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A06555 The English iarreĀ· or disagreement amongst the ministers of great Brittaine, concerning the Kinges supremacy. VVritten in Latin by the Reuerend Father, F. Martinus Becanus of the Society of Iesus, and professour in diuinity. And translated into English by I.W. P.; Dissidium Anglicarum de primatu Regis. English Becanus, Martinus, 1563-1624.; Wilson, John, ca. 1575-ca. 1645? 1612 (1612) STC 1702; ESTC S121050 28,588 66

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ecclesiasticam_fw-la sed_fw-la per_fw-la gubernation●m_fw-la supr●mam_fw-la the_o primacy_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o to_o be_v define_v by_o jurisdiction_n ecclesiastical_a but_o by_o supreme_a government_n etc._n etc._n and_o again_o pag._n 95._o diximus_fw-la reg●m_fw-la gub●rnar●_n quid●m_fw-la ecclesiastical_a s●d_fw-la non_fw-la ecclesias●i●è_fw-la we_o have_v say_v before_o that_o the_o king_n indeed_o do_v govern_v ecclesiastical_a thing_n but_o not_o ecclesiastical_o and_o why_o i_o pray_v you_o because_o forsooth_o he_o have_v not_o jurisdiction_n ecclesiastical_a but_o only_o temporal_a and_o hereunto_o agree_v m._n burhill_n pag._n 234._o grant_v this_o negative_a proposition_n rex_fw-la say_v he_o nullam_fw-la habet_fw-la jurisdictionem_fw-la ecclesiasticam_fw-la nec_fw-la in_o foro_fw-la interiori_fw-la nec_fw-la in_o exteriori_fw-la the_o king_n have_v no_o jurisdiction_n ecclesiastical_a neither_o in_o the_o interior_a nor_o exterior_a court_n etc._n etc._n 4._o now_o my_o lord_n of_o ely_n he_o distinguish_v in_o this_o case_n as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o m._n tookers_n book_n pag._n 305._o in_o these_o word_n habet_fw-la rex_fw-la omnem_fw-la iurisdictionem_fw-la spiritualem_fw-la in_fw-la foro_fw-la exteriori_fw-la exceptis_fw-la quibusdam_fw-la censuris_fw-la the_o king_n have_v all_o jurisdiction_n spiritual_a in_o the_o exterior_a court_n except_o in_o certain_a censure_n etc._n etc._n so_o as_o now_o to_o this_o question_n to_o wit_n whether_o the_o king_n as_o he_o be_v primate_n and_o head_n of_o the_o church_n have_v any_o jurisdiction_n ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a in_o the_o exterior_a court_n we_o must_v answer_v thus_o first_o with_o m._n tooker_n and_o m._n salclebridge_n that_o he_o have_v most_o ample_a most_o full_a and_o supreme_a jurisdiction_n second_o with_o my_o lord_n of_o ely_n that_o he_o have_v indeed_o some_o but_o not_o all_o and_o last_o with_o m._n burhill_n and_o m._n tompson_n that_o he_o have_v none_o no_o not_o any_o one_o jot_n at_o all_o vi_o question_n whether_o the_o king_n of_o his_o own_o authority_n can_v assemble_v or_o call_v together_o counsel_n 1._o nov_n follow_v the_o jar_n and_o debate_n of_o our_o adversary_n concern_v the_o office_n and_o function_n of_o the_o king_n primacy_n &_o they_o ●re_n six_o in_o number_n which_o may_v be_v