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A56065 The propositions of the Roman Catholicks of Ireland as also the answer of the agents for the Protestants of Ireland made to the said propositions, and their petitions and propositions to His Majesty, and His Majesties answer to the propositions of the said Roman Catholicks, and the answer of James, Marquesse of Ormond, His Majesties Commissioner for the treatie and concluding of a peace in the kingdome of Ireland, to the said propositions. Confederate Catholics.; Ormonde, James Butler, Duke of, 1610-1688. 1644 (1644) Wing P3800; ESTC R36692 41,588 78

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on_o their_o chiefetayne_v who_o usurp_v a_o absolute_a power_n on_o they_o to_o the_o diminution_n of_o your_o regal_a power_n and_o to_o the_o oppression_n of_o the_o inferior_a 7._o this_o we_o conceive_v concern_v some_o of_o the_o late_a plantation_n and_o no_o other_o part_n of_o that_o kingdom_n and_o that_o the_o restitution_n herein_o mention_v be_v find_v to_o be_v of_o great_a use_n especial_o for_o the_o indifferency_n of_o trial_n strength_n of_o the_o government_n and_o for_o trade_n and_o traffic_n and_o we_o humble_o conceive_v that_o if_o other_o plantation_n shall_v not_o proceed_v for_o the_o settle_n and_o secure_v of_o that_o kingdom_n &_o that_o no_o restraint_n be_v make_v of_o papist_n purchase_v or_o buy_v of_o the_o protestant_n out_o of_o their_o former_a platation_n where_o they_o be_v prudent_o plant_v though_o now_o cast_v out_o of_o their_o estate_n by_o the_o late_a rebellion_n &_o unable_a to_o plant_v the_o same_o again_o for_o want_v of_o mean_n and_o 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milan_n &_o other_o place_n which_o draw_v a_o great_a treasure_n yearly_a out_o of_o your_o majesty_n dominion_n but_o will_v send_v few_o or_o none_o of_o they_o to_o oxford_n or_o cambridge_n where_o they_o may_v as_o cheap_o be_v bring_v up_o and_o become_v as_o learned_a which_o course_n we_o conceive_v be_v hold_v out_o of_o their_o pride_n and_o disaffection_n towards_o this_o kingdom_n and_o the_o true_a religion_n here_o profess_v and_o for_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n which_o be_v for_o the_o common-lawe_n agreeable_a to_o england_n so_o for_o the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o statute_n the_o inn_n of_o court_n in_o england_n be_v sufficient_a and_o the_o protestant_n come_v thither_o without_o grudge_v and_o it_o be_v a_o mean_n to_o civilize_v they_o after_o the_o english_a custom_n to_o make_v they_o familiar_a and_o in_o love_n with_o the_o language_n and_o nation_n to_o preserve_v law_n in_o the_o purity_n when_o the_o professor_n of_o it_o shall_v draw_v of_o one_o original_a fountain_n and_o see_v the_o manner_n of_o the_o practice_n of_o it_o in_o the_o same_o great_a channel_n where_o his_o majesty_n court_n of_o justice_n of_o england_n do_v flow_v clear_o whereas_o by_o separation_n of_o the_o kingdom_n in_o the_o place_n of_o their_o principal_a instruction_n where_o their_o foundation_n in_o be_v be_v to_o be_v lay_v a_o degenerate_a corruption_n in_o religion_n and_o justice_n may_v happy_o be_v introduce_v and_o spread_v with_o much_o more_o difficulty_n to_o be_v correct_v and_o restrain_v afterward_o by_o any_o discipline_n to_o be_v use_v in_o ireland_n or_o punishment_n there_o to_o be_v inflict_v for_o depart_v from_o the_o true_a ground_n of_o thing_n that_o be_v best_a preserve_v in_o unity_n when_o they_o grow_v out_o of_o the_o same_o root_n then_o if_o such_o university_n and_o inn_n of_o court_n as_o be_v propose_v shall_v be_v grant_v all_o which_o we_o humble_o submit_v to_o your_o majesty_n most_o pious_a and_o prudent_a consideration_n and_o judgement_n 8._o we_o humble_o conceive_v that_o the_o roman_a catholic_n native_n in_o ireland_n may_v have_v the_o like_a office_n and_o place_n as_o the_o roman_a catholic_n native_n of_o england_n here_o have_v and_o not_o otherwise_o howbeit_o we_o conceive_v that_o in_o the_o generality_n they_o have_v not_o deserve_v somuch_o by_o their_o late_a rebellion_n therefore_o we_o see_v not_o why_o they_o shall_v be_v endow_v with_o any_o new_a or_o further_a capacity_n or_o privilege_n than_o they_o have_v by_o the_o law_n and_o statute_n now_o in_o force_n in_o that_o kingdom_n 9_o we_o know_v no_o oppression_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o court_n of_o ward_n and_o we_o humble_o conceive_v that_o the_o court_n of_o ward_n be_v of_o great_a use_n for_o the_o raise_n of_o your_o majesty_n revenue_n the_o preservation_n of_o your_o majesty_n tennure_n and_o chief_o the_o education_n of_o the_o gentry_n in_o the_o protestant_n religion_n and_o civility_n of_o learning_n and_o good_a manner_n who_o otherwise_o will_v be_v bring_v up_o in_o ignorance_n &_o barbarism_n their_o estate_n be_v ruyne_v by_o their_o kindred_n and_o friend_n and_o continue_v their_o dependence_n on_o the_o chief_a lord_n to_o the_o great_a prejudice_n of_o your_o majesty_n service_n and_o protestant_n subject_n and_o there_o be_v no_o colour_n of_o exception_n to_o your_o majesty_n just_a title_n to_o wardship_n we_o know_v not_o why_o the_o take_v away_o of_o court_n concern_v the_o same_o shall_v be_v so_o press_v unless_o it_o be_v to_o prevent_v the_o education_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o gentry_n that_o fall-ward_n in_o the_o protestant_n religion_n for_o that_o part_n of_o this_o proposition_n which_o concern_v respite_n of_o homage_n we_o humble_o conceive_v it_o reasonable_a that_o some_o way_n may_v be_v settle_v for_o this_o if_o it_o stand_v with_o your_o majesty_n good_a pleasure_n without_o prejudice_n to_o your_o majesty_n or_o your_o protestant_n subject_n 10._o 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