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A64753 The reports and arguments of that learned judge Sir John Vaughan Kt. late chief justice of His Majesties court of Common Pleas being all of them special cases and many wherein he pronounced the resolution of the whole court of common pleas ; at the time he was chief justice there / published by his son Edward Vaughan, Esq. England and Wales. Court of Common Pleas.; Vaughan, John, Sir, 1603-1674.; Vaughan, Edward, d. 1688. 1677 (1677) Wing V130; ESTC R716 370,241 492

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Mothers But if a fiction could make a natural Subject he hath two natural Princes one where he was born and the other where naturalized 3. If one naturalized in Ireland should in law make him naturally born there then one naturalized in Scotland after the Vnion should make him naturally born there consequently inheritable in England which is not contended 4. A naturalized person in a Dominion belonging to England is both the King 's Subject when he is King of England and inheritable in that his Dominion when naturaliz'd So the Antenati of Scotland are the King of England's Subjects when he is King of England and inheritable in that Dominion of his yet cannot inherit in England and being his Subjects before doth not make them less his Subjects when King of England Or if it did Nicholas Ramsey before he was naturalized in Ireland and became there a Subject to the King of England was a Subject in Scotland of the Kings There are four ways by which men born out of England may inherit in England besides by the Statute of Edward the Third De Natis ultra Mare 1. If they be born in any Dominion of the Kings when he is actually King of England 2. If they be made inheritable by Act of Parliament in England as by naturalization there 3. If they be born Subjects to a Prince holding his Kingdom or Territories as Homager and Liegeman to the King of England Calvins Case f. 21. b. during the time of his being Homager So the Welch were inheritable in England before 12 Ed. 1. though Subjects to the Princes of Wales who were Homagers to the King of England So were the Scotch in Edward the First 's time during the King of Scotlands Homage to him and to other Kings of England as long as it continued And that is the reason of the Case in 14. of Eliz. in the Lord Dyer Dyer 14 Eliz. f. 304. pl. 51. where a Scotch-man being arraign'd for a Rape of a Girl under Seven years of Age and praying his Tryal per medietatem Linguae because he was a Scot born it was denied him by the Opinion of the Iudges of both Benches for that among other reasons a Scot was never accounted an Alien here but rather a Subject So are the words of the Book But they did not consider that the Homage was determined then as it was consider'd after in Calvin's Case when only the Postnati of Scotland were admitted inheritable in England Vpon the same ground one Magdulph Subject to the King of Scots appeal'd from his Iudgment to Edward the First Pl. Parl. 21 E. 1. f. 152. 157. ut Superiori Domino Scotiae But this is to be understood where such Prince is Homager Subjectionis and not only Infeodationis for another King may hold of the King of England an Island or other Territory by Tenure and not be his Subject 4. If the King of England enter with his Army hostilly the Territories of another Prince and any be born within the places possessed by the Kings Army and consequently within his Protection such person is a Subject born to the King of England if from Parents Subjects and not Hostile 5 Eliz. Dyer f. 224. pl. 29. So was it resolved by the Iustices 5 Eliz. That one born in Tourney in France and conquered by Henry the Eighth being a Bastard between persons that were of the King's liegeance was enabled to purchase and implead within the Realm and was the same as if a French-man and French-woman should come into England and have a Son born there The like law if he had been born of French Parents in Tourney for it was part of the Dominions belonging to England pro tempore as Calice was Those under the King's Power as King of England in another Prince his Dominions are under his Laws Fleta l. 2. c. 3. 14 E. 1. King Edward the First being at Paris 14 E. 1. one Ingelram de Nogent stole silver Dishes in the King's House there and after dispute about his Tryal with the King of France and his Council he was convicted before the Steward of the King of England's House and executed though the Felony was done in France in Aliero Regno Fleta l. 2. c. 3. 12 E. 1. So Edmund de Murdak brought an Appeal in Gascoigne coram Seneschallo Hospitii Regis Angliae against one William de Lesnes of Robbery done to him 12 E. 1. infra metas Hospitii Regis infra quas invenit ipsum And the Defendant non potuit appellum illud per exceptionem alterius Regni declinare 1. Regularly who once was an Alien to England cannot be inheritable there but by Act of Parliament which is Common Experience But Ramsey was an Alien to England being Antenatus of Scotland and therefore cannot inherit here but by Act of Parliament If it be said there is an Exception to that viz. unless he be naturalized in Ireland that Exception must be well prov'd not suppos'd For the Question being Whether one naturalized in Ireland do thereby become as a Native of England must not be resolv'd by saying That he doth become as a Native of England otherwise it is prov'd only by begging the Question 2. The being no Alien in England belongs not to any made the King of Englands Subject by Act of Law when he is King of England but to such as are born so Natural legitimation respecteth actual Obedience to the Soveraign at the time of the birth Calvins Case f. 27. for the Antenati remain Aliens because they were born when there were several Kings of the several Kingdoms not because they are not by act of law afterwards become Subjects to the King of England by the Union of the Crowns But he that is naturaliz'd in Scotland or Ireland is not a Subject born to the King of England but made by a subsequent Act in law 3. And chiefly the manner of subjection of a Stranger naturaliz'd in Scotland or Ireland doth exactly agree with that of the Antenatus and not of the Postnatus For 1. The Antenatus was another Prince his Subject before he was the King of Englands 2. The Antenatus might have been an Enemy to England by a war between the several Kings before the Vnion So a Stranger naturalized in Scotland or Ireland was the natural Subject of some other Prince necessarily before he was naturaliz'd and then might have been an Enemy to the King of England by a war between his natural Soveraign and the King of England before he was naturalized But the Postnatus was never subject to any before he was the King of Englands nor ever in possibility of being an enemy to England both which are the properties of subjection in the native English Subject and is the reason why the Postnatus in England is as the Natives of England No fiction of Law can make a man a Natural Subject that is not for a Natural Subject and a Natural Prince are
Relatives and if an Act of Naturalization should thereby make a man a natural Subject the same Subject would have two natural Soveraigns one when he was born the other when naturalized which he can never have more then two Natural Fathers or two Natural Mothers except the Soveraigns be subordinate the Inferior holding his Kingdome as Liege Homager from the Superiour And perhaps in the Case of Severing the Kingdoms Calvins Case 27. as Sir Edward Coke saith Nor can an Act of Parliament in one place take away the natural subjection due to another Prince for want of power And the Law of England being That an Antenatus shall not inherit because an Alien without an Act of Parliament making him none The fiction of an Act in another Kingdom to which England never consented shall not alter the law here because he is made in Ireland as if born there If there were an Act of Parliament in England That persons naturalized in Ireland or Scotland should be no Aliens in England no man thinks that thereby Scotland or Ireland could naturalize a man in terminis in England But a man naturalized there would by consequent be naturalized in England because the law of England did warrant that consequent But to say That a man naturalized in Ireland is not directly naturalized in England but by consequent when the question is Whether one naturalized in Ireland be thereby naturalized in England is to beg for a proof that which is the question Therefore it must be first proved That there is a Law of England to warrant that consequent Inconveniences The Law of England is That no Alien can be naturalized but by Act of Parliament with the assent of the whole Nation 1. Now if this naturalization in Ireland should be effectual for England then a whole Nation should become Natives in England without Act of Parliament of what Country Religion or Manners soever they be by an Act of Ireland 2. If the Parliament of England should refuse to naturalize a number of men or Nation as dangerous or incommodious to the Kingdom yet they might be naturalized whether the Houses of Parliament would or not by an Act of Ireland 3. By this invention the King may naturalize in England without an Act of Parliament as well as he may Denizen for if the Parliament of Ireland enact That the King by Letters Patents shall naturalize in Ireland then they so naturalized in Ireland by Patent will be naturalized in England by consequent so they may enact the Deputy or Council of Ireland to naturalize 4. If an Alien hath Issue an Alien Son and the Father be denizen'd in England and after hath a Son born in England the Law hath been taken That the youngest Son shall inherit the Fathers Land Co. Litr. f. 8. a. Doct Stud. l. 1. Cr. 17 Jac. f. 539. Godfrey Dixons C. So is Sir Edward Coke Litr. f. 8. a. and other Books yet if the elder be naturaliz'd in Ireland the Estate which the youngest hath by the Law of England will be plucked from him Having thus opened the Inconveniences consequent to this Irish Naturalization the next is That Judges must judge according as the Law is not as it ought to be But then the Premisses must be clear out of the established Law and the Conclusion well deduc'd before great Inconveniences be admitted for Law But if Inconveniences necessarily follow out of the Law only the Parliament can cure them 1. I shall begin with the admitted Doctrine of Calvin's Case By that Case He that is born a Subject of the King of England in another Dominion than England is no Alien in England So the Scots born when the King of Scots was King of England are no Aliens those born before in Scotland are Therefore Nicholas Ramsey who is not born the Kings Subject of Ireland must be an Alien in England whose Law by the Rule of that Case makes only Subjects born and not made of another Dominion not to be Aliens in England 2. It is agreed to my hand That an Alien naturalized at this day in Scotland remains an Alien in England notwithstanding 3. By the Doctrine of Calvin's Case a natural born Subject to the Kings person of a Forraign Dominion is not priviledg'd in England from being an Alien else the Antenati of Scotland were priviledg'd for they are natural born Subjects to the Kings person as well as the Postnati 4. It stands not with the Resolution of that Case That the natural born Subjects of the Dominions belonging to the Crown of England qua such should be no Aliens in England which was the principal matter to have been discuss'd but was not in Calvin's Case and chiefly concerns the point in question The Case relied on to justifie the Iudgment in Calvins Case are several Authorities That the King of England's Subjects formerly were never accounted Aliens in England though they were all out of the Realm of England and many within the Realm of France But all these are admitted in that Case as most of them were Dominions belonging to the Crown of England and if so Of Normandy Brittain Aquitain Anjou Gascoigne Guien Calais Jersey and Gernsey Isle of Man Berwick and other Parts of Scotland Ireland Tourney c. What Inference could be made for the Resolution of Calvin's Case That because the Kings natural Subjects of Dominions belonging to the Crown of England as these did were no Aliens in England Therefore that Subjects of a Dominion not belonging to the Crown as the Postnati of Scotland are should be no Aliens in England Non sequitur Therefore it is for other reason then because natural Subjects of Dominions belonging to the Crown of England they were no Aliens by the meaning of that Resolution And the Adequate Reason being found out why they are not Aliens will determine the point in question 1. It was not because they were natural Subjects to him that was King of England for then the Antenati of Scotland would be no Aliens they being natural Subjects to him that is King of England as well as the Postnati 2. It was not because they were natural Subjects of Dominions belonging to the Crown of England for then the Postnati would be Aliens in England for they are not Subjects of a Dominion belonging to the Crown of England 3. It remains then the Reason can be no other but because they were born under the same Liegeance with the Subjects of England which is the direct reason of that Resolution in Calvins Case Calvins Case f. 18. b. a. The words are The time of the birth is of the essence of a Subject born for he cannot be a Subject to the King of England that is to be no Alien unless at the time of his birth he was under the Liegeance and Obedience of the King that is of England And that is the reason that Antenati in Scotland for that at the time of their birth they were not under the
of the Court if the name of the County be familiar to them as those of Wales are but not those of Ireland We must then look higher and search for surer Premisses than those late Awards of the Courts at Westminster to determine this Question And first it must be agreed That when Wales was a Kingdom or Territory governed by its own Laws and the people subject to a Prince peculiar to themselves immediately and not to the Crown of England no Process of any nature could issue thither from the Courts of England more than to any other Forreign Dominion that is not of the Dominion of England In which Assertion I neither do nor need affirm any thing Whether Wales were held from the Crown of England by Feodal Right or not and what sort of Liegeance the Princes of Wales and from what time did owe to the King of England For whatever that was yet Wales was governed by its own Laws and not bound by any Law made in England to bind them more than Scotland was when yet the King of Scotland did homage to the King of England for that very Kingdom of Scotland I begin then with the time that Wales came to be of the Dominion of the Crown of England and was obliged to such Laws as the Parliament of England would enact purposely to bind it This was not before the entire submission of Wales de alto basso as the words of the Statute of Rutland are to King E. 1. which a little in time preceded the making of those Laws for Wales called the Statute of Rutland Whether it was really a Statute by Parliament or concession of the King by his Charter for the future Government of Wales is not material for so at least it appears to be But by what transaction soever either of voluntary submission or partly by force of Arms it was effected it is evident that from that time Wales became absolutely of the Dominion of the Kingdom of England and not only of the Empire of the King of England as it might possibly have been for now Scotland is The words of the Statute of Rutland are Divina Providentia quae in sui dispositione non fallitur inter alia suae dispensationis munera quibus Nos Regnum Nostrum Angliae decorari dignata est terram Walliae cum incolis suis prius nobis jure feodali subjectam jam sui gratia in proprietatis nostrae Domin obstaculis quibuscunque cessantibus totaliter cum integritate convertir coronae regni praed tanquam partem corporis ejusdem annexit univit So as from this time it being of the Dominions of the English the Parliaments of England might make Courts to bind it but it was not immediately necessary it should but its former Laws excepting in point of Soveraignty might still obtain or such other as E. 1. should constitute to whom they had submitted and accordingly their Laws after their Submission were partly their Old Laws and partly New ordained by him Preamble Stat. Walliae Leges Consuetudines partium illarum hactenus usitatas coram nobis proceribus Regni nostri fecimus recitari quibus diligenter auditis plenius intellectis quasdam illarum de consilio procerum praedictorum delevimus quasdam permisimus quasdam correximus etiam quasdam alias adjiciendas faciendas decrevimus eas de caetero in terris Nostris in partibus illis perpetua firmitate teneri Observari volumus in forma subscripta Then follow the Ordinances appointing Writs Original and Judicial in many things varying from those of England and a particular manner of proceeding and a particular Justiciar to administer Justice and particular Chancery out of which the Writs for those parts were to issue So as though Wales became of the Dominion of England from that time yet the Courts of England had nothing to do with Administration of Justice there in other manners than now they have with the Western Islands Barbadoes St. Christophers Mevis New England which are of the Dominions of England and so is Ireland the Isles of Garnsey and Jersey at present all which may be bound by Laws made respectively for them by an English Parliament but all or most of them at present by Laws appointed and made by the King's Letters Patents and the King's Writs Original or Judicial from the Courts of Westminster go not there so anciently were Gascoign Guyen and Calais of the Dominions of England but governed by the Customes and Laws used there and out of the Jurisdiction of the Kings Courts And it is observable That these Territories of France were not held by the Crown of England by that right it had to all France as is much mistaken and particularly by Sir Edward Coke in Calvin's Case For those Territories by an Act and Conclusion of Peace made by E. 3. with the French which was ratified by the Parliaments of both Kingdoms those Territories were then annexed thereby to the Dominion of the Crown of England whereof I had a fair and ancient Copy from Mr. Selden but lost it by the fire And that Gascoign Guyen 2 R. 3. f. 12. and Calais were of the Dominions of England and Ireland appears by the Book 2 R. 3. f. 12. But to all Dominions of Acquisition to the Crown of England some Writs out of the King's Chancery have constantly run Sir Edward Coke in Calvin's Case Calvin's Case 7. Rep. f. 20. calleth them Brevia mandatoria non remedialia distinguishing Writs into Brevia mandatoria remedialia Brevia mandatoria non remedialia The first sort he saith never issue into Dominions belonging to England but not parts of it the other do More intelligibly it may be said That Writs in order to the particular Rights and Properties of the Subject which he calls Brevia mandatoria remedialia for this Writ is a Mandate issue not to Dominions that are no part of England but belonging to it For surely as they have their particular Laws so consequently they must have their particular Mandates or Writs in order to them And though their Laws should by accident be the same with those of England as hath happened to Ireland some times and now to Wales yet the Administration of them is not necessarily by and under the Jurisdiction of the Courts of England Brevia mandatoria non remedialia are Writs that concern not the particular Rights or Properties of the Subjects but the Government and Superintendency of the King Ne quid Respublica capiat detrimenti such are Writs for safe Conduct and protection Writs for Apprehension of persons in his Dominions of England and withdrawing to avoid the Law into other of his Dominions as he instances in such Writs to the Dominions of Gascoign viz. to the Major of Bourdeaux there to certifie concerning a person Outlaw'd in England if he were in Servitio Regis there of like nature are the Writs of
Act of Parliament of England no more than Wales Gernsey Jersey Barwick the English Plantations all which are Dominions belonging to the Realm of England though not within the Territorial Dominion or Realm of England but follow it and are a part of its Royalty Thirdly That distinct Kingdoms cannot be united but by mutual Acts of Parliament True if they be Kingdoms sui Juris and independent upon each other as England and Scotland cannot be united but by reciprocal Acts of Parliament So upon the Peace made after Edward the Third's war with France Gascoign Guien Calais were united and annext to the Crown of England by the Parliaments of both Nations which is a secret piece of Story and mistaken by Sir Edward Coke who took it as a part of the Conquest of France and by no other Title But Wales after the Conquest of it by Edward the First was annext to England Jure Proprietatis 12 Ed. 1. by the Statute of Ruthland only and after more really by 27 H. 8. 34. but at first received Laws from England as Ireland did but not proceeded by Writs out of the English Chancery but had a Chancery of his own as Ireland hath was not bound by the Laws of England unnamed until 27 H. 8. no more than Ireland now is Ireland in nothing differs from it but in having a Parliament Gratiâ Regis subject to the Parliament of England it might have had so if the King pleas'd but it was annext to England None doubts Ireland as conquer'd as it and as much subject to the Parliament of England if it please The Court was divided viz. The Chief Justice and Tyrrell for the Plaintiff Wylde and Archer for the Defendant Trin. 25 Car. II. C. B. Rot. 1488. Thomas Hill and Sarah his Wife are Plaintiffs Thomas Good Surrogat of Sir Timothy Baldwyn Knight Doctor of Laws and Official of the Reverend Father in God Herbert Bishop of Hereford is Defendant In a Prohibition THE Plaintiffs who prosecute as well for the King as themselves set forth That all Pleas and Civil Transactions and the Exposition and Construction of all Statutes and all Penalties for the breach of them pertain only to the King and his Crown Then set forth the time of making the Act of 32 H. 8. c. 38. and the Act it self at large and that thereby it was enacted That from the time limited by the Act no Reservation or Prohibition Gods Law excepted should trouble or impeach any marriage without the Levitical Degrees And that no person shall be admitted after the time limited by the Act in any the Spiritual Courts within this Kingdom to any Process Plea or Allegation contrary to the Act. They set forth That after the making of the said Act and the time thereby limited the Plaintiffs being lawful persons to contract marriage and not prohibited by Gods Law and being persons without the Levitical Degrees the Twentieth day of September in the Four and twentieth year of the King at Lemster in the County of Hereford contracted matrimony in the face of the Church and the same consummated and solemninized with carnal knowledge and fruit of Children at Lemster aforesaid That by reason thereof the said Marriage is good and lawful and ought not to be null'd in Court Christian That notwithstanding the Defendant praemissorum non ignarus fraudulently intending to grieve and oppress the Plaintiffs unduly draws them into question before him in the Court Christian for an unlawful marriage as made within the Degrees prohibited by Gods Laws and there falso caute subdole libelling and supposing that whereas by the Laws and Canons Ecclesiastical of this Kingdom it is ordained That none should contract matrimony within the Degrees prohibited by Gods Law and expressed in a certain Table set forth by Publique Authority Anno 1563. and that all marriages so contracted should be esteemed incestuous and unlawful and therefore should be dissolved as void from the beginning And also That whereas by a certain Act of Parliament made and published in the Eight and twentieth year of King Henry the Eighth It is enacted That no person or persons subject or residing within the Realm of England or within the Kings Dominions should marry within the Degrees recited in the said Act upon any pretence whatsoever And That whereas the said Thomas Hill had taken to wife one Elizabeth Clark and for several years cohabited with her as man and wife and had carnal kdowledge of her He the said Thomas notwithstanding after the death of the said Elizabeth had married with and took to wife the said Sarah being the natural and lawful Sister of the said Elizabeth against the form of the said last mentioned Statute and them the said Thomas and Sarah had caus'd unjustly to appear before him in Court Christian to Answer touching the Premisses although the said marriage be lawful and according to Gods Law and without the Levitical Degrees And That although the Plaintiffs have for their discharge in the said Court Christian pleaded the said first recited Act yet the Defendant refuseth to admit the same but proceeds against them as for an incestuous marriage against the form of the Statute And that notwithstanding he was served with the Kings Writ of Prohibition to desist in that behalf in contempt of the King and to the Plaintiffs damage of One hundred pounds The Defendant denies any prosecution of the Plaintiffs contrary to the Kings Writ of Prohibition and thereupon Issue is joyn'd and demurrs upon the matter of the Declaration and prays a Consultation and the Plaintiffs joyn in Demurrer In the Argument upon Harrisons Case I said and still say That if granting Prohibitions to the Spiritual Courts in Cases of Matrimony were res integra now I saw no reason why we should grant them in any Case The matter being wholly of Ecclesiastick Conizance my Reasons were and are 1. Because in all times some marriages were lawful and others prohibited by Divine and Ecclesiastick Laws or Canons yet the Temporal Courts could not prohibit the impeaching of any marriage how lawful soever nor take notice of it 2. If by Act of Parliament anciently all marriages not prohibited by Gods Law or Canons of the Church had been declared lawful the Temporal Courts thereby had no power to prohibit the questioning of any marriage more than before for it had said no more than what the Law was and did say before such Act. So had it been enacted That all marriages should be lawful not prohibited by the Levitical Law the Church had retain'd the judging which were against the Levitical Law as they did when the unlawfulness was not confin'd only to the Levitical Law And the Question now concerning what are the Levitical Degrees whereof we assume the Conizance is but the same as the question would be concerning what marriages were prohibited in the Eighteenth of Leviticus For though such Acts of Parliaments had been yet they had given no new Iurisdiction or
Ne Exeat Regnum de Leproso amovendo de Apostata Capiendo ad quod damnum and Writs to call persons thence as hath been done before they had Burgesses to the Parliament of England And Writs of Error into all Dominions belonging to England lye upon the ultimate Iudgments there given into the Kings Courts of England to reverse Judgments or affirm which is the only Writ which concerns Right and Property between the Subjects that lies The Reasons are First for that without such Writ the Law appointed or permitted to such inferiour Dominion might be insensibly changed within it self without the assent of the Dominion Superiour Secondly Judgments might be then given to the disadvantage or lessening of the Superiority which cannot be reasonable or to make the Superiority to be only of the King not of the Crown of England as King James once would have it in the Case of Ireland ex relatione J. Selden mihi whom King James consulted in this Question The practice hath always been accordingly as is familiarly known by reversal or affirmance of Judgments given in the Kings Bench in Ireland in the Kings Bench here which is enough alone to prove the Law to be so to other subordinate Dominions 21 H. 7. f. 3. And it is as clear That Writs of Error did lye in the Kings Bench to reverse Judgments in Calais and the reason is alike per Curiam for which were divers Presidents This being the state of Wales when it first became an Accession to the Dominion of England under E. 1. and when it was far from the Jurisdiction of the Courts of Justice in England as before it was added to the Dominion of the Crown of England And as other Dominions added to it were 7 H. 4. f. 14. it was questioned only Whether a Protection quia moratur in obsequio nostro in Wallia were good because saith the Book it is within the Realm of England it may be as in the Case of Bastardy the Husband being infra quatuor maria which doubtless was the Isle of Brittain so the Primacy of Bishops in Scotland and Wales was that of England Qu. about this but that gives no Jurisdiction to the Courts There were two ways by which alteration might be wrought The first by Act of Parliament in England making Laws to change either the Laws or Jurisdictions of Wales or both The second by Alterations made in the Laws formerly by him established by E. 1. himself and perhaps by his Successors Kings of England without Parliament by a Clause contained in the Close of that Statute or Ordinance called Statutum Walliae in these words Et ideo vobis Mandamus quod premissa de caetero in omnibus observetis ita tantum quod quotiescunque quandocunque ubicunque nobis placuerit possimus predicta Statuta eorum partes singulas declarare interpretari addere sive diminuere pro nostrae libito voluntatis prout securitati nostrae terrae nostrae predictae viderimus expediri This seems to extend but to the person of E. 1. and not to his Successors and however no such change was made by Him or his Successors But the first remarkable Alteration made seems to have been by Act of Parliament and probably in the time of E. 1. who reigned long after the Statute of Wales but the Act it self is no where extant that I could learn But great Evidence that such there was which in some measure gave a Jurisdiction to the Kings Courts of England in Wales not generally but over the Lordships Marchers there This appears clearly by a Case Fitz. Ass 18 E. 2. pl. 382. not much noted nor cited by any that I know to this purpose being out of the printed Year-Books but printed by Fitz-herbert out of the Reports he had of E. 2. as he had of E. 1. and H. 3. all which we want wholly though some Copies are extant of E. 2. which Case is the only light that I know to clear the Question in hand An Assise of Novel Disseisin was brought against C. de libero tenemento in Gowre and the Writ was directed to the Sheriff of Glocester and the Plaint was made of two Commots which is mis-printed Commons and comprehends all Gouers-land now part of the County of Glamorgan by 27 H. 8. but was not so then the Assise past against the Tenant before the Iustice assigned to take Assises in the Marches of Wales The Tenant brought his Writ of Error and Assignes for Error 1. That the Writ was directed to the Sheriff of Glocester and the Land put in view was in Wales 2 That the Land was out of the Power and Bayliwick of the Sheriff of Glocester 3 That the Assise ought to be taken in the County where the Land lies and that Goures-land was in no County 4 That the Writ was de libero tenemento in villa sive Hamletto de Gouerse and Gouer was no Village or Hamlet but an entire Country consisting of two Commots To these Errors assigned Scroope then Chief Justice made Answer 1. That Gower is a great Barony in the Marches of Wales and That every Barony of the Marches hath a Chancellor and its own Writs whereby one Tenant wronged by another may be righted But when the Lord is outed of his intire Barony he can have no remedy by his own Writ for he is outed of all his Jurisdiction And it is repugnant to demand Iustice of him whose Iurisdiction is questioned that is to give it ut mihi videtur That therefore it was ordained by Parliament when the Baron or Marcher is outed of his Barony in the Marches of Wales he ought to go to the King for Remedy and have a Writ in the Kings Chancery directed to the Sheriff of the next English County and the Sheriff of Glocester served the Writ as being the next English Sheriff This being the most material the other Errors were also answered and the Judgment was affirmed From this Case we may learn and from no other as I believe at least with so much clearness That the Summons of Inhabitants in Wales and the tryal of an Issue there arising should be by the Sheriff of and in the next adjoyning English County was first ordained by Parliament though the Act be not extant now nor is it conceived how it should be otherwise it being an empty Opinion that it was by the Common Law as is touched in several Books who knew the practice but were strangers to the reasons of it For if the Law had been that an Issue arising out of the Jurisdiction of the Courts of England should be tryed in that County of England next to the place where the Issue did arise not only any Issue arising in any the Dominions of England out of the Realm might be tryed in England by that rule but any Issue arising in any Forreign parts as France Holland Scotland or elsewhere that were not of the Dominions of England might pari