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A reformed catechism. The first dialogue in two dialogues concerning the English Reformation / collected for the most part, word for word out of Dr. Burnet, John Fox, and other Protestant historians ; published for the information of the people in reply to Mas William Kings answer to D. Manby's considerations &c. ; by Peter Manby.
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Manby, Peter, d. 1697.
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his Disciples Feet saying Si ego lavi pedes vestrâ—s c. If I being your Lord and Master have washed your feet ye also ought to wash the feet of one another This was a Precept yet hath the Church altered it lest the simple people should think a Re-baptization in it Why do not Protestants observe Christs Institution of washing one anothers feet before they receive the Sacrament So because the Apostle saith Accepi a Domino quod tradidi vobis c. I have received of the Lord the same which I delivered unto you that our Lord the same night that he was betrayed c. notwithstanding Christs Precept that the Sacrament should be administred after Supper the Church hath commanded it to be received fasting and Protestants do receive it before dinner And where Christ did break the Bread we receive the whole Host Christ ministred sitting at the Table we standing at the Altar Likewise it is commanded in the Acts that Christians should abstain à suffocato sanguine from things strangled and from blood but the Church hath altered it nor do Protestants observe it God commanded the Sabbath or Seventh day to be kept holy the Church hath altered it to the Sunday If then the Church may change things so expresly appointed in Scripture she may also change the form of the Laitys receiving under both kinds and that for divers reasons First That in carrying it to the Sick the Blood may not be shed lost or misused Next That no occasion might be given to Heretiques to think that there is not so much under one kind as under both But why would you have it under both kinds only to pervert and contradict the Practice of the Church For when you have it under both kinds ye believed in neither meaning a real presence in neither Now Sir as concerning the Sacrament of the Altar where you say you have a number of Doctors on your side and we none of ours indeed one to stop your mouth I think it not possible to find Nevertheless whereas your desire is to have one shewed you and then you will recant I will shew you two Ferebatur manibus suis saith St. Austin super Psal 33. I find not how this is true in David saith he literally that he was born in his own hands but in Christ I find it true literally when he gave his Body to his Apostles at his last Supper Again St. Cyprian de Coena Domini saith Panis quem Dominus Discipulis porrigebat non effigie sed natura mutatus Omnipotentia Verbi factus est Caro. What can be more plain than this yet to you it is not plain enough But give me your figurative significative and such other like terms and I will defend that Christ hath not yet ascended no nor yet that he was incarnate Wherefore I can only put you in the number of those whom S. Chrysostom speaks of Audi homo fidelis qui contra Haereticum contendis c. Hear O thou Christian canst thou hope to do more than Christ Christ confuted the Pharesees yet could not put them to silence Et tu fortior es Christo Wilt thou go about to silence him that will receive no Answer Thus much have I said not for you Mr. Cranmer for my hope that I conceived of you is now past and gone but somewhat to satisfie the rude unlearned people that they perceiving your Arrogancy may the better eschew your detestable and abominable Schism Fox pag. 658 659. Thus spake the Bishop of Glocester like a Catholique understanding Prelate After whom Dr. Story saith Fox thus inferred in words Master Cranmer you have made a goodly Process concerning your Heretical Oath made to the King but you forget your Oath made to the See Apostolique As concerning your Oath to the King if you made it to him only it took an end by his Death and so it is released if to his Successors well Sir the true Successors have the Empire now and they will have you to dissolve the same and become a member of Christs Church again it was no Oath for it lacked the three points of an Oath that is to say Justiciam Judicium Veritatem Thus Dr Story ibid. p. 659. Protestants will needs swear the King to be Supream in all Spiritual things or causes whether the King will or no and when they have sworn it they will obey him in such matters so far as they think good when he happens to be a Papist A. What followed after this B. After all this Cranmer made that Recantation which you have heard and retracted it again when he saw no hopes of his Pardon He had this reason to rejoyce says Fox that dying in such a Cause he was to be numbered amongst Christs Martyrs although he had no mind to be a Martyr much more worthy the Name of Saint Thomas of Canterbury than he whom the Pope had falsly canoniz'd meaning Thomas Becker p. 672. A. Of what Church dyed he a Member B. I cannot tell the Church of England being then abolished and Catholique Religion restored by Act of Parliament A. One Question you have not answered what were the Words of his Mission and Consecration both as Priest and Bishop B. That you shall hear by and by Give me leave to observe one or two passages more out of Dr. Burnet A. As to what Point B. As to that Candour and Simplicity which Burnet admires in him page 172. 1. vol. The Story is thus Burnet p. 172. second volume viz. In the year 1551. the fifth year of Edward the Sixth the business of the Lady Mary was taken up with more heat than formerly The Emperors earnest Suit that she might have Mass said in her House was long rejected Yet the State of England making his Friendship at that time necessary to the King and he refusing to continue in his League unless his Kinswoman obtained that Favour it was promised that for some time in hope she would reform there should be a Forbearance granted The Emperors Ambassador pressed to have a License for it under the great Seal it was answered that being against Law it could not be done The two grounds she went upon were that she would follow the ancient and universal way of Worship and not a new Invention that lay within the Four Seas these were her words and that she would continue in that Religion in which her Father King Henry had instructed her To this the King sent an Answer he was then scarce 14 years of age telling her that she was a part of this Church and Nation and so must conform her self to the Laws of it the Laws made by Cranmer Sommerset Dudley c. and that the way of Worship now set up was no other than what was clearly consonant to the pure Word of God that was King Edwards first Common Prayer Book which expresly commanded Prayers for the dead After this she was sent for to Court and
pains was taken to instruct her better but she refused to enter into any Reasonings and claimed the Promise that was said to be made to the Emperor But it was told her that it was but temporary and conditional Whereupon the last Summer anno 1550. she was designing to fly out of England The Emperors Ambassador solicited for her violently and said he would presently take leave and protest that they had broken their Faith to his Master who would resent the Usage of the Lady Mary as highly as if it were done immediately to himself The Privy Counsellors having no mind to draw a new War on their Heads especially from so victorious a Prince were all inclined to let the matter fall There was also a Years Cloth lately sent over to Antwerp and 1500 Quintals of Powder with a great deal of Armour bought there for the King's use was not come over So it was thought by no means advisable to provoke the Emperor while they had such effects in his Ports Nor were they very willing to give higher Provocations to the next Heir of the Crown Therefore they all advised the King not to do more in that matter at present but to leave the Lady Mary to her Discretion who would certainly be made more Cautious by what she had met with and would give as little scandal as was possible by her Mass But King Edward could not be induced to give way to it for he thought the Mass was Impious and Idolatrous as Cranmer and the rest of his Tutors had instructed him so he would not consent to the continuance of such a Sin. Upon this the Council ordered Cranmer Ridley and Poinet the new Bishops of Winchester to discourse with him about it They told him it was always a Sin in a Prince to permit any Sin but to give a Connivance that is not to Punish was not always a Sin. Since sometimes a lesser Evil connived at might prevent a greater He was overcome by this yet not so easily but that he burst forth into Tears lamenting his Sisters obstinacy and that he must suffer her to continue in so abominable a way of Worship as he esteemed the Mass Burnet ibid. Reader Observe here the Casuistry of these new Apostles Cranmer Ridley and Poinet c. governing the Conscience of this young King. At his Fathers death they all went to Mass King Henry was no sooner dead but they represent it to King Edward as the most impious and detestable Idolatry not to be tolerated by any Christian King He understood not their Knavery being then anno 1546. a Child of nine years old but verily thought them what they pretended to be the most sincere Christians After four or five years he is amazed to find the Spirt of Reformation appearing with a Cloven foot and distinguishing betwixt Permitting and Conniving at the impiety of the Mass for interests sake He burst our into Tears at the Counsel of these new Evangelists thus mingling earthly Policy with Religion But mark what follows Burnet informs you that King Edward's Council being now less in fear of the Emperor In July anno 1551 sent for Inglefield Walgrave and Rochester three of the Lady Marys chief Officers and gave them Instructions to signifie unto her the Kings Pleasure to have the new Service in her Family these are Burnets words and to return with an Answer In August they came back and said she received the Message very grievously and that she would obey the King in all things except where her Conscience was touched Upon this they were sent to the Tower. Then the Lord Chancellor Sir Authony Wingfield and Sir William Petre were sent unto her with a Letter from the King and Instructions from the Council They came to her House at Copthall in Essex The Lord Chancellor gave her the Kings Letter which she received on her knees and said she paid that respect to the Kings Hand and not to the Matter of the Letter which she knew proceeded from the Council And when she read it she said Ah! Mr. Cecil took much pains here he was then Secretary of State so she turned to the Counsellors and bid them deliver their Message to her wishing them to be short for she was not well at ease The Lord Chancellor told her that all the Council were of one mind that she must be no longer suffered to have private Mass or a Form of Religion different from what was established by Law. He went to read the Names of those that were of that mind but she desired him to spare his pains she knew they were all of a sort They next told her they had Order to require her Chaplains to use no other Service than what was according to Law. She answered she was the Kings most obedient Subject and Sister and would obey him in every thing but where her Conscience held her and would willingly suffer Death to do him Service but she would lay her Head on a Block rather than use any other Form of Service than what had been at her Fathers Death only she thought observe this she was not worthy to suffer Death upon so good an account When the King came to be of Age so that he could order these things himself she would obey his Commands in Religion For although he Good Sweet King these were her words had more Knowledge than any of his years yet he was not a fit Judge in these matters For if a Ship were to be set to Sea or any matter of Policy to be determined they would not think him fit for it much less could he be able to resolve Points of Divinity I have transcribed this passage at large out of Burnet pag. 173 174. 2. vol. for two reasons 1. To acquaint the Reader how these Reformers steered their course according to their Interest For in July 1551. being now in less fear of the Emperor says Burnet they sent 3 Messengers to her to signifie the Kings Pleasure that she must be no longer suffered to have Mass in her Family 2. To entertain you with this passage of the Christian and Noble Behaviour of the Lady Mary confessed by Burnet himself And more of it you shall hear anon A. You promised another passage out of Burnet B. 'T is this On the 12th of April 1549. the third year of Edward VI a Complaint was brought to the Council that with the Strangers that were come into England some Anabaptists had come over and were disseminating their Errors and making Proselites so a Commission was ordered for the Archbishop of Canterbury the Bishops of Ely Wircester Westminster Chichester Lincoln and Rochester c. and some others three of them being a Quorum to examine and search after all Anabaptists Heretiques or Contemners of the Common Prayer They were to endeavour to reclaim them to enjoyn them Penance and give them Absolution or if they were obstinate to excommunicate and imprison them and to deliver them over to the secular Power to