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A29665	A discovrse opening the natvre of that episcopacie, which is exercised in England wherein with all humility, are represented some considerations tending to the much desired peace, and long expected reformation, of this our mother church / by the Right Honourable Robert Lord Brooke.	Brooke, Robert Greville, Baron, 1607-1643.	1641 (1641)	Wing B4911; ESTC R17972	85,248	148

not long before he shew'd his Ends. Turne your Eye but a little about and you shall see an Emperour stand barefoote at his G●ute Here One kneeles to kisse That foote that spu●●●●th off His Crowne There one holds the stir●up while that Proud Bishop steps up into the saddle And have not our Bishops the same Designes with their Holy Father Even to free themselves from all Power and ●● bring all things under their owne Power What meaneth of his Maxime of Episcopacie that a Clergie man cannot fall under the Execution of a Civill Magistrate Except they first degrade him which they may refuse to doe as long as they please Is not This to Exempt themselves from all Civill Jurisdiction What is the sense of This that for breach of Their Church Injunctions they may Excommunicate people Ministers Lords Kings themselves whom they please But shortly This to reduce all men Even Princes as well as others to plenary Obedience to themselves And when Once They have passed that sentence on their Soveraigne at their owne fancie I doubt not but some of Them would be ready to receive the Crowne from their kneeling Prince as of old If any King would againe so farre forget himsel●e and lay his Glory in the dust to be trampled on by such proud insulting Prelates Which God forbid Their Insolent Words and Actions vented lately against the Crowne are very sutable to these Principles Some of themselves in open Court of Judicature have dirst to affirme They were beholding to none but Christ for the place they held Others of Them and Their Creatures have said They are under no Law of man Some have preached point blanck that Their standing did not at all depend on the Crowne Others have flatly denied the King to be Head and Governour in Ecclesiasticall Causes over all persons though they cannot but know that This Title was given mainly to Exclude any other Earthly Head as it is Interpreted by Order of Parliament All of them Erect Episcopall Courts send out Summons Exercise Jurisdiction Sentence Fine Imprison doe what they list in their Owne name Though All the Bishops put together Vis unita est fortior da●e not to do so for the High Inquisition had a Commission under the Broad Seale and yet Every particular Bishop Exerciseth Jurisdiction under their owne seale by their owne power in their owne name without any Commission directly against Statute by which they all incurre a Praemunire Indeed they have learnt to faune upon Princes and would make them beleeve all This is for their Honour and Advantage yet they are but Impostors This is but to stroake the Horse as the Proverb is till they are well up in the Saddle for at That they aime and thither would they come which God forbid I could heartily wish the Kings of the Earth would be pleased to read Master Broughtons Epistle in his Refining the Roman Fox Or Ni●hol de Clemengiis in his Excellent peece de Corrupto Ecclesiae Statu Or that Noble Learned Lords incomparable Mysterium Iniquitatis presented to Our Late Learned Soveraigne King Iames though in some late Prints It hath beene refined by an English-Romish Index Expurgatorius yet It will still with the other represent the sleights of this kinde of Episcopacie in such lively Colours that I beleeve no Prince would trust them againe I neede not goe farre to seeke instances that may fully represent how much Our Bishops have in all ages promoted the Weale Peace and Honour of This Kingdome and Cowne For their Treasons against the State and King want not a Register I could briefely present you with a true Emblem of Episcopacie ab ovo ad malum and yet not goe higher than the Conquerour Lanfranck would have conquered the Conquerour and by gentle insinuations have perswaded him to submit his Scepter to the Triple Miter but Etiamsi suasit non persuasit Art could not prevaile and therefore Anselm went more rudely to worke Though Rufus forbad him yet with many thankes and much honour from the Pope he went to Rome for his Pall. After he had oftentimes bearded the King in many matters he succeeded so well that he attempts the same against the First Henry and left not till he had caused the Scepter to bow and the Crowne to totter In Stephens time Two Great Prelates dispute about Precedencie and at last passing by the King they call the Pope to be Moderator B●ckets heights are well knowne and scarce parallel'd in amy Story Onely as Henry the second that Great Prince did suffer sore stripes here so did the Duke of Thoulouse in France for joyning with the Albigenses That was done by a Pope This by a Bishop King Iohn fell with his whole Kingdome under an Interdict for some quarrell betwixt himselfe and Two or Three Prelates nor could he buy or begge his peace but on his knees resigning his Crowne ●o proud Pandulph In Edward the seconds time Gaveston was much abetted by Coventry in this a Traitor to his Countrey What prankes Winchester plaid with Edward the First Stratford with Edward the Third and with the second Richard Norwich was touch the ●ore Henry the fourth was ill handled by Yorke that waged warre with him at the same time Arandell vow'd he would not leave a slip of that Religion which then he saw Dawning in England In Henry the sixts time Yorke● Quarrell with W●●chester lost all that England had gaine● from France at last Yorke sides with Warwick against the King Edward the fourth had little r●●rse no pardon the new Arch-Bishop Ely ended better then he beganne but it was per accidens for first he perswaded Buckingham to claime the Crowne but He refusing at least not daring to stirre for himselfe sets him on Richmond the true Heire But you will say These were all Papists and lived in the dark times of Popery True and were not Their Soveraignes such also were not Kings and Bishops of one Religion then Are they more now hath a Protestant Prince now more reason to trust a Protestant Prelate than a Popish King a Popish Bishop Let all the world judge Seeing in Those times it was no difference in Religion But Malignance against Civill Government that produced Th●se Commotions in Those Bishops But since the Pope and Popish Religion is confessed to be the Cause of all those Treasons and Rebellions what if I prove Prelacie and Popery to be the same in re and onely to differ in name This we stall Essay anon In the meane time It is worth considering whether Our Prelates be not more like to s●de with the Pope against a Protestant then Popish Prince I will over-looke the darke times of Popery Let us beginne with the Reformation which yet could hardly have entrance for that strong Opposition the Prelates still made Alas what Commotions have they still raised in Scotland ever since the Reformation Wee have felt what Our Parents onely saw They Eate at least suffered a soure

more it is opposed it shines the brighter so that now to stint it is to resist an enlightened enflamed Multitude which still was and still will be Durissima Provincia Their mad outrage in all the three Kingdomes of late hath so incensed the Common People that in all mens eyes they are become most vile and while all men reflect on their constant trade of mischeivous practices the wisest begin to conclude The very Calling hurt the Men as much as These disgrace the Calling Thus we have by too too long great and sad experience found it true That our Prelates have beene so farre from preventing Divisions that they have been the Parents and Patrons of most Errors Heresies Sects and Schismes that now disturbe This Church and State SECT II. CHAP. VII BUt it may bee the Remedy will yet bee worse than this Disease Let us therefore yet more exactly weigh all the Inconveniences that may attend the Change of This Church-Government which wee now dispute The Dangers which some have fancied may hence accrew to the State have beene discussed in the former Section to which more properly they doe belong We have here only to consider such Evils as may have bad influence into the Church and Polity thereof Arminianisme Socinianisme Superstition Idolatry Popery will pack away with Them being Their Attendants as was shewed before What is there then to be feared Anabaptisme Brownisme Separatisme nay every body every Lay man will turne Preacher Suppose all This be true which can be but supposed Would it not bee much better to hazzard the comming in of all These than still to suffer our soules and bodies to be groun'd to powder by these Tyrannicall Antichristian Prelates that under pretence of keeping out Separatisme introduce downe-right Popery and a sinck of almost all Errors and Heresies Yea and these Errors of the Right Hand which These pretend so much to oppose owe their birth to our Bishops also as was but now and might yet more fully be cleered Wee all know that within these ten yeares all the Non-Conformists in England could not amount to more than one or two hundred And now how many thousands there bee yea of such that rise one pin higher than Old Non-Conformity Themselves perhaps know much better than I Yet our Bishops never were more active than in all this time Whence then ariseth this New Non-Conformity or Separatisme but out of our Bishops Commotions I will not say as the Fathers did of old Ex martyrum sanguine pullulat Ecclesia yet I must confesse I begin to think there may bee perhaps somewhat more of God in these which they call new Schismes than appeares at first glympse I will not I cannot take on mee to defend That men usually call Anabaptisme Yet I conceive that Sect is Twofold Some of them hold Freewill Community of all things deny Magistracy and refuse to Baptize their Children These truly are such Hereticks or Atheists that I question whether any Divine should honour them so much as to dispute with them much rather sure should Alexanders sword determine here as of old at the Gordian knot where it acquired this Motto Que solvere non possum dissecabo There is another sort of them who only deny Baptisme to their Children till they come to yeares of discretion and then they baptize them but in other things they agree with the Church of England Truly These men are much to bee pitied And I could heartily wish That before they bee stigmatiz'd with that oppr●brious brand of Schismatick the Truth might be cleered to them For I conceive to those that hold wee may goe no farther than Scripture for Doctrine or Discipline it may bee very easie to erre in this Point now in hand since the Scripture seemes not to have cleerly determined This particular The Analogy which Baptisme now hath with Circumcision in the old Law is a fine Rhetoricall Argument to illustrate a Point well proved before but I somewhat doubt whether it be proofe enough for that which some would prove by it since beside the vast difference in the Ordinances the persons to bee Circumcised are stated by a positive Law so expresse that it leaves no place for scruple but it is farre otherwise in Baptisme Where all the designation of Persons fit to bee partakers for ought I know is only Such as beleeve For this is the qualification that with exactest search I find the Scripture require in persons to be baptized And This it seemes to require in all such persons Now how Infants can bee properly said to beleeve I am not yet fully resolved Yet many things prevaile very much with mee in this point First For ought I could ever learne It was the constant custome of the purest and most Primitive Church to baptize Infants of beleeving Parents For I could never finde the beginning and first Rise of this practice Whereas it is very easie to track Heresies to their first Rising up and setting soot in the Church Againe I finde all Churches even the most strict have generally beene of this judgement and practice yea though there have beene in all ages some that much affected novelty and had parts enough to discusse and cleere what they thought good to preach yet was this scarce ever questioned by men of Note till within these Last Ages And sure the constant judgement of the Churches of Christ is much to be honoured and heard in all things that contradict not Scripture Nor can I well cleere that of St. Paul 1 Cor. 7.14 Else were your Children Vncleane but now are they Holy I know some interpret it thus If it be unlawfull for a beleever to live in wedlock with one that beleeveth not Then have many of you lived a long time in unlawfull marriage and so your very Children must be Illegitimate and these also must be cast off as Base-borne But it is not so for Your Children are Holy that is Legitimate I confesse This seemes a very faire Interpretation yet I much question Whether This be all the Apostle meanes by that phrase Holy especially when I reflect on the preceding words The Vnbeleever is Sanctified by the Beleever Nor yet can I beleeve any Inherent Holinesse is here meant but rather That Relative Church-Holinesse which makes a man capable of admission to Holy Ordinances and so to Baptisme yea and to the Lords Supper also for ought I see except perhaps Infants be excluded from This Sacrament by That Text Let him that eateth Examine himselfe aod so let him eat As Women are excluded from Church-Government and preaching in Congregations by That of the same Apostle I permit not a Woman to speak Let Women keep silence The second thing we feare so much is Separation or as some tearme it Brownisme for I am not so well studied in these as to give an exact difference betweene them or properly to state or phrase either Yet I thinke this also hath Latitude and admits of difference Before you