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A12472	The doctrine of praier in generall for all men, that is, vniuersally for all mankind: Proued 1. By the true sence of the words if the Apostle 1. Tim 2. 2. By the reasons, why all men in that since should be praid for. 3. By the doctrine establishing such praier. 4. By the practises of churches, concerning that kind of praier. 5. By the obiections, ansuered. Against the position of those that say and preach, that all men are not to be praid for. By I. Smith, minister of Gods word at Reading.	Smith, John, minister at Reading.; Smith, John, 1563-1616.	1595 (1595)	STC 22797; ESTC S102599	80,671	127

THE DOCTRINE OF Praier in generall for All men that is vniuersally for All mankind Proued 1. By the true sence of the words of the Apostle 1. Tim. 2. 2. By the reasons why All men in that sence should be praid for 3. By the Doctrine establishing such Praier 4. By the practise of Churches concerning that kind of Praier 5. By the Obiections Answered Against the Position of those that say and preach that All men are not to be praid for By I. Smith Minister of Gods word at Reading Augusti de Catech. rudib Homines ergo bon●s imi●are malos ●olera omnes ama quoniam nescis quid eras futuru● sit qui bodie malu● est Imitate thou therefore good men the euill beare with and tollerat and loue all men For thou knowest not what he may be to morrow which to day is euill and wicked LONDON Printed by Adam Islip 1595. TO THE RIGHT HOnourable and most reuerend Father in God my L. Archbishop of Canturburie One of the Lords of hir Maiesties most Honourable priuie Counsell and Primate of all England WE haue held the course most reuerend Father by the good sufferance of our most mercifull and louing Creator in this Church of England among other most needfull and carefull sutes to the Lord our God in holy praier and calling vpon his name as for the establishing and cōfirming of his children in holy life so also for the conuersion of vnrighteous and sinners that is for iust and vniust for all mankind that in such our dutifull praiers so far foorth as we might obtaine the same of our mercifull Father his glorie might shine foorth and all nations might know the saluation of our God But I know not how it commeth to passe hauing thus long continued our publike praiers to this end we begin in these later daies to doubt and to reason for whome we ought to pray as though wee had neuer read in the scriptures That all mankind ought to be deare vnto vs Or as though the Apostle had neuer said vnto vs That praiers supplications intercessions and giuing of thanks should be made for All men Of which rule and of the fourth verse thereof S. Augustine speaking saith Siquidem Apostolus cuius ista est sententia solicitè praecipit quod in omnibus ecclesijs pijssimè custoditur vt Deo pro omnibus hominibus supplicetur For sure the Apostle whose sentence this is dooth most carefully commaund and which thing is most godlie obserued in all churches That supplications be made to God for All men And Chrisostome doubteth not to say Idcircò altari assistens Sacerdos prò vniuerso orbeterrarum prò absentibus atquè Praesentibus Deo nos gratias iubet offerre To this purpose the Priest standing at the aulter commandeth vs to offer vp thanks to God for the whole vniuersall world for the persons absent and Present c And it seemeth by S. Ciprian that it was a Christian mans profession an outward badge of a Christian euen to confesse That he hath compassion on Infidels and such as are without and excepted none but praied for all and therefore being required to conuert to idolatrie by the Proconsul he answered Christianus ego sum nullos alios deus noui nisi vnum verum deum c. Hunc nocte dieque deprecamur prò omnibus etiam prò imperatoribus c. I am a Christiā saith he and know not any other gods but one and the true God Him wee intreat and pray vnto day and night yea for Al men and euen for the emperours which were then Galienus and Valerianus who were at that time the persecutors and had by their letters commaunded that All men should worship the Roman gods In reading of these things therefore with a gret deale more as followeth in the processe hereof most reuerend Father I wondered that men should be so deceiued as to speake against that which they knew not or to mislike that which was Apostolical iust and good That therfore I might releeue the error of the ignorant herein not doubting of the learned and their persuasion of whom I am readie to learne I haue taken vpon me to write this Treatise nothing fearing but if they will in all humilitie learne they shall easily be drawne forth of the snares wherein they haue ben intangled and discerne and confes the truth So committing the same vnto your honorable and fatherly tuition as being a point and question in Diuinitie and now too much contended of amongst the simple Leauing you to your more weightier affairs I cease any further at this time to intreat hereof From S. Laurence in Reading in the Countie of Berkshire Anno 1595. Your Honors most humble and daily Orator Iohn Smith To the Christian Reader Grace and Peace THou hast of late right Christian reader giuen foorth vnto thy view a little Treatise concerning Praier for Almen for thy confirmation that way if thou be established for thy instruction if thou doubt as is meant by the writer and the author of the same Which for my part should haue gone on and passed without any my speeches or writings if it had passed in innocencie and simplicitie of it selfe But because it so deepely reprooueth the contrarie minded argueth their ignorance confuteth their opinions impaireth the vnderstanding of S. Augustine alleaged the Author knoweth by whome I thought good being one of the simplest of those that preach that doctrine yet most touched in the said Treatise to deale towards thee after this sort First I haue sent thee here the Doctrine hereof namely of Praier for All men secondly I mean to send thee as God shall giue time the full answer vnto that former Treatise that thou maist discerne where the truth and where the error is I must confesse if the disquieted minds about this doctrine had not mooued me and the oft soliciting of such whose I am in the Lord also prouoked me and the learned my friends oft told me how I was dealt withall in the said Treatise I had not taken this seruice in hand For I beare this mind alwaies in most readie sort being aduertised to reclaim that I speake amisse euen in the congregation much lesse would I heare of it in Print For what is the estimation of a minister in the Lord if he be bereaued of the truth None surely in my iudgement any way First therefore iudge thou of my doctrin secondly thou shalt if God giue grace vnderstand our faults and imperfections laid to our charge And the Lord Iesus in the meane season giue thee vnderstanding in all things to thy euerlasting comfort in him Amen Thine in the Lord Iohn Smith GENERALL PRAIER for all Men. IT were greatly to be desired right Christian reader that in the course and preaching of the Gospel there were such an harmonie and agreement that the smaller things lesse esteemed the direct and maine course of godlie exercise of holie life of brothe●ly

authoritie that wee may lead a quiet life in all godlinesse and honestie Hitherto haue we spoken concerning the praiers of the Church Namely of the Lords praier and of the rule of the Apostle set vp vsed and followed and that they comprehend in them the hearty desires of the Church and Gods children for the propagation of the Gospell the conuersion of mankind That all nations may vnderstand and see the saluation of our God Now then these things being so and that the praier of the sonne of God was of such account as to bee repeated in the Church and the rule of the Apostle obserued alike with all fidelitie how dare some amongst vs say That the Lords praier is not to be said or not to be repeated The Lord saith Pray thus The Apostles did as he commaunded The Church of God customably praieth it and we in these latter daies come and disdaine the same On the other side Saint Paules rule to pray for all men A rule of publique praier in the Church of God from the Apostles And we in these latter dayes say All men are not to be praied for Thus wee fleete and are carried about with euerie blast of doctrine not searching the causes or foundations thereof Now therefore say After these examples thus shewed and practised by the Fathers how should the Church of England haue set downe her publique praiers Truely to answere vnto God learnedly for example vnto others faithfully for the edifying of simple ones How I say should they religiously haue set them downe for those purposes if they had not followed the example of Christ of the Apostles and of the Fathers walking in their steppes And therefore I do verily thinke that the holy and reuerend Fathers so setting them downe as in our common praier booke appeareth sawe farre more into the state of the primatiue Church and so successiuely in the church of God then many a one that reprehendeth or findeth fault in these dayes We end the ministration of the Sacrament of the holy Supper of our Lord and the Sacrament of holy Baptisme with the Lords praier Haue not the Fathers receiued it by practise Saith not Saint Augustine as it is before speaking of the Sacrament Quam totam petitionem ferè omnis ecclesia dominica oratione concludit All which petition the whole Church almost concludeth with the Lords praier And haue not they discharged themselues like good men in following the patterne of the ancient Church and of the Church of God Againe we pray in the Let●nie That it would please thee to haue mercie vpon All men Also we pray Haue mercie vpon All Iewes Turkes Infidels and heretikes c. Doth not the Lord so commaund to pray for our enemies to pray for them that persecute vs Saith not Saint Paul Pray for all men Shall not this bee a rule for Gods Church as long as we liue Nescie●tes quis ad numerum praedestinatorum quis ad sortem reproborum pertineat sic affici debemus charitatis affectu vt velimus omnes saluari ideo omnibus fraternae correptionis debemus affectum imp●ndere sub spe diuini auxilij We not knowing who b●longeth to the number of the predestinate and who belongeth to the lot of the reprobate should so be touched with the affection of loue as that wee would A●l men should bee saued and therefore we must bestow the affection of brotherly reproouing vpon all vnder hope of the heauenlie and diuine helpe of God And if we be to bestow the affection of brotherly reprouing or chasticement then our praier also and what so euer may further the good and amendment of our neighbours and brethren Also ●fter the reading of the Gospel we read thus For the whole state of Christs Church c. Almightie and euerliuing God which by thy holy Apostle hast taught vs to make praiers and supplications and to giue thanks for Al men c. Is not this after the rule of the Apostle and according to the example of S. Augustine in the place aboue cited how then are these things so much misliked that some when they minister the Sacraments or doe preach leaue out the Lords praier as vnworthy to stand there or too childi●h to be said Othersome by no meanes will pray for All men When Saul pursued Dauid and that Dauid now had pleaded his innocencie that Saul could not denie the same Then Da●id said After whom dost thou pursue After a dead dog and after a flee the Lord therefore be iudge and iudge betwixt thee and mee and see and plead my cause c. So it seemeth to me that this rule of the Apostle speak●th against them The Lord plead my cause betwixt you and me th●t haue brought in errors disquieted the church and abused the people infond opinions After the time of the fathers aboue mentioned the praiers of the church began to be corrupt and as I read Pontificiorum historiae narrant inuocationem sanctorum additam insertam esse litaniae à Gregorio Magno circà annum dom 600. The histories of the Popes doe shew that inuocation of the saints added and inserted to the Letanie by Gregorie the great about the yeare sixe hund●ed T●erfore let vs looke into the practise of the reform●tion of our daies and let v● see how much vnlike vnto the church of England in this point they are or whether they agree in one or no. First therefore there is a booke whose title is thus The forme of praiers and ministration of the sacramen●s c. Vsed in the English church at Geneua approued and ●eceiued by the church of Scotland c. Print●d at Edenbur●h 1565. In that booke there is a praier named For the whole state of Christs church and therein we read thus Furthermo●e for as much as by the holy Apostle wee bee taught to make our praiers and supplications for All men we pray not on●ly for our selues here present but beseech thee ●lso to reduce all such as be yet ignorant from the miserabl● captiuitie of blindnes and error to the pure vnderstanding of thy heauenly truth That we all with one consent and vnitie of minds may worship thee our only God and sauiour The very same words ye read in the Geneua English with this title Approued by the famous and godly learned man M. Iohn Caluin Printed at Geneua 1556. The very same words ye read in a booke of the form of Common Praiers administration of the sacraments agreeable to Gods word and the vse of reformed churches Printed at Midleburgh 1587. Secondly the church of Scotland in a praier called Another manner of praier after the sermon yee ●ead thus Moreouer we make our praiers vnto thee O Lord most mercifull father for Al men in generall that as thou wilt be knowne to be the sauiour of all the world by the redemption purchased by thine only son Iesus Christ euen so that such as haue