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A35922 A dialogue betwixt Whig and Tory, aliàs Williamite and Jacobite Wherein the principles and practices of each party are fairly and impartially stated; that thereby mistakes and prejudices may be removed from amongst us, and all those who prefer English liberty, and Protestant religion, to French slavery and popery, may be inform'd how to choose fit and proper instruments for our preservation in these times of danger. Defoe, Daniel, 1661?-1731, attributed name.; Overton, Benjamin, attributed name. 1693 (1693) Wing D1361; ESTC R229679 34,923 48

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shewed to you Tories in spight of all your apparent Hatred of his Person as well as your profess'd Dislike of his Title and Government and the Aversion he hath shew'd to the Whigs and Contempt of all their Advances and Addresses hath begotten ugly Reasonings in jealous and prying Men as if there were a Biass towards the Principles of former Governments rather than to those this Government declar'd for and set up upon And even the wise and well meaning Tories begin once again to smell a T d when you hold it so near their Noses But come proceed Tory. You are likewise accus'd of being wedded to a Party and by that means will reduce his Majesty to be King of a Faction only of his Subjects Whig This will appear much otherwise if you will please to remember who brought in the E. of N. to be Secretary of State and many others of that Party and how few of your Faction were displac'd by the Whigs when they had Interest with the King But this Charge will appear most foully true upon you who by the basest Ingratitude and Villany fell upon undermining those who brought you into the Government the minute you were possess'd of the King's Ear. And yet you see notwithstanding all your barbarous Treatment of us We have always come in chearfully to all Votes for Money all Loans and all other Measures to support your Credit and the Common Interest till both are fallen so low that the Peoples Clamours were never so loud nor their Dissatisfactions never so great You like Solomon's Harlot are for tearing the Government asunder if you may not have the Possession of it We have shew'd on the other hand true Motherly-Tenderness and consented rather that it should remain in your Possession entirely than be torn in pieces betwixt us till it appear'd to all the World what a vile Step-Mother you have been and how you have starv'd and abus'd a Government worthy your most indulgent Tenderness and Care And yet I am not for refusing any Tory that gives Proof of his sincere Repentance and of a Love to his Country but with all my Heart would give my share of the fatted Calf to make the returning Prodigal welcome tho I cannot but think it reasonable that you should submissively seek the Government and not the Government submissively seek you that you should own your Sin against Heaven and against your Country and give Security of another course of Life for the future and not justify your Faults and persevere in them If I could see amongst any of you the least Consideration for the common Good and Benefit of Mankind and the universal Welfare of your Fellow-Creatures to which you are bound by the Law of God and the Law of Nature and to which all the Heathens who were not barbarous paid a most profound Reverence and Obedience and preferr'd to all private Interest to Wives Children Estate nay to Life it self If I can find any amongst you a Lover of his Country a sincere Supporter of the Laws Liberties and Interest of the English Nation I am as much his Servant tho he be a N a C or a R as if he were a S a R a S or a T But instead of shewing any Regard to the Interest of the Nation any Bowels for your Country any Self-denial in point of private Interest Have you not sold your Country and their Birth-rights upon all occasions like Esau for a Mess of Pottage Have not some of you put off Human Nature Human Reason and all common Honesty so far as to conspire to bring in a French Power to gratify your private and personal Piques To bring in Popery and Slavery to rule over you because you cannot Tyrannically rule over your Fellow-Subjects Remember what the Presbyterians got by being so active in restoring the two late Popish Kings hoping to be reveng'd thereby upon the Independents and other Dissenters Were they not mingled in the same Persecution with the others nay more oppress'd and mark'd out for Wrath as being more numerous and more considerable than any other Sect Just so must the Church and their Proselytes expect to fare from the Hands of their Popish Friends whose Cause they are so zealously propagating they may admit them to the Honour of being the Cat's-foot but not a bit of the Chesnut No Whig no Fanatick but will then have as fair Quarter at least from King Lewis as you for King Iames I take to be only a Cypher and Property to your French Lord and Master who when he hath finished his Work will finish his Life too And do you Iure Divino you truly Loyal Gentlemen think that you will find more Favour then for being more attach'd to King Iames's Interest No be assured the most inveterate Enemies of King Iames will meet with as favourable a Treatment at least as you who have professed your selves so violently enamour'd of King Iames's Person and of the right Line Reflect a little upon the King of France's Conduct at the time of the late Revolution He knew long before the Prince of Orange's design of making a Descent into England and could have prevented it a thousand ways but instead of that he writes to Barillon then his Ambassador in England to know in what Condition King Iames was to oppose the Prince's Forces He being a Foreigner and judging only by outward Appearances represents the Army of King Iames sufficiently powerful to resist what Force the Prince of Orange could bring whereupon the French King believing that the English and Dutch would by this means weaken and destroy one another and leave a fair Game for him the next Year against the Emperor and Flanders and to take away all Apprehension from the Dutch of their needing an Army for their own Defence and to give all Encouragement to their Design upon England he draws all his Troops from the side of Flanders and falls upon Philipsburg which Army if he had marched towards the Spanish Frontiers in Flanders the Dutch durst not have transported a Man and the whole Design of the Descent had been at an end From hence it is plain what Friendship the French King had for his dear Brother King Iames and what you may expect from this Man of Honour and good Nature when you have serv'd his Turn Come grow wise and honest and let us not divide under this or that Ministry under this or that Faction or Party but let us all unite against the common Enemy let us make the Publick Interest and the Support of the Government as it is established by Law our chief and only Aim and for all Projectors and Conspirators whether for a Commonwealth a French Tyranny or any other Tyranny I wish they were all hang'd on the same Tree the first for Fools the others for Miscreants and Villains And thus much and no more am I for being wedded to a Party Tory. I own you have told us a fair Tale but nothing is
of your Government and restore it to perfect Health You must make use of Alteratives too there must be a Change of Measures as well as a Discharge of Men And the Method I would humbly offer is this First To make the Interest of England your chief Design and Aim and since You are an English King to become entirely an English Man England is a Nation jealous of Rivals in her Prince's Favour and thinks her self deserving of all his Care and all his Caresses If the People of England think You have a favourable Opinion of them they will endeavour to deserve it if not they may perhaps deserve your worst Opinion too This Humour of the Nation Queen Elizabeth found early and apply'd her self so happily to it as by this single Point to master all her Difficulties the greatest it may be that ever Prince had to struggle with whereas her Successors by contrary Measures brought themselves into very unfortunate Circumstances In the next place Sir let me desire You to avoid concerning your Self in Elections of Members in Parliament or influencing them when chosen the Parliament is a sacred part of the English Constitution and like the Israelites Ark of old is not to be touch'd profanely but with great Danger to those who touch it so And therefore Sir it will be your true Interest to leave the People free to their Choice and to leave the Members free to their Opinions when they are chosen It is still-fresh in our Memories how much the Practices of the late Reigns in corrupting Elections and Closeting the Members of Parliament enrag'd the Nation and they had reason to resent it for if for the sake of a Vote a Member of Parliament shall be placed in an Office of Trust he is not fit for this is destroying the Government two ways at once For to speak in the Phrase of the Ministry it is making a Parliament of Clouts and an Officer of Clouts at the same stroke Rejecting Bills offer'd by Parliament of publick Benefit and for the securing of our Antient Government and the Fundamental Rights of the Subject was highly displeasing to the Nation also in the late Reigns and will be so in all Reigns As was likewise the denying the People their undoubted Right of frequent Parliaments They had also in the late Governments an Invention to make a Pump of the Parliament and by pouring in a Pint of Water to fetch out a Tun This was justly most provoking to the Nation and treasur'd up Wrath against the Day of Wrath. The refusing of Bills and the Contempt of Addresses from the Parliament against Ministers or in any other cases hath likewise given great Offence in former Reigns For tho the House of Commons seconded by the House of Lords cannot reach the Life of Estate of any Person but by a full Proof in form of Law yet because it is so difficult a matter to come at such a Proof a Vote of the House of Commons against any Minister hath always been esteem'd by all Kings who were well with the People a sufficient Reason for the removing them from Court and I have heard that our King Henry the Fourth a Warlike and a Wise Prince upon an Address from the Parliament against some of his Ministers reply'd I know no Evil by these Men but if they are thought unfit by my Parliament for my Service I shall not think fit to continue them in it All these things Sir therefore are most carefully to be avoided by your Majesty They will appear with a worse Grace in You who have declar'd and made War against these Practices than in your Predecessors For as St. Paul says Thou who hast said Ye shall not commit Adultery dost thou commit Adultery Thou who hast said Ye shall not steal dost thou steal You must by no means Sir give this occasion of Clamour and Recrimination to your Enemies But be pleas'd to follow this General Rule always to beware of the Ministers and to avoid the Schemes and Counsels of K. Charles and K. Iames's Government and then You can scarce err For whatever is opposite to their Principles and Practices is the direct Road to your Security and Success In the next place Sir let Rewards and Punishments be duly and impartially distributed this is a Rule to which all Ages and Governments have paid the greatest Respect and Observance and to which the present Monarch of France does chiefly owe the Prosperity of his Affairs and without this Principle no Government can subsist Your Ministers who serve You well and faithfully must be distinguish'd from those who betray You or serve You carelesly and idely and not smil'd or frown'd upon as they are supported or persecuted by this or that Party or Faction And by the way Sir a Prince in England that rules according to the Laws and Interests of his People will never have occasion to make his Court to any Party or Faction nor can any Minister or any Party serve You against the Interest of the Nation Let your Souldiers be encourag'd and preferr'd according to their Bravery and Abilities without Favour or Affection The Bravest otherwise will follow the Example of Cowards if they find they have no Advantage over them by their Courage For all Men would be Cowards if they durst To an English Souldier a Smile or a kind Word is as acceptable at some times as a Month's Pay and if you will condescend to a Commendation of what they do well they will endeavour in the next occasion to exceed what they did before For if You are once Master of their Love Your are sure to have the Disposal of their Lives Nor need You fear to punish them severely provided You reward them bountifully Let the Insolence of your Enemies be rebuk'd and Rebels and Traitors to your Government be severely punish'd and not courted and caress'd for in the present State of Affairs all Mercy to your Enemies is Cruelty to your Self and Friends and it encourages your Enemies and disheartens your Loyal Subjects to see these Insolents brave the Government unpunish'd and to see your treacherous Ministers solliciting the Pardon of every condemn'd Traitor and making their Court to K. I. at the Price of your Safety is most provoking to every good Man Besides it looks like your having a Doubt of your own Right and Title to the Government to be thus backward in asserting it and is so interpreted by the Iacobites Intelligence is another Point of mighty Consequence and can scarce be purchas'd too dear For it is the Soul of Government and directs all its Actions properly and without it You consult in the dark and execute blindfold You know not what to act what to fear where to attack or where to defend I do not mean by this that we are to penetrate into the French King's Counsels or rifle his Cabinet that I am afraid is out of the reach of our Power and of our Purse But I cannot but think