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A06476 The Christian against the Iesuite Wherein the secrete or namelesse writer of a pernitious booke, intituled A discouerie of I. Nicols minister &c. priuily printed, couertly cast abrod, and secretely solde, is not only iustly reprooued: but also a booke, dedicated to the Queenes Maiestie, called A persuasion from papistrie, therein derided and falsified, is defended by Thomas Lupton the authour thereof. Reade with aduisement, and iudge vprightly: and be affectioned only to truth. Seene and allowed. Lupton, Thomas. 1582 (1582) STC 16946; ESTC S107762 169,674 220

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A persuasion frō Papistrie there you altered not my words but wrote thē as I wrote them because you thought y t persuasion beeing mine owne woorde woulde disgrace or discredite mee But now you perceiuing that if you should write mine owne woordes as they bee they woulde not then serue your turne Wherefore you defaced and displaced my woordes and foysted in your owne to my reproche and to your owne credite as you thought But as coggers and foysters of false Dyse thriue but sorily by their trade so you by the chopping and chaunging of my words and foysting in your owne will gaine but little And as they for their cogging and foysting when it is knowne are so dispised that the honest doe shunne them so you when this your subtill shifting is spied for all you are a Iesuite will procure your owne shame Your Reader hauing any good consideration will not thinke but that my woordes hang better togeather then you wrote them But that your dishonest dealing may the better appeare and that the indifferent and wise Reader may iudge whether ' I wrote so fondly as you haue affirmed I will heere both write my very woordes that you so shamefully altered and also the occasion and the circumstance thereof For in this point I went about not only to prooue her 〈◊〉 greate mercie and Ienitie to the obstinate Papistes her disobedient subiects But also though some of the stubborne sort did so little consider her power that they woulde say that shee had no lawe to punishe or execute them for the same that shee had as great power and authoritie to make lawes and to punish them as Queene Mary had But all this you left out besides the marring of my sentences and arguments that the reader might thinke that it had neither good method nor matter And now heere followeth my wordes If he that counterfeateth the Queenes Maiesties seale for some priuate profite breaking thereby but one part of her lawes is a Traytour and is therefore put to death Then are not you that are obstinate and disobedient Papistes Traytours And deserue death that hate your prince without any cause and that withstande and disobey all her godly lawes and proceedings In the louing and obeying of whome and the keeping and obseruing of whose lawes and orders her Graces safetie the preseruation of her person the conseruation of the common wealth and the prosperous state of this Realme doeth chieflye depende If heereby you will not willingly see what you are I feare against your willes you will feele hereafter what you are Open your eyes therefore and see what a mercifull Queene you haue that euer since shee beganne to raigne hath rather mercifully without lawe sought to winne you then cruelly by lawe to enforce or wounde you Thinke not because shee suffereth you that therefore shee cannot punishe nor execute you whiche if some of you sticke not to say openly many of you I beleeue thinke the same priuilie Thinke not because shee hathe made no lawe for you that therefore shee can make no lawe for you for the Queenes maiestie hath as great power to punish the Idolatrous Papistes in her Realme as king Iosia had to burne the Priestes of Baall in his Realme King Asa and his people made a couenant and swore not only to seeke the Lorde to cleaue vnto him and to hearken vn-his voyce but also that whosoeuer did not so shoulde bee slaine whether hee were small or great man or woman which couenant hee perfourmed and brake not And is not our Princesse queene of England aswel as Asa was king of Iuda and hath not shee as great power in her kingdome as he had in his And if GOD was well pleased with king Asa for making and perfourming of that couenant as hee was in deede would hee then bee angrie thinke you with Queene Elizabeth if she made the like and perfourmed it I thinke not But our mercifull Queene though shee hath set foorth the true 〈◊〉 of God as speedily as earnestly and as zealously as eyther king Asa or any other rular to bee followed and obserued throughout her whole realme hath not made any such couenant or law to slea or kill them that do not follow and obey the same But consider this well if the Pope not appointed by Gods lawe to raigne and rule as hee hath doone may murther and kill as many of you thinke hee may the professours and followers of Gods worde beeing not his subiectes for disobeyiug his lawe deuised and inuented by man on earth and procured by the Diuell Then may not wee thinke that our Queene appointed by God and allowed by his worde to raigne ouer vs may lawfully kill and put to death the Idolatrous Papists her subiects for wilfully disobeying and withstanding the law of God that came from heauen beeing long since taught by the Prophetes by Iesus Christe the sonne of God and by his Apostles mooued and procured thereto by God the holy Ghoste Therefore I beseeche you weigh the milde nature of our gracious Queene the mother of mercie that doth not vse the iustice shee may and marke your holy father the Pope the captaine of crueltie that vseth the iniusticie he ought not I pray you is not our Elizabeth Queene of Englande as well as Queene Mary was Whatpower what iurisdiction what authoritie what superioritie what excellencie and what els had Queene Mary that this our Queene Elizabeth hath not Queene Mary was king Henrie the eights daughter so is our Queene Elizabeth Queene Mary was King Edwardes sister so is Queene Elizabeth Queene Mary succeeded her brother King Edwarde so did Queene Elizabeth succeede her sister Queene Mary Queene Mary was lawefull Queene of Englande Queene Elizabeth is as lawfull Queene of Englande I will not say more Queene Mary put downe Gods worde planted by her brother and set vp Papistrie and Idolatrie and obeied the Pope Queene Elizabeth put downe papistrie and Idolatrie planted by her sister and obeyed GOD Queene Mary vsed her harmelesle and obedient subiects cruelly and put them to death that professed gods worde Queene Elizabeth vseth her wicked and disobedient subiects mercifully and suffereth them to liue that professe and stifly defende papistrie and idolatrie the doctrine of the Diuell These comparisons duly considered your Queene Mary did not muche excell our Queene Elizabeth vnles in crueltie and burning her harmelesse subiects Nowe if Queene Mary might put to death her humble and harmelesse subiects for professing of Gods word Then I cannot see but that our Queene Elizabeth may as well execute her stubborne and disobedient subiects whiche shee as yet neuer did that withstande Gods woorde and will needes followe papistrie and idolatrie And further if Queene Mary had a lawe to burne the seruantes of God that were obedient to her concerning their worldly dutie and neuer ment her harme Then why may not our Queene Elizabeth make a Lawe to execute the popes seruantes that are bounde to be her
louing subiectes which are disobedient vnto her and that seeke procure desire and wishe her death and distruction Therefore be thankefull to God that hath giuen you and vs such a mercifull prince to raigne ouer vs and loue and obey her that giueth you for iustice mercie and for extremitie lenitie And nowe as her grace doth refraine from that shee may doe so prouoke not her 〈◊〉 to that shee can doe And as I sayde thinke not that her grace can not vse the swoord against you because shee hath not vsed it for if you thinke so you do not onely deceaue your selues but also do much abuse her Maiestie in that you seeme thereby to make her a Prince without powre whereby you are vnwoorthie of the great mercie shee sheweth vnto you What seruant is so foolishe to thinke muche more to say that because his master doeth not beate him for his fault therefore he can not beate him Because the mercifull father doth not beate his sonne for his offence that maketh not that he can not beate him for the same Shall her clemencie and mercie make you thinke in her disabilitie Therefore if any of you thinke so as I beleeue some of you haue said so you are not worthie of such a merciful mistres that vseth you so Thus farre haue I written to this ende in my said booke whereby it appeareth most manifestly that my drift was altogether to she we forth her Maiesties great lenitie and mercie And that shee hath as great powre and authoritie as Q. Marie had to make lawes and to vse the swoorde with seueritie iustice as well as shee as appeareth by the whole circumstaunce of the matter both before and after which you of purpose did not onely leaue out but also did so choppe and chaunge my wordes to discredite me withall that they had neyther good sentence nor sence And this is the verye cause and grounde why I wrote the saide wordes that you 〈◊〉 vnhonestly altered And though you mislike my eloquence yet I hope the indifferent reader will not thinke y t these my argumēts are so fonde and sencelesse and so disorderly couched as you would haue made them beleeue by your wrested and altered words If they marke but your woordes that you wrote in steade of mine and conferre my comparison betweene Queene Marie and her Maiestie with your wordes they may soone see your malicious meaning For where you haue written The papistes crye vpon their Queene Marie and wee crye vpon our Queene Elizabeth I haue no such wordes at all And morouer within sixe of your lines after you haue fathered these wordes vpon me Why then howe can papistes be otherwise but English enemies and extreeme enemies to Englande If I haue any such sentence or woordes I will yeelde vnto you and bee one of the popes Iesuites which to be I woulde be loth You might haue thought me to be a very dolt if I should go about to proue papists to be english enemies because the Queenes maiestie was a kings daughter and a kings sister You your selfe are so cunning in finding out of such mysticall causes that I am not able to compare with you therein for first you made that M. Nicols going from Wales to England and from thence to Flaunders and so to Rome from Rome to the pulpit in the Towre of London was the cause that he was borne at Combridge in Wales Then after you would seeme to proue that I was a musition because I was a rimer and nowe thirdely because you woulde haue me to be a citer of your causes you woulde make your reader beleeue that I prooue that papistes must needes bee extreeme enemies to england because the Queenes Maiestie was king Henries daughter and king Edwards sister But truely you are tried before to bee so cunning and experte in finding out of the causes of thinges that this deepe profound cause y e is alledged for the prouing of papists to be extreeme enemies to england is of your own inuention for they know that my wit is to weake and my learning to light to find out such a mysticall cause It had been enough for Peter 〈◊〉 to haue 〈◊〉 this argument the prouer of the popes powre that saide because Peter paide the tribute money for Christ himself therfore the pope hath authoritie ouer the whole Church of God And because Christ saide to Peter followe thou me and againe launche forth in the deepe and because Peter drew his sword and cut off Malcas eare therefore the pope hath authoritie of the whole Churche of God This had been a fitter argument for him then for mee Also this argument had been more meet for pope Innocent than for me which woulde proue that the Moone being inferiour to the Sunne therefore the Emperour was inferior to the Pope And that the Emperoute is a thousande folde inferior to him because God hath made two lights in heauen Which is the Sunne and the Moone These such like arguments are more meete for Popes then Protestants And now for that you Iesuites are sworn to the pope Therefore this argument that papists are English enemies and extreeme enemies to Englande because Queene Elizabeth is as well a kings daughter and a kings sister as Q. Marie is a more 〈◊〉 argument for a Iesuite then for a 〈◊〉 If the indifferent reader consider mine own words before written he can spie no such thing as you charge mee withal But may 〈◊〉 perceiue that I wrote the same only to proue that y t Queenes maiestie hath as great powre to vse y e sword and to make laws against her obstinate and disobedient subiects as Queene Mary had And that it is as lawfull for her grace to punish and execute her obstinate disobedient subiects as for Queene Marie to punish and execute her louing and harmelesse subiects the professors of the Gospel that obey her with due obedience Therefore it is no great matter for you to proue that I am neither eloquent nor learned if you may chop change my words foist in your own at your plesure as you haue done Tullie was an eloquent writer yet if I shoulde chop and change his works writings putting in leauing out what I list in the same I could make him seeme quickly to haue but small eloquence Plato and Aristotle were learned Philosophers yet I coulde make them seeme vnlearned if I shoulde vse their bookes as I thought good Salamon was the wisest mā that euer was except Christ whose wordes if I shoulde backe and choppe thrust in and pull out what I list as you haue done I coulde make him see me to bee no very wise writer And as it is no great matter for you to say and prooue that a man can not goe when before you haue cut off his legges So it is a verye easie thing for you to make your reader 〈◊〉 that I haue neyther eloquence learning nor wit when you