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A66445 The blovdy tenent, of persecution, for cause of conscience, discussed, in a conference betweene trvth and peace vvho, in all tender affection, present to the high court of Parliament, as the result of their discourse, these, amongst other passages, of highest consideration. Williams, Roger, 1604?-1683.; Cotton, John, 1584-1652. 1644 (1644) Wing W2758; ESTC R2405 232,471 275

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raised concerning those famous acts of Asa Hezekiah Iehosaphat Iosiah What thinke you of the Fast proclaimed by Iehosaphat 2 Chron. 20. 3. Truth I finde it to be the duty of Kings and all in authority to incourage Christs Messengers of Truth proclaiming Repentance c. But under the Gospel to enforce all naturall and unregenerate people to acts of worship what president hath Christ Iesus given us First t is true Iehosaphat proclaimed a Fast c. but was he not in matters spirituall a type of Christ the true King of Israel Secondly Iehosaphat calls the members of the true Church to Church service and worship of God But consider if civill Powers now may judge of and determine the actions of worship proper to the Saints I● they may appoint the time of the Churches worship Fasting and Prayer c. why may they not as wel forbid those times which a Church of Christ shall make choice of seeing it is a branch of the same Root to forbid what lik●th not as well as to injoyne what pleaseth And if in those most solemne duties and exercises why not also in other ordinary meetings and worships And if so where is the power of the Lord Jesus bequeathed to his Ministers and Churches of which the power of those Kings was but a shadow CHAP. CXVIII Peace THe liberty of the Subject sounds most sweet London and Oxford both professe to fight for it How much infinitly more sweet is that true soule liberty according to Christ Iesus I know you would not take from Caesar ought although it were to give to God And what is Gods and his peoples I wish that Caesar may not take Yet for the satisfaction of some be pleased to glance upon Iosiah his famous Acts in the Church of God concerning the worship of God the Priests Levites and their Services compelling the people to keepe the Passeover making himselfe a covenant before the Lord and compelling all that were found in Ierusalem and Benjamin to stand to it Truth To these famous practices of Iosiah I shall parallell the practices of Englands Kings and first de jure a word or two of their right then de facto discusse what hath been done First de jure Iosiah was a precious branch of that Royall Root King David who was immediately designed by God and when the golden linkes of the Royall chaine broke in the usurpations of the Romane Conquerour it pleased the most wise God to send a Sonne of David a Sonne of God to beginne againe that Royall Line to sit upon the Throne of his Father David Luc. 1. 32. Acts 2. 30. It is not so with the Gentile Princes Rulers and Magistrates whether Monarchicall Aristrocraticall or Democraticall who though government in generall be from God yet receive their callings power and authority both Kings and Parliaments mediately from the people Secondly Iosiah and those Kings were Kings and Governours over the then true and onely Church of God Nationall brought into the Covenant of God in Abraham and so downward and they might well be forced to stand to that Covenant into which with such immediate signes and miracles they had beene brought But what Commission from Christ Iesus had Henry the eight Edward the 6. or any Iosiah like to force the many hundred thousands of English men and women without such immediate signes and miracles that Israel had to enter into an holy and spirituall Covenant with the invisible God the Father of Spirits or upon paine of death as in Iosia●s time to stand to that which they never made nor before Evangelicall Repentance are possibly capable of Now secondly de facto let it be well remembred concerning the Kings of England professing Reformation The foundation of all was laid in Henry the 8. The Pope chalengeth to be the Vicar of Christ Iesus here upon earth to have power of reforming the Church redressing abuses c. Henry 8. falls out with the Pope and chalengeth that very power to himself of which he had despoiled the Pope as appeares by that Act of Parliament establishing Henry 8 the supreme Head and Governour in all cases Ecclesiasticall c. It pleased the most High God to plague the Pope by Henry the 8. his means but neither Pope nor King can ever prove such power from Christ derived to either of them Secondly as before intimated let us view the Workes and Acts of Englands imitation of Iosiahs practice Henry the 7. leaves England under the slavish bondage of the Popes yoake Henry the 8. reformes all England to a new fashion halfe Papist halfe Protestant King Edward the 6. turnes about the Wheele of the State and workes the whole Land to absolute Protestanisme Queene Mary succeeding to the Helme steeres a direct contrary course breakes in peeces all that Edward wrought and brings forth an old edition of Englands Reformation all Popish Mary not living out halfe her dayes as the Prophet speakes of bloudy persons Elizabeth like Ioseph advanced from the Prison to the Palace and from the irons to the Crowne she pluckes up all her sister Maries plants and sounds a Trumpet all Protestant What sober man stands not amazed at these Revolutions and yet like Mother like Daughter and how zealous are we their off-spring for another impression and better edition of a Nationall Canaan in imitation of Iudah and Iosiah which if attained who knowes how soone succeeding Kings or Parliaments will quite pull downe and abrogate Thirdly in all these formings and reformings a Nationall Church of naturall unregenerate men was like wax the subject matter of all these formes and changes whether Popish or Protestant concerning which Nationall State the time is yet to come when ever the Lord Jesus hath given a word of institution and appointment CHAP. CXIX Peace YOu bring to minde deare Truth a plea of some wiser Papists for the Popes supremacy viz. that it was no such exorbitant or unheard of power and jurisdiction which the Pope chalenged but the very same which a Woman Queene Elizabeth her selfe chalenged stiling her Papissa or she Pope withall pleading that in point of Reason it was far more suitable that the Lord Jesus would delegate his power rather to a Clergie man then a Lay man as Henry the 8. or a woman as his daughter Elizabeth Truth I beleeve that neither one nor t'other hit the white yet I beleeve the Papists arrowes fall the nearest to it in this particular viz. That the government of the Church of Christ should rather belong to such as professe a Ministry or Office Spirituall then to such as are meerly Temporall and Civill So that in conclusion the whole controversi● concerning the government of Christ Kingdome or Church will be found to lye between the true and false Ministry both chalenging the true commission power and keyes from Christ. Peace This all glorious diadem of the Kingly power of the Lord Iesus
be so farre from striving to subdue their opposites with the civill sword that they are bound with patience and meeknesse to wait if God peradventure will please to grant repentance unto their opposites So also it pleaseth the Answerer to acknowledge in these words It becomes not the Spirit of the Gospel to convert Aliens to the Faith such as the Samaritanes and the unconverted Christians in Crete with Fire and Brimstone Secondly be they oppositions within and Church members as the Answerer speakes become scandalous in doctrine I speake not of scandals against the civill State which the civill Magistrate ought to punish it is the Lord onely as this Scripture to Timothy implyes who is able to give them repentance and recover them out of Sathans snare to which end also he hath appointed those holy and dreadfull censures in his Church or Kingdome True it is the Sword may make as once the Lord complained Isa. 10. a whole Nation of Hypocrites But to recover a Soule from Sathan by repentance and to bring them from Antichristian doctrine or worship to the doctrine or worship Christian in the least true internall or externall submission that only works the All-powerfull God by the sword of his Spirit in the hand of his Spirituall officers What a most wofull proofe hereof have the Nations of the Earth given in all Ages And to seeke no further then our native Soyle within a few scores of yeeres how many wonderfull changes in Religion hath the whole Kingdome made according to the change of the Governours thereof in the severall Religious which they themselves imbraced Henry the 7. finds and leaves the kingdome absolutely Popish Henry the 8. casts it into a mould half Popish halfe Protestant Edward the 6. brings forth an Edition all Protestant Queene Mary within few yeares defaceth Edwards worke and renders the Kingdome after her Grandfather Hen. 7. his pattern all Popish Maries short life and Religion ends together and Elizabeth reviveth her Brother Edwards Modell all Protestant And some eminent Witnesses of Gods Truth against Antichrist have enclined to believe that before the downfall of that Beast England must once againe how down her faire Neck to his proud usurping yoake and foot Peace It hath been Englands sinfull shame to fashion change their Garments and Religions with wondrous ease and lightnesse as a higher Power a stronger Sword hath prevailed after the ancient patterne of Nebuchaanezzars bowing the whole world in one most solemne uniformitie of worship to his Golden Image Dan. 3. CHAP. XL. BUt it hath been thought or said Shall oppositions against the Truth escape unpunished will they not prove mischievous c. Truth I answer as before concerning the blinde Guides in case there be no Civill offence committed the Magistrates all men that by the mercy of God to themselves discerne the miserie of such Opposites have cause to lament and bewaile that fearfull condition wherein such are entangled to wit in the snares chains of Satan with which they are so invincibly caught and held that no power in Heaven or Earth but the Right hand of the Lord in the meeke and gentle dispensing of the Word of Truth can release and quit them Those many false Christs of whom the Lord Jesus forewarnes Mat. 24. have sutably their false bodies faith spirit Baptisme as the Lord Jesus hath his true body faith spirit c. Ephes. 4. correspondent also are their weapons and the successe issue or operation of them A carnall weapon or sword of steele may produce a carnall repentance a shew an outside an uniformitie through a State or Kingdome But it hath pleased the Father to exalt the Lord Iesus only to be a Prince armed with power and meanes sufficient to give repentance to Israel Acts 5. 31. Accordingly an unbelieving Soule being dead in sinne although he be changed from one worship to another like a dead man shifted into severall changes of apparell cannot please God Heb. 11. and consequently whatever such an unbelieving unregenerate person acts in Worship or Religion it is but sinne Rom. 14. Preaching sinne praying though without beads or booke sinne breaking of bread or Lords supper sinne yea as odious as the oblation of Swines blood a Dogs neck or killing of a Man Isa. 66. But Faith it is that gift which proceeds alone from the Father of Lights Phil. 1. 29. and till he please to make his light arise and open the eyes of blind sinners their soules shall lie fast asleep and the faster in that a sword of steele compells them to a worship in hypocrisie in the dungeons of spirituall darknesse and Sathans slavery Peace I adde that a civill sword as wofull experience in all ages hath proved is so far from bringing or helping forward an opposite in Religion to repentance that Magistrates sinne grievously against the worke of God and blood of Soules by such proceedings Because as commonly the suffrings of false and Antichristian Teachers harden their followers who being blind by this meanes are occasioned to tumble into the ditch of Hell after their blind leaders with more inflamed zeale of lying confidence So secondly violence and a sword of steele begets such an impression in the sufferers that certainly they conclude as indeed that Religion cannot be true which needs such instruments of violence to uphold it so that Persecutors are far from soft and gentle commiseration of the blindnesse of others To this purpose it pleased the Father of Spirits of old to constraine the Emperour of Rome Antoninus Pius to write to all the Governours of his Provinces to forbeare to persecute the Christians because such dealing must needs be so far from converting the Christians from their way that it rather begat in their mindes an opinion of their crueltie c. CHAP. XLI Peace THe next Scripture against such persecution is that of the Prophet Isa. 24. together with Mic. 4. 3. they shall break their swords into plough-shares and their speares into pruning-hookes Isa. 11. 9. There shall none hurt or destroy in all the mountaine of my Holinesse Unto which it pleased Mr. Cotton to say That these predictions doe onely shew first with what kinde of weapons he should subdue the Nations to the obedience of the faith of the Gospell not by fire and sword and weapons of War but by the power of the Word and Spirit of God which faith he no man doubts of Secondly those predictions of the Prophets shew what the meeke and peaceable temper will be of all true converts to Christianity not Lyons or Leopards not cruell oppressors nor malignant opposers or biters one of another but doth not forbid them to drive ravenous wolves from the sheep-fold and to restraine them from devouring the sheep of Christ. Truth In this first excellent and truly Christian Answer me thinks the Answerer may heare a voyce from Heaven Out of thine owne
Conviction and any other scandalous and heynous offender may be tolerated either in the Church without Excommunication or in the Common-weale without such punishment as may preserve others from dangerous and damnable infection CHAP. LXXIX Truth I Here observe the Answerers partiality that none but such as truly feare God should enjoy Libertie of Conscience whence the Inhabitants of the World must either come into the estate of men fearing God or else dissemble a Religion in hypocrisie or else be driven out of the World One must follow The first is only the gift of God the second and third are too commonly practised upon this ground Againe since there is so much controversie in the World where the name of Christ is taken up concerning the true Church the Ministrie and Worship and who are those that truly feare God I aske who shall judge in this case who be they that feare God It must needs be granted that such as have the power of suffring or not suffring such Consciences must judge and then must it follow as before I intimated that the Civill State must judge of the truth of the Spirituall and then Magistrates fearing or not fearing God must judge of the feare of God also that their judgement or sentence must be according to their conscience of what Religion soever Or that there is no lawfull Magistrate who is not able to judge in such cases And lastly that since the Soveraigne power of all Civill Authority is founded in the consent of the People that every Common-weale hath radically and fundamentally in it a power of true discerning the true feare of God which they transfer to their Magistrates and Officers Or else that there are no lawfull Kingdomes Cities or Townes in the World in which a man may live and unto whose Civill Government he may submit and then as I said before there must be no World nor is it lawfull to live in it because it hath not a true discerning Spirit to judge them that feare or not feare God Lastly although this worthy Answerer so readily grants that Libertie of Conscience should be suffred to them that feare God indeed yet we know what the Ministers of the Churches of New-England wrote in answer to the 3 Question sent to them by some Ministers of Old England viz. that although they confest them to be such persons whom they approved of far above themselves yea who were in their hearts to live and die together yet if they and other godly people with them comming over to them should differ in Church constitution they then could not approve their Civill cohabitation with them and consequently could not advise the Magistrates to suffer them to enjoy a Civill being within their Iurisdiction Heare O Heavens and give eare O Earth yea let the Heavens be astonished and the Earth tremble at such an Answer as this from such excellent men to such whom they esteeme for godlinesse above themselves CHAP. LXXIX Peace YEa but they say they doubt not if they were there but they should agree for say they either you will come to us or you may shew us light to come to you for we are but weak men and dreame not of perfection in this life Truth Alas who knowes not what lamentable differences have beene betweene the same Ministers of the Church of England some conforming others leaving their livings friends country life rather then conforme when others againe of whose personall godlinesse it is not questioned have succeeded by conformity into such forsaken so called Livings How great the present differences even amongst them that feare God concerning Faith Iustification and the evidence of it concerning Repentance and godly sorrow as also and mainly concerning the Church the Matter Forme Administration and Government of it Let none now thinke that the passage to New England by Sea or the nature of the Countrey can doe what onely the Key of David can doe to wit open and shut the Consciences of men Beside how can this bee a faithfull and upright acknowledgement of their weaknesse and imperfection when they preach print and practise such violence to the soules and bodies of others and by their Rules and Grounds ought to proceed even to the killing of those whom they judge so deare unto them and in respect of godlinesse far above themselves CHAP. LXXX Peace YEa but say they the godly will not persist in Heresie or turbulent Schisme when they are convinced in Conscience c. Truth Sweet Truth if the Civill Court and Magistracy must judge as before I have writ●en and those Civill Courts are as lawfull consisting of naturall men as of godly persons then what consequences necessarily will ●ollow I have before mentioned And I adde according to this conclusion it must follow that if the most godly persons yeeld not to once or twice Admonition as is maintained by the Answerer they must necessarily be esteemed obseinate persons for if they were godly saith he they would yeeld Must it not then be said as it was by one passing sentence of Banishment upon some whose godlinesse was acknowledged that he that commanded the Iudge not to respect the poore in the cause of judgement commands him not to respect the holy or the godly person Hence I could name the place and time when a godly man a most desirable person for his trade c. yet something different in conscience propounded his willingnesse and desire to come to dwell in a certaine Towne in New England it was answered by the Chiefe of the place This man differs from us and wee desire not to be troubled So that in conclusion for no other reason in the world the poore man though godly usefull and peaceable could not be admitted to a Civill Being and Habitation on the Common Earth in that Wildernesse amongst them The latter part of the Answer concerning the Hereticke or obstinate person to be excommunicated and the scandalous offender to be punished in the Commonweale which neither of both come neere our Question I have spoken I feare too largely already Peace Mr. Cotton concludes with a confident perswasion of having removed the grounds of that great errour viz. that persons are not to be persecuted for cause of conscience Truth And I beleeve deare Peace it shall appear to them that with feare and trembling at the word of the Lord examine these passages that the charge of errour reboundeth backe even such an errour as may well bee called the bloody tenent so directly contradicting the spirit and minde and practice of the Prince of Peace so deeply guilty of the blood of soules compelled and forced to ●●ypocrisie in a spirituall and soule rape so deeply guilty of the blood of the Soules under the Altar persecuted in all ages for the cause of Conscience and so destructive to the civill peace and welfare of all Kingdomes Countries and Commonwealths CHAP. LXXXI Peace TO this Conclusion deare Truth