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A61451	An apology for the ancient right and power of the bishops to sit and vote in parliaments ... with an answer to the reasons maintained by Dr. Burgesse and many others against the votes of bishops : a determination at Cambridge of the learned and reverend Dr. Davenant, B. of Salisbury, Englished : the speech in Parliament made by Dr. Williams, L. Archbishop of York, in defence of the bishops : two speeches spoken in the House of Lords by the Lord Viscount Newarke, 1641.	Stephens, Jeremiah, 1591-1665.; Davenant, John, ca. 1572-1641.; Williams, John, 1582-1650.; Newark, David Leslie, Baron, d. 1682.	1660 (1660)	Wing S5446; ESTC R18087	87,157	146

and a notorious offence of I. Pym to affirm as he did in his Speech in Parliament 4. Caroli That the high Commission was derived from the Parliament An impudent ignorant and seditious speech which if it had been spoken in the time of Henry the eighth when he recovered his Supremacy from the Pope the King would quickly have hanged or burnt him as he did many in his Reign upon that point of his Supremacy For though Parliaments may submit and acknowledge the Kings Supremacy yet they are not the Donors or Authors of it it is originally vested in the Crown and is a principal Flower thereof that cannot be denyed ot taken away from the King by any of their Votings or Ordinances And the King may again restore the Court of High Commission without the help of a Parliament and appoint such Judges and Commissioners as he shall think fit without direction or assistance from the House of Commons as the King doth appoint Judges in all other Courts without their consent and so may doe still in this Court Which is absolutely necessary to be done to suppresse the abominable and detestable increase of Sectaries and Schismaticks that are now risen up in this Inter-Regnum of the Kings Authority CHAP. IX The Example of the late warrs in Bohemia Germany France might well have forewarned us in England The Godly Covenant of Bohemia might well have given us Caution to take heed of a Covenant without the Kings consent The Church Lands taken away formerly are restored by the Emperour Grotius his Censure of the Presbyterians for raising Wars TO return again to our former matter of the separation of the Courts it is to be considered that the Courts being now divided in the Kingdome many hundred years since the ancient manner of their union is forgotten and unknown save only to the Learned and the scars of the Norman Conquest are so overgrown that few men are sensible what reliques of Slavery do still remain upon us by changing the order of the Courts the Language of the Law in great part with other things that I will not now mention But being so setled by the Conquerour and continued by his Successors the Temporal Courts in process of time grew too powerful for the Ecclesiastical and by their injunctions and prohibitions stopt many proceedings especially after the Councel of Clarendon under Hen. 2. Wherein the power of the Clergy was much abated and all Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction so crushed that it continued lame ever after Though the Clergy by appeals to Rome and the Popes Legats that were often sent hither did oftentimes help themselves and much molest their Adversaries At length under Hen. 8. upon his breach with the Pope the Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction was much abridged and restrained in many particulars and reduced to a narrow compass becoming much more subject and obnoxious to the Injunctions Orders and prohibitions of all the Temporal Courts that now I mervail that any should complain and envy at their power and greatness there being no cause of any value or moment but by one order or other is drawn from them to the Temporal Courts And now at last there want not some that would have all Ecclesiastical authority and jurisdiction either wholly suppressed from the first Court to the last or at least so abated mingled or changed that what form or force of Government shall be left remaining seems very uncertain But if Presbyteries and such like Consistories of the forraign and new fangled devising were erected there will follow great confusion and disorder to the infinite disturbance of peace and quietnesse in the Kingdome by alteration of so many laws and customes and of the Common Law it self whereby the Kingdome hath been governed so many years and setled in peace and all mens estates and Lands held in certain possession For such great and universal changes as will follow upon the dissolution of the Hierarchy and taking away the Votes of Bishops in Parliament and other eminent parts of Government will produce such ill events and troublesome distractions as will not be pacified and composed within the compass of any mans life now living And what further mischeif may follow is uncertain but surely great troubles are like to ensue as indeed it hath happened in a most lamentable manner But if our Nation could have taken warning by the example of the late wars that happened these last 40. years in France Germany and Bohemia they might have prevented much evil for there the Wars began by men of the same spirit and humours as our Presbyterians are among us and had the same ends and purposes as ours had which is to take away the Honours Lands and Revenues of Bishops and all that belonged to them The ill s●ccesse of their names might well have forewarned us if there had been men among us wise and knowing of the Histories of the present age When we saw the Flame and Smoke of ●he Bohemian War ascend to heaven in our sight in most hideous manner And in the end all the zealous party were utterly undone and confounded that began the war against the Emperor to take away the lands of all the Clergy Bishops Deans and Chapters c. Which they account to be the flesh of the Whore of Babylon and the bones of the old Whore that is of the Pope So Brightman and Pareus and other zealous men do interpret the Text Revel 17. 16. All the Lands of the Church and Revenues among which they reckon Tythes are the flesh of the Pope which they must e●●e and devour not Physice but Mystice saith Pareus in his Commentary For otherwise to eat the flesh of the Pope naturally being commonly an old man and perhaps full of Diseases would be no good meat or pleasing Diet But mystically to eat him that is to take away the lands revenues and riches of the Church will bring in profit and money that will provide better diet to feed upon then the body and flesh of an old Pope This Sacrilegious appetite and outragious covetousness to get the lands of the Church and Bishops proved very tragical to Bohemia and most parts of Germany And to shew a little their manner of proceeding I will digresse a little because it is so remarkable and fresh a Case within these last 40. years First therefore the Bohemians in the year 1619. assembled a Parliament without the Emperors Consent They raised a great army and put Garrisons also in all the best Towns and Castles They made a Godly Covenant consisting of an 100 articles just the same in Substance with our late Scottish Covenant they raised great Taxes and excise to maintain their armies and garrisons For two years they prevailed much and brought in a new King the Palsgrave but at the end of two years the Emperors great armies came upon them and fought the great Battle of Prague 8. Novemb. 1620. The Duke of Bavaria came with twelve thousand men and other great

Causes shall belong to the Ecclesiastical Courts CHAP. VIII Some Observations out of the Civil Law in the Empire concerning the separation of Courts and some also out of the ancient Statutes as Selden hath recited them Lord Cokes defence of the Bishops being in Parliament and of the Convocation and High Commission and other Ecclesiastical Courts CHAP. IX The example of the late wars in Bohemia and Germany and France with the ill successes thereof to the Protestants might well have forewarned us in England The goodly Covenant of Bohemia might well have given us Caution to take heed of a Covenant without the Kings consent The Church Lands taken anay formerly are restored by the Emperor in many parts of Germany The Censure of Grotius upon the Presbyterians for their raising of armes CHAP. X. The Division of the Courts in the Empire and the manner of proceeding in them by the Bishops and the Ecclesiastical Lawyers under them AN APOLOGIE FOR The BISHOPS To Sit and Vote in PARLIAMENTS CHAP. I. Concerning Government Ecclesiastical and Civil in the State of Nature from Adam till Moses which was about 2500 years The same person was both cheif Magistrate and also Priest unto God GOD had a Priesthood alwayes from the Beginning of the World to perform the duties of his Worship and the ●●ites thereof Adam was a Priest unto God to offer Sacrifice and to execute such duties as God required in his Service But Adam was also a King or Chief Ruler over all his Children and Posterity So after Adam Seth and the tighteous Patriarchs Enoch and others were Priests unto God as well as Princes and Magistrates and they taught Noah how to call upon God and how to serve him So Noah was also a Prince and also a Preacher of righteousnesse as the Apostle saith of him so that it was not incompatible or inconsistent for the same man to be a Magistrate Prince or Governour and also a Priest Melchisedech after the Flood was the first that was called a King and a Priest and so Christ is a King and a Priest after his order So that under the Law of Nature Kings were invested with a power Ecclesiasticall both of Order and Jurisdiction Therefore these things are not incompatible by Nature and thus it continued for the space of 2500. years from Adam till Moses Princes and Priests were formerly the same both Functions residing in the same person Majorum haec erat consuetudo saith Servius ut Rex esset etiam Sacerdos vel Pontifex unde hodie quoque Imperatores●Pontifices-dicimus They that had the managing of affairs of State had also the executing of Divine offices and so received divine and holy duties and oblations which use obtained in the Families of the old Patriarchs Thus the Learned Montague against Selden cap. 3. p. 537. Ante Legem datam ad primogenitos pertinebat-offerre sacrificia Levitae successerant loco eorum And again to the same purpose Cultus divinus ante legem datam pertinebat ad Primogenitos Israel And again Sacerdotium fuit annexum primogenitur ● usque ad legem datam per Mosem As Lyra says reporting the received judgements of the best Interpreters Lyra in Numb 3. 12. 8. 16. in Gen. 14. Veteribus ordinarium perpetuum fuit ut qui Reges essent iidem etiam sacerdotio fungerentur as Bertram says cap. ● De politia Iudaica The Priviledges which in the Law of Nature followed the Birth-right were these three First the Government or Principality Secondly the Priesthood Thirdly a Portion answerable to maintain these dignities The same light may appear though much darkned in the ancient Government of the Heathen for Heathen Kings are witnessed in old times to have been Priests of such Gods as they served which ancient combining of these two offices in one person came from the ancien● practise in the time of the Law of Nature and from the light of Nature was received among the Heathens Abraham was a Priest in his own Family and in several places of his Peregrination he built Altars and places where he did call upon God and perform all duties of Gods Worship then requisite Abraham did offer Sacrifice as appears Gen. 15 9. 22 7. 2 7 8. Abraham was a Prophet Gen. 20. 7. and received many promises from God especially concerning Christ to descend of him and God gave him the Sacrament of Circumcision and established his Covenant with him God saith of him Gen 18. 19. I know him that he will command his Children and his Houshold after him and they shall keep the way of the Lord to do justice and judgement c. And as Abraham did so likewise did Isaac and Iacob after him who built Altars unto God which was as much then as to build a Church in these dayes and to provide a Minister to preach and pray and administer the Sacraments and perform all other duties of a Pastor Hence it appears fully that in the time of Nature there was not two several jurisdictions one Ecclesiastical the other Civil as is now among us But the same persons discharged both Offices and all Duties belonging to them And further it appears that the priests being the first-born and chief men had such honourable respect and maintenance that they were not reckoned among the lowest of the people and made the off-scowring of all things as now they are If the Clergy may not enjoy any temporal office or dignity they will be crushed down and oppressed in all publick occasions as they find it manifestly in these troublesome times when the neighbours of every parish do impose all Taxes Burdens and Charges upon Ministers more then they formerly used to do or in reason can be allowed But the Clergy have no means to help themselves having none of their own tribe in authority power or place of judicature as formerly they had whereby they could help themselves and restrain the Lay-men from imposing Burdens and charges upon them in excessive manner It is easie to shew particular instances and one of many shall be mentioned When all the Judges of the Land about 20. years agoe had given their opinions and directions in writing upon particular doubts to Justices of peace incident to their offices one doubt was how much and in what proportion a Minister should be charged for Levies to the poor The Justices in the Country and the Neighbours of the parish would taxe the Glebes severally from the Tithes and so augment the Levy to a great proportion both for Glebe and Tythes But the Judges appointed in their answer that Glebe and Tithes should be both taxed together at a tenth part of the Levy in regard Tythes are abated much by small rares and much Land is discharged of Tythes in kind But now in these troubles the Committee-men and such like impose Taxes upon the Glebes severally and Tythes also imposing a sixth or seventh part of the Taxe upon the Tithes which is contrary to the resolution of

and Piety was fervent and abounded with good works of all kinds insomuch that they thought no honour or respect too much to be given to the Clergy especially to the reverend Fathers and Bishops of the prime order From what hath been said it is manifest that the Bishops were equal to the greatest persons and estates of the Kingdome and had their votes and suffrages for making laws and Constitutions for the first 500. years before the Conquest Whereby it appears that it is a very rash and ignorant assertion of the Examiner Dr. Burgesse That Bishops at first were but casually mounted to that height of extent and power by William the Conquerour the more to endear and oblige them And that it is onely of Grace that Bishops were first allowed place in Parliament And that they crept in by favour to serve a Conquerours turn and can derive no higher for sitting as now they do in the House of Peers then an Act of Parliament if so high Whereby it is manifest by all the Laws of the Saxon Kings both in the edition of Lambard and of the English Councels by Sir Henry Spelman that the Bishops were the principal men in all ages for ordaining of Laws and Consul●ations in all the great Assemblies of the Kingdome then in use And when matters in question were only Ecclesiasticall concerning the Church and Religion the Clergy sate by themselves but when there was any thing to be given and confirmed to the Church then the Kings and Nobles did afford their presence and assistance as appears by divers Councils Vide Concil Glocestriensiae pag. 230. CHAP. V. Concerning Barons and the Title thereof and how the Bishops became Barons being no addition of Honour to them but inforced upon them by the Conquerour and since continued to this day AS for the Title and Original of Barons and the old signification of the Word Selden in his Titles of Honor 2. part cap. 7. Especially Sir Henry Spelman in his learned Glossary upon the word Baro hath so accurately shewed divers particulars that I need not here repeat them But touching the Title and Name as it is now commonly used I will say something as it is now understood it came among us since the Conquest as the Glossary sheweth pag. 81. Ad Anglos pervenisse videtur vocabulum Baro vel cum ipsis Normanis vel cum Edwardus Confessor auras moresque imbibisset Normannicos Huntingtoniensis aevi sui vocabulum usurpans Histor. lib. 5. Adolwaldum qui occisus est An. Dom. 903 Baronem Regis Edwardi senioris vocat sed Author antiquior Florentius Wigorniensis eundem Ministrum Regis appellat quo etiam vocabulo scriptores ipsi Saxonici passim usi sunt So in the Saxon Councils and Charters divers great men who were no lesse then Thanes do style and subscribe themselves Ministros Regis as in the Charter of Edgar p. 486. Ego Oswald minister confirmavi Ego Elfwurde minister corroboravi And the like frequently occure These being the same in degree and substance as Barons are now whereof the Learned Glossary maketh three sorts Hodiernos itaque nostros Barones è triplici fonte triplices faciamus 1. Feodales seu praescriptitios qui a priscis feodalibus Baronibus oriundi suam hodie praescriptione tuentur dignitatem 2. Evocatos seu rescriptitios qui brevi Regio ad Parliamentum evocantur 3. Diplomaticos qui Regio Diplomate hoc fastigium ascendunt Feodalium originem inter eos collocavero quibus Willielmus senior Angliam totam dispertitus est de se tenendam quorumque nomina in Domesdei paginis recognovit Rescriptitios ab aevo Regum Iohannis Henrici tertii caput extulisse censeo Diplomaticos initium sumpsisse perhibent sub Richardo secundo qui anno Regni sui 8. 1. Christi 1387 Iohannem Beauchamp de Hall in Baronem de Kinderminster suo evexit diplomate Now the Bishops may be reckoned both as Feudal Barons in regard of their estates and Baronies annexed to their Bishopricks and also they are Evocati summoned by Writ as Barons and principal persons by the Kings to come unto Parliaments and also they are created by Patent which is presented to the Arch-bishop at their consecration But all the Feudal Barons were not summoned to Parliaments Quorum ingens erat multitudo quae plus minus 30000. nullo tecto convocari poterat William the Conquerour brought in Tenures inforcing all men of estates to hold by one Tenure or other and having made 30 thousand to hold by Barony yet he never called so many to a Parliament seeing no Houses could hold so many and as not all the Feudal Barons were called so not all the Abbots or Priors though they had great estates but a convenient number sometimes more and sometimes lesse as in 49. Hen. 3. Which is the first Parliament upon Record there were called to Parliament of the Clergy 102. besides five Deans saith Spelman Glossary pag. 4. Anno. 1. Edw. 2. there were 36. Abbots Anno. 4. Edw. 3. about 33. and all other times more or lesse Yet not so few as the Examiner relateth out of Sir Edward Cook pag. 33. who though he were a great Master of law yet in matters of Antiquity must yeild to the Author of the Glossary whom in private he would call his Tutor as well he might Cambden writing of the Degrees of States in England pag. 170. speaking of the Bishops by right and custome it appertained to them as to Peers of the Kingdome to be with the rest of the Peers personally present at all Parliaments whatsoever there to consult to handle to ordain decree and determine in regard of the Baronies which they hold of the King For William the first a thing which the Church-men of that time complained of but these in the age ensuing counted their greatest honour ordained Bishopricks and Abbeys which held Baronies in pure and perpetual almes and until that time were free from all secular service to be under Military or Knights Service enrolling every Bishoprick and Abbey at his will and pleasure and appointed how many Soldiers he would have every of them to find for him and his Successours in the time of Hostility and War Thus William the Conquerour being very rigorous imposed upon the Bishops and Abbots that held their estates by Barony great impositions to maintain arms horses and furniture for War enrolling them as he thought them able but it seems the lesser Abbeys that did not hold by that Tenure of Barony and Parish priests were not taxed as now they are But under the Saxons when the grievous imposition of Dangelt was imposed and raised from ten thousand pounds yearly to thirty thousand pounds and in the year 1012. to forty eight thousand pounds which was a great sum for that age when mony did not abound as it doth now yet the Church was then free De hoc Dangeldo libera quieta erat omnis Ecclesia qui● magis in Ecclesiae

more ought Lay-men neither for they have a calling and Vocation wherein they are to walk as ministers have they have wise and children and families to care for and they are not to neglect these to live upon Warrants and Recognizances to become a kind of Sir Francis Michel or an Ignotus nimis as Salomon calls it That place 2 Tim. 2. 4. No man that wars entangles himself with the affairs of this life will be found to be applied by all good Interpreters to Laymen as well as Church-men and under favour nothing at all to this pupose Besides that the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 doth point at a man that is so wholly taken up with the affairs of this life that he utterly neglects the offices and duties of a Christian man and so I leave that place as uncapable of any other exposition nor ever otherwise interpreted but by Popes Legars and Canonists that make a Nose of Waxe of every place of Scripture they touch upon But that men in holy orders ought not in a moderate manner together with the duties of their calling to help and assist in the Government of the Common-wealth if they be thereunto lawfully called by the Soveraign prince can never be proved by any good divinity For in the law of nature before the Deluge and a long time after it is a point that no man will deny me that the eldest of the Family was both the priest and the magistrate Then the people were taken out of Egypt by Moses and Aaron Moses and Aaron amongst his Priests as it is in the psalm Then there was a form of a Common-wealth fetcht from heaven indeed and planted upon the earth and Iudiciary laws dictated for the reiglement of the same Nor do I much care though some men shall say that persons in holy orders ought not to intermed●le in secular affairs when that great God of heaven and earth doth appoint them to intermeddle with all the principal affairs of that estate witnesse the exorbitant power of the High priest in secular matters the Sanedrim the 23. the Judges of the Gate which were the most of them Priests and Levites And the Church-men of that estate were not all Butchers and Slaughter-men For they had their Tabernacle their Synagogues their Prayers Preaching and other exercises of piety In a word we have Divinius but they had operosius ministerium as St Augustin speaketh Our Ministry takes up more of our thoughts but theirs took up more of their Labours and Industry Nor is it any matter that this Common-wealth is no more in being● in sufficeth it hath been once and that planted by God himself who would never have appointed persons in holy orders to intermeddle with things they ought not to intermedle withall I will go on with my Chronology of persons in holy orders and only put you in mind of Ely and Samuel amongst the Judges of Sadocks imployment under King David of Iehojadas under his Nephew King Ioash and would fain know what hurt those men in holy orders did by intermedling in secular affairs of that time Now we are returned from the Captivity of Babylon I desire you to look upon the whole race of the Macchabees even to Antigonus the last of them all taken prisoner by Pompey and crucified afterwards by Mark Anthony And shew me any one of those Princes a woman or two excepted that was not a Priest and a Magistrate We are now come to Christs time when me thinks I hear St. Paul in the 23. of the Acts excuse himself for reviling of the high priest I wist not Brethren that he was the high priest for it is written Thou shalt not speak evil of the Ruler of thy people Where observe that the word Ruler in the Greek is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the very same word that is used by St. Paul Rom. 13. 3. where this word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is translated by Peza Magistrates Then you must be pleased to imagine the Church asleep or almost dead under rersecution for almost 300. years until the happy days of the Emperor Constantine and not expect to find many Magistrates among the Christians Yet shall you find St. Paul 1 Cor. 6. 5. offend against this Bill and intermeddle knuckle-deep with secular affairs by inhibiting the Corintbians very sharply for their Chicanery their petty-foggery and Common battery in going to Law one with another Besides that as all learned men agree both the Apostles and Apostolical men that lived presently after them had a miraculous power of punishing exorbitant crimes which supplied the power of the ordinary Magistrate as appears in Ananias and Saphyra the incestuous Corinthian and many others But then from Constantines age till the Reformation begun by Luther Church-men were so usually imployed in managing of secular affairs that I shall confesse ingenuously that it was too much there lying an appeal from the Courts of the Empire to the Bishops judicatory as you shall find it every where in the Code of Iustinian So was it under Carolus Magnus and all the Carolovingian Line of our neighbour Country of France So and somewhat more it was with us in the Saxon Heptarchy the Bishop and the Sheriffe sitting together cheek by joule in their Towns and Courts But these exorbitant and vast imployments in secular affairs I stand not up to defend and therefore I will hasten to the Reformation Whereas Mr. Calvin in the Fourth Book of his Institutions and eleventh Distinction doth confesse that the holy men heretofore did refer their Controversies to the Bishop to avoid troubles in Law you shall find that from Luther to this present day in all the Fluxe of time in all Nations in all manner of Reformations persons in holy orders were thought fit to intermeddle with secular affairs Brentius was a privy Counsellour to his Duke and Prince Functius was a Privy Counsellour to the great Duke of Borussia as it is too notoriously known to those that are vers'd in Histories Calvin and Beza whilst they lived carried all the Council of the State of Geneva under their own Gowns Bancroft in his Survey cap. 26. observeth that they were of the Councel of State there which consisteth of threescore And I have my self known Abraham Sculteius a privy Councellour to the Prince Palatine Reverend Mousieur du Moulin for many years together a Councellour to the Princesse of Sedan His Brother in Law Mounsieur Rivel a great learned personage now in England of the Privy Councel of the Prince of Orange You all hear and I know much good by his former writings of a learned man called Mr. Henderson and most of your Lordships understand better then I what imployment he hath at this time in his kingdome And truly I do beleive that there is no reformed Church in the World setled and constituted by the State wherein it is held for a point in divinity that persons in holy orders ought not to intermeddle with secular affairs

of all the Clergy out of Temporal offices is a motion of the first impression and was never heard of in the English Common-wealth before this Bill I come in the third place to the main part of this cause the things to be severed from all men in holy orders which are as I told you of three kinds First matters of Freehold as the Bishops votes in parliament and Legislative power Secondly matters of favour as to be a Judge in Star-chamber to be a privy Counsellour to be a Justice of peace or a Commissioner in any Temporal affairs Thirdly and mixt matters of Freehold and Favour too as the Charters of some Bishops and many of the ancient Cathedrals of this Kingdome who allow them a Justice or two within themselves or their Close as they call it and exempt those grave and learned men from the rudenesse and insolency of Tapsters Brewers Inn-keepers Tailours and Shoomakers which do integrate and make up the bodies of our Country Cities and Incorporations And now is the Axe laid to the very root of the Ecclesiastical tree and without your Lordships justice and favour all the branches are to be lopt off quite with those later clauses and the Stock and root it self to be quite gr●bb'd and digged up by that first point of abolishing all Vote and Legislative power in all Clergy men leaving them to be no longer any part of the people of Rome but meer Slaves and Bondmen to all intents and purposes And the priests of England one degree inferiour to the priests of Ieroboam being to be accounted worse then the Tayle of the people Now I hope no English man will doubt but this Vote and Representation in Parliament is not only a freehold but the greatest freehold that any Subject in England or in all the Christian world can brag of at this day that we live under a King and are to be governed by his Laws that is not by his arbitrary Edicts or Rescripts but by such Laws confirmed by him and assented to by us either in our proper persons or in our Assignees and Representations This is the very Soul and Genius of Magna Charta and without this one spirit that great Statute is little lesse then Littera occidens a dead and uselesse peice of paper You heard it most truly opened unto you by a wise and judicious Peer of this House that legem patere quam ipse tuleris was a Motto wherein Alexander Severus had not more interest then every true born English man No forty shillings man in England but doth in person or Representation enjoy his freedome and liberty The prelates of this Kingdome as a Looking-glass and Representation of the Clergy have been in possession hereof these thousand years and upwards The princes of the Norman race for their own ends and to strengthen themselves with men and money erected the Bishopricks soon after the Conquest into Baronies and left them to sit in that House with their double capacities about them the later invented for the profit of the prince not excluding the former remaining always from the beginning for the profit and concernment of the poor Clergy Which appears not only by the Saxon Laws set forth by Mr. Lambard and Sir Henry Spelman but also by the Bishops Writs and Summons to parliament in use to this very day We have many preceedents upon the Rolls that in Vacancy of Episcopal Seas the Guardian of the Spirituals though but a simple priest hath been called to sit in this Honourable House by reason of that former Representation and such an officer I was my self over that Sea whereof I am Bishop some 25 years agoe and might then have been summoned by Writ unto this Honourable House at that very time by reason of the Spiritualty of that Diocesse which then as a simple priest I did by virtue of the aforesaid office represent And therefore most noble Lords look upon the Ark of God representative that in this time floates in great danger in this deluge of waters If there be any Cham or unclean Creature therein out with him and let every man bear his own Burthen but save the Ark for God and Christ Jesus his sake who hath built it in this Kingdome for saving of people and your Lordships are too wise to conceive that the Word and Sacraments the means of our Salvation will be ever effectually received from those ministers whose persons shall be so vilified and dejected as to be made no parcels or fragments of this Commonwealth No saith Gregory the last trick the Devil had in this world was this that wh●● he could not bring the word and Sacraments into disgrace by errors and Heretical opinions he invented this project and much applanded his wit therein by casting slight and contempt upon the preachers and ministers And my Noble Lords you are too wise to beleive what the Common people talk that we have a vote in the election of Knights and Burgesses and consequently some Figure and Representation in the Noble House of Commons They of the Ministry have no vote in these elections they have no Representation in that Honourable House and these contrary assertions are so slight and groundlesse as I will not offer to give them any answer And therefore right Honourable Lords have a special care of the Church of England your Mother in this point and as God hath made you the most noble of all the peers of the Christian World so do not you give way that our Nobility shall be taught henceforth as the Romans were in the time of the first and second Punick wars by their Slaves and Bond-men only and that the Church of God in this Island may come to be served by the most ignoble Ministers that ever have been seen in the Christian Church since the passion of our Saviour And so much for the first thing which this Bill intends to sever from persons in holy orders viz. votes representations in parliament The next thing to be severed from them by this Bill is of a much baser mettal and alloy sittings in Star Chamber sittings at Councel-Table sitting in Commissions of the peace and other Commissions of secular affairs which are such favours and graces of Christian princes as the Church may have a being and subsistence without them The Fortunes of our Greece do not depend upon these Spangles and the Soveraign prince hath imparted and withdrawn these kind of favours without the envy or regret of any wise Ecclesiastical persons But my Noble Lords this is the Case Our King hath by the Statute restored unto him the Head-ship of the Church of England and by the Word of God he is Custos utriusque Tabulae And will your Lordships allow this Ecclesiastical Head no Ecclesiastical Sences at all No Ecclesiastical person to be consulted withal not in any Circumstances of time and place If Cranm●r had been thus dealt withal in the minority of our young Iosias King Edward the sixth