces she finds it difficult enough to resist your King what would she do I pray if she were deprived of all these Supports Duke But if the Hereticks were once destroyed the House of Austria would enrich herself with their Spoils and all their Forces would become hers Cardinal That would not be amiss I own if she were to reap all the benefit but would not your King do you think come in for his share of the Spoils Is it not very certain that being the strongest by much he would reserve the Lion's Portion for himself And so then when the House of Austria would fortifie her self on one side your King would do the same on the other in such manner that this new acquired Power would be ten times worse ballanced than it is at present After all when every thing comes to be considered 't is the Emperour's Interest not to suffer the Protestants to be run down at least under the present Exigences If that House should find it self in process of time as powerful as it has formerly been why then she may think of Extirpating Heresie But then 't is to be feared the Hereticks also would change sides and that in order to keep the Scales even they would make their Applications to France Therefore you must never think of separating the Catholick Princes from the Protestants with whom they have made so strict a Confederacy But now to procure a general Peace what expedient can you find out to adjust the Affairs of England Duke This is without dispute the most difficult Point of all and I don't see how we could at the same time satisfie the King my Master and the Allies upon this Article if a particular Peace with the Catholick Princes were proposed Cardinal You say right 't is indeed very perplexed and is more embarrassing of it self than all the Pretensions of the other Princes the Allies 'T is not to be supposed that the Prince of Orange has a mind to descend from the Throne to which he was so deservedly elevated He must either perish in the Post where he is or maintain it still There is no middle way The Church and Catholick Princes would be covered with everlasting shame should they abandon a King who sacrificed himself for their common Liberty How then can this matter be accommodated I only see one way and that is to oblige the King of England to Abdicate his Crown voluntarily He has a Prince of Wales still to manage his Interests after him Duke I can assure you the King will never abandon his Allie and if a Peace is not to be obtained without sacrificing that unfortunate Prince he will by no means agree to it He has too great a respect for his own Honour to make so inglorious and so base a Compliance Cardinal You had better say for his Interest for all the World knows he never was guilty of Idolatry towards the former I can only add That 't is not along of him that the King of England was not established in his Throne but one cannot condemn in the same Breath the Levity of a Nation that had not courage enough to support their lawful Prince and the Cowardize of a Prince who durst not show himself before his Enemies Duke All these Reasons will not content Louis le Grand and all these Obstacles are not capable of diminishing his Courage The more the pain the greater is the glory Heroick Souls despise the Paths of Ease And dangers only whet the edge of Virtue Moliere l'Etourdi I dare pretend to Prophecy that you 'll see the next Campagn greater Efforts used to re-establish the King of England than hitherto you have seen If the Prince of Orange does not make a vigorous Opposition we shall send towards the beginning of the Spring either into England or Ireland Thirty thousand of our best Men to be commanded by a Marshal of France or some other General who has more Authority and Experience than the Count de Lauzun Cardinal Nay if it be so 't is to no purpose to think of setling a Peace in Europe Things are not yet ripe enough nor are Mens spirits so weary of the War as to desire rest so soon Duke I am clearly of your Opinion DIALOGUE IX The young Prince Abafti Count Teckely Abafti IS it then true that after all the Obligations you had to the Prince my Father you could be so horribly ungrateful as to enter those Territories which he left me with your Army to the end that you may render your self Master of them to my Prejudice Surely you have not forgot how serviceable he was to you at the beginning of the War when you declared against the Emperour of Germany You had as free a Command of his Troops as if they had been your own and perhaps if he had not espoused your Quarrel you would not be in a Condition at this present to seize that Principality which of right belongs to me Teckely You are much mistaken young Prince in talking so hotly with me and I would Answer you after your own manner if I did not consider that 't is not so much you that Discourses as the Germans in you upon whom you have made your self so slavish a Dependant You need not refresh my memory with the good Offices your Father has done me and though the end did not Answer the beginning since at last he closed with my Enemies and joyned his Forces with theirs yet I shall ever preserve the remembrance of his mighty Obligations because I am willing to attribute his last Failures rather to the violence of the Germans and meer necessity then his own Inclination If I have entred Transilvania in Arms 't is not so much against you as the Emperour for he is the true Master of that Province you are only a poor Titular Prince Besides you know the Grand Seigneur

still to murmur upon that Occasion why then if you would have been ruled by me you should have dropt the Royal Infant and utterly disowned him For a Person of your Experience need not be told that you could never fail of having such a Prince of Wales as that was at any time James II. Ha! what is this you have said One would conclude from your words that you doubt whether the Prince of Wales is my own proper Son or no La Feuillade To confess the truth I make a question of it and I think not without reason on my side All the Mysteries of his Birth are evident Proofs of his being an Imposture and I wonder in my heart how such mighty Politicians as you had about you could be guilty of such unpardonable Solecisms in the management of that Affair James II. The little precaution that was used in the case is in my Opinion an undeniable Argument for the truth of his Birth for if a man had designed to palm an Infant upon the World 't is to be supposed he would have been better precaution'd La Feuillade That Argument would not be amiss if you had not known before hand that most of the People doubted of your Queens being with Child But since you are well enough acquainted with the disposition of your Subjects if there had been no juggle in the case you ought to have used all imaginable care to have cured them of their Jealousie especially in a Business of this great Importance This Conduct was observed by the Emperour Henry the Sixth upon a like Occasion and all Princes who have any regard to their Interests ought to follow it The Empress Constance the Wife of Henry the Sixth who was Surnamed the Severe became big with Child when she was about fifty years old The Emperour to remove that Suspicion which might probably have been entertained and withal to satisfie the World that he designed to put no Imposture upon them ordered her lying in to be in the open Field under the Tents near Palerme and this in the presence of all the People The Empress in the midst of so Jovial an Assembly on the Twenty sixth of Decemb. in the Year 1196. was delivered of a Prince whose Name was Frederick who was afterwards elected Emperour You were not ignorant of this remarkable Story You could not but be sensible of the Suspicions of your own People and therefore you ought to have observed the very same Conduct if you had not suffered your self to be ingaged in a Cheat. But latebat anguit in herbâ James II. I know all you have told me and was very well informed of the Suspicions of my People but however I was not willing to follow the Example of Henry the Sixth But my Design was to chalk out a way to Glory which was altogether new and surprizing Although the Prince of Wales was my own Son yet I would not condescend to remove those Suspicions which my Subjects had entertained about him because relying upon my own power I pleased my self with the imagination that all the World believed I had Credit and Authority enough over my Subjects to give them a Successor such as I pleased and they not dare to disbelieve or mutter against it Perhaps I had not taken up these Measures if they had not been possessed with this unmannerly Suspicion And now you have the true cause of all the Mystery as you call it which appear'd at that Birth La Feuillade If what you say be true I can only conclude you are an unfortunate Person for I dare swear no body will believe you as to this point Few Persons I am sure would hazard the wearing of a Crown after this manner and we have all the reason in the World to entertain but a very ordinary Opinion of your Prudence if you made no better use of it 'T is certain that this reason was invented after the business was over and for my own part I should be loth to dive any further into this Secret since I find you are not willing to make a Confident of me As I am a Subject of the most Christian King and your most humble Servant and so forth I am willing to believe that the Prince of Wales is your Son But as I am a rational Creature I hope you 'l allow me the liberty to think as I please for to deal freely with you I cannot possibly bring my self over to believe a Syllable of this matter without passing at the same time the severest Judgment in the World of your Discretion James II. Why then believe as you please for it shall never trouble me But since your hand is in at giving Advice I would willingly know what you would advise me to do at present La Feuillade In troth Sir you put me now to a very difficult point Your Affairs are too disordered and perplexed that in my Opinion the most refined Politicians upon Earth are not able to find out a Remedy for them James II. They are not so much disorder'd as you imagine or if they were it is not a Sin to doubt of the Puissence of your King Don't you know that nothing is impossible for him to do And that my Cause lying in his Hands cannot fail of Success first or last La Feuillade Pray Sir did you ever read Moluri in your life James II. Yes I have read him But what relation has that to our present Subject La Feuillade Methinks now one finds two Characters in that Poet that represent the King of France and James the Second to the life One of them always take true Measures the other never fails by his imprudence to ruine all the Designs that were contrived in favour of him And now 't is no difficult matter to make an Application James II. The Application is very pretty and worthy of the Duke de la Feuillade That is to say in plain English the King of France is the prudent Mascarille and I the dull Lelie the Sir Martin Mar-all La Feuillade We find the very same Characters amongst all Conditions and if we charge the Names of the Persons in Moliere the rest will not unsuitably agree to your self James II. In what particulars do you find that I have ruined the Designs which his most Christian Majesty has set on foot either to maintain me in my Throne or help me to re-ascend it since my Abdication Le Feuillade Not to descend to particulars in every thing The great confidence you placed in your never to be forgotten Army made ●ou refuse those Troops which the King of France would have sent over into England to your Assistance a little before the Prince of Orange landed with his Army 'T was contrary to his Advice that you were prevailed upon to revoke whatever you had done in favour of the Catholick Religion and by that means gave your Enemies an occasion to discover your Weakness You discovered such publick Testimonies of your fear

Crown from the Prince his Son but whatever precautions he may use on the Emperour's side he 's not assured for all that they will succeed It will be ten times easier for him to justifie his Pretences against these little Princes and if Moldavia and Walachia were once more in the Hands of his Imperial Majesty he would run the hazard of losing them for ever Upon this score he 's willing to give the Hospodars an opportunity to shake off their new Yoke which their Necessities obliged them to receive As soon as that is once done I don't question but he 'l put his Army in a better posture Elector You are much in the right A new comer to these lower Regions informed me that his Troops are marched to a rendezvous and that the Tartars being advertised of these Motions returned back to Budziak In the mean time the Blow is struck and the Turks have regained almost every thing they had a mind to Lorrain To say the truth I am desperately afraid that Fortune has ceased to persecute the Infidels and if I had been believed we had not tarried for the reverse of our good luck to accommodate Matters with them Whatever Sentiments some Flatterers may have prepossessed the Emperour with I am sure he 'll find it a difficult Task to maintain the War at the same time against two such formidable Powers as the King of France and the Great Turk If he divides his Forces equally he will be constrained to act only on the Defensive part and if he employs the better part of his Men on one side he will be in danger of losing as much that way as he will gain the other Elector Experience does but too well justifie the truth of what you say The whole Campagne was spent in defending our selves against the French upon the Rhine and the Turks in Servia Yet still it had been some comfort for us if we had managed our Game as well as the Enemy has done but to our shame be it spoken we have done nothing at all even when the Advantage lay on our side The Dauphin ordered his Affairs so well as to make his Troops subsist one part of the Summer in the Enemies Country and we have a great deal of reason to believe that the Infidels will recover Nissa Widin and perhaps Belgrade it self before the end of the Campagne without reckoning at the same time the progress of Teckely's Arms in Transylvania Lorrain We ought to hope however that better Measures will be taken against next Summer Well let us leave this Care to the Living As for us that are Dead the Affairs of the other World don't concern us let what will happen there we shall neither be the better nor worse DIALOGUE VI. Louis the Fourteenth Le Marquis de Louvois Louis TO say the truth I am well enough satisfied with this Summers Campagne and if James the Second had seconded me I should reckon this Year amongst the most fortunate Years of my whole Life In effect what could I desire more being attacked as I was on all sides almost by all the Powers of Europe and assisted by none of any regard than to preserve my Conquests It would be too great a Presumption to aspire after new Victories under so many Disadvantages M. de Louvois 'T is indeed very true that your Success has even surpassed our Expectation You remember Sir without question that we reckon'd upon the loss of Philipsburg and Montroyal and that your Majesty was of Opinion we should come off very well if we were only forced to quit those two places Louis I remember it full well but then we never reckoned upon the loss of Ireland and yet you know that Kingdom is as good as gone And now I am not fully satisfied whether it had not been better for our Affairs to have lost Philipsburg and Montroyal to the Enemy provided we could have kept Ireland in our hands still 'T is evident that as long as the Prince of Orange had that Bone to pick he could never think of passing the Sea On the contrary we must expect to see him next Summer in Flanders at the Head of a very considerable Army and I protest to you I have too good an Opinion of him to imagine that he will lose any time in only observing the Posture of my Troops M de Louvois Nay Sir what you say is but too true and I begin to perceive one mighty Fault we have committed and which is I am afaid irreparable The too good Opinion we had of the King of England has ruined all We believed we could not provide the Army in Ireland with a better General and that is the reason why we were content to send the Count de Lauzun along with him If the Business were to be done again and you had ordered one of your experienced Generals to cross the Seas I much question whether the Prince of Orange had found it so easie a matter to reduce that Island Louis That would not have been sufficient For in the first place we must have sent for all the Irish Forces and returned French Troops in the room of them We must have given Orders for our Men to work perpetually in the fortifying all those places which they had judged proper to preserve and especially the Sea-port Towns I own they had time enough to have done all this and then they had been in a Condition to dispute every foot of Earth and to have protracted the War much longer As for the Irish they might have been employed either in Garrisons or else in Catalonia in the room of those Troops that were drawn from thence where their Courage and Bravery if they had any were not in fear of being the worse for using M. de Louvois I agree to all that your Majesty has said But surely Sir you have not forgot how 't was feared we should utterly forfeit the Affection of the English if we put our selves absolutely in the possession of Ireland and you know we expected no inconsiderable things at that time from what our Friends were able to perform in England Louis There was I confess a grand mistake in the management of that Affair But 't is too late to repent of it now I find I have nothing to trust to but my Sword and if I were to begin again I would have sent some Fifty thousand Men into England to maintain the King there upon his Throne and preserve that Crown for him which he has lost only by reposing too great a Confidence in his Subjects But now that Opportunity is lost and we have not so much spare time upon our Hands as to spend it in any impertinent Complaints for what is passed rather let us make provision for what may happen hereafter Therefore let me know what is to be done under the present Exigences to dissipate that Tempest that so secretly threatens to visit me by the beginning of the next Spring M. de Louvois

my Master and the Emperour of Germany have all along had great Disputes which of them it was who had the right to nominate a Prince to the Transilvanians and 't was to the former that the Prince your Father ow'd his Elevation He caused him to be elected notwithstanding all the Intrigues and Cavelling of the Emperour and the Germans He likewise has made me to be advanced to this Dignity and you cannot dispute the Right of my Election without calling into question that Prince's Title to whom you owe your Birth Abafti That Consequence of yours is none of the justest I own the Grand Seigneur employ'd his credit to get my Father Elected Prince of Transilvania but at the same time he never pretended to constrain the States to make that Choice They had an entire Liberty of Voting as they pleased and it was only the Plurality of Voices that Advanced him to that Dignity But as to your own Case the Grand Seigneur has not so much as consulted the Transylvanians and 't is his Authority alone that has established all your Right Teckely I own the States never elected me but the reason is because they had no permission so to do but were obliged to submit to the severe Laws and Impositions of their Conquerours However the Event has shown that if they had been left to their own Freedom they would have chose no other Soveraign than my self Abafti That I confess I am ignorant of and it may be you 'll find it no easie matter to prove Teckely I perceive then you are unacquainted with what happen'd at the Attack of General Heusler's Army and that being only a Titular Prince as you are they take no great care to instruct you in your own Affairs You are to understand that as soon as we came to blows the Militia of Transylvania kill'd your Father's great Minister who commanded them in chief that they betook themselves to their heels without striking a blow and abandoned the Germans to the Fury of my Troops who almost cut them all to pieces After all this I leave you to judge whether I had not reason to say that if the Transylvanians have not elected me for their Prince it only proceeded from their not being at Liberty to do it Abafti What you have told me surprizes me extreamly and I am not able to divine the Reason The People I am sure had no occasion to complain of the Prince my Father since he always govern'd them with extraordinary prudence and dexterity I need not recount to you the several Artifices he made use of to deliver them from the slavery that threatned them He entertained the Emperour during those three years the War continued with the fairest promises in the World and underhand neglected no Measures or Expedients in order to avoid the falling under his power At last when it was necessary for him to submit to this Violence he expressed so much sorrow that it was evident he was more concerned at the Calamities of his People than his own particular Misfortunes Certain I am that the weight of these Troubles hasten'd his death And now would any Man in the World believe that the Transylvanians could prove such ungrateful Wretches as to prefer a Stranger before the Son of that Prince to whom they have such numerous Obligations Teckely I think 't is no wonder at all if the People forget the Respect they owe to the memory of Prince Abafti for you are not to expect Gratitude amongst the Mobb They seldom reflect on what is good and past 'T is only the present Scene of Affairs they considered Abafti But pray tell me what greater Advantages could they propose to themselves under your Government than they could expect to find under mine Teckely To say the truth they don't so much consider the Merits of the Prince himself as of the hand that advanced him They have ten times a greater Aversion to the Emperour than the Grand Seigneur and that is the reason why they will be always inclined to favour the Prince that is recommended to them by the latter If the Emperour had made choice of me and the Grand Seigneur had supported your Pretensions I don't question but they would have shown you the same favour they now express for me Abafti But why do they love the Grand Seignior better than the Emperour Teckely Because the first never troubles himself with their Religion whereas they fear all the ill usage in the World from the second FINIS Books printed for and are to be sold by R. 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