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A95991 A true narrative of som [sic] remarkable-proceedings concerning the ships Samson, Salvador, and George, and several other prize-ships depending in the High Court of Admiralty; humbly presented to the Parliament of the Common-wealth of England, and the Councell of State, and the Councell of Officers of his excellency the Lord Generall. / By Tho. Violet of London, gold-smith. Violet, Thomas, fl. 1634-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing V593; Thomason E1070_4; ESTC R208665 74,616 123

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no doubt will leave no stone unroled to prevent us in that particular if great care be not taken in this businesse All the Premisses considered I humbly desire your Honor that the Councel of State may know of these my most humble propositions and take such Order in it as the greatnesse of the cause requires for the safety and benefit of the Common-wealth all which I humbly submit to your Honors great wisdome and remaine My Lord your humble servant THO. VIOLET Decemb. 8. 1652. Monday the 13. of December 1652. At the Councel of State at White-hall ORDERED That Master Thomas Violet doe assist in the behalfe of the Common-wealth in the prosecution of this present Suit in the high Court of Admiralty against the ships Samson Salvador and George And that hee doe repaire to Doctor Walker Advocate for the Common-wealth and acquaint him from time to time what hee hath to offer on the behalfe of the Publique in Reference to the said Ships Ex. John Thurloe Cleark of the Councel A Breviat of severall Papers delivered to Doctor Walker severall of the Committee of Forraigne affaires since tht 13. of December 1652. to the 27. of January 1652. according to an Order of the Councel of State of the 13 of December last concerning severall prize-ships and the silver and merchandize therein with a Letter to Doctor Walker the 29. of January 1652. concerning all the Premisses Dr. WALKER My service presented SIR the Bullion Money and Merchandize at present under question in the ships Sampson Salvador and George depending in the Admiralty is of so great and considerable a value and of so high concernment in president and other relation to the Common-wealth and most of it so probable to prove lawfull prize if timely and duly prosecuted and the passengers in the said ships and other witnesses I have presented to Master Bud to be examined it behoves the State as I humbly conceive not to suffer these ships to passe as many ships of great value since the warre with the Netherlands have done to the unspeakable dammage of this Nation it being no new thing for the Hollanders in time of warre to saile under the colours and names and with the cockets of Hamborough or some other of the Hanse-townes for they did it all the while they had warres with Spayne nor for the ships of the Hance-townes Ostenders and Dunkirkers to bee transporters of Dutch goods through our Seas from and to all parts of Christendome especially Spayne Nay many times the better to countenance their ship or ships shall be built in Holland and formerly sold to some friend or correspondent in Hamborough Emden Lubeck Dunkirk Ostend or the like and for the better colour called the Lion or Dove c. of som of the aforesaid places when really and actually it belongs to Holland or Zealand and for instance whereof one of the ships now in question stiles it self by the name of the Hamborough of Hamborough and is certainly known and will be proved to belong to Rotterdam and so no question will many more of the ships under arest prove to belong to some towne of Holland and the united Provinces when strictly and duly examined Nor is it any new practise for publique Ministrs of other States to make use of their function and Masters Roabe to befriend the subject of their Allies in case of the like nature of clayming Treasure and Merchandize wherein the native trade as in this may be concerned or were it not but for the advantage of salvage in such cases conived at and many times by the instructions of their superiors allowed to publique ministers as perquisites of their imployments they many times gaining more by such avenies then by their constant salaries I have often heard sir Lewis Dives say that when he lived in Spayne with his father in law the earle of Bristoll and the Lord Cottington they did doe the same for the Dutch in Spayne as is now offered for the Dutch in England And I beleeve there are some forraigne Princes agents in England at this time that understand to make their particular profit in this conjuncture of time as well if not better then eyther the earle of Bristoll or the lord Cottington did in Spayne and upon this ground and for this end it is more then probable that some publique agents appeare in this present question in the Admiralty not that eyther their Master or his subjects in all likelyhood are otherwise concerned nor he or they warranted therein but only for their particular profit Sir this is not a common cause and I see you take it so by your care you keepe your word you bid me find proofe and you will hold the ships and silver let some of the Judges talke what they please you will discharge your trust Sir the state of Spayne is rarely known to have sent or transported any bars of silver or coyne on their owne or other ships whatsoever to the prejudice of their Mint that being most absolute contrary to their lawes which makes transporting money death without the Kings originall Licence had the Merchants one they would have shewed it before now True it is often stoln away by the Dutch which is done without the Kings warrant bills of store or publique allowance and so you will finde this is and thereby the more lyable to question and upon strict examination it will be cleerely proved prize if the Dutch should cozen us of this money now they are ranting in the Downes the Commonwealth would suffer extraordinarily Therefore all persons that claime this silver I humbly conceive ought to be prest to declare specially and particularly whether he or they pretend the money or bullion or any part of it to be the King of Spaynes peculiar Treasure or his subjects and if so he or they ought to shew some speciall and authentique Warrant or Order of his or their Masters or Officers for it Registred in the ports of Spayne and also to prove that by authentique witnesses by some of his Masters subjects at the place or Port of S. Lucar or Cadiz and attested here by like originall bills from the officers of the Customes in Spayne which bills of lading correspondent and their authentique duplicats with letters of consignement suteable the Pursers bookes of entries with all the particular and respective marks agreeing with the bills of lading bills of store and letters of consignement and all the markes of the bars and bags duly Registred either for the King of Spayne or his particular subjects If they cannot spell and speake all this perfectly justly and truly at the Port of saint Lucar or Cadiz they may faile of their ends for all their confident clayming and the like might every Merchant pretender doe or fail of his Nor can the Articles of the old League supposing it to be renued and confirmed by this Common-wealth excuse the ships Sampson Salvador and George under question from a search as
chiefe of them at least he shall be taken under the notion of the Lawe for a Pirot or common enemie if he have any such and will not shew them when required at Sea or that any of them be justly to bee suspected by the Commander that requires them such Master my be brought before the Court of Admiraltie or a Court of Delegates for his tryall and if there he refuse to cleere himselfe ship goods and every part of his lading by the respective waies of proof and warrants before mentioned or that the Captain Master or Purser have torn imbezeled or flung away any letters of advice or bills of lading or forging false bills or names if proved or any miscarriage as aforesaid such refusall and practises in other Countries is accounted a high contempt to the authority of the Nation by which such Court sits and for a sufficient ground to an imediat confiscation Sir if this be not made a Law in England for the future and the like for any Master or Purser of any strangers ship passing the Seas of this Common-wealth upon summons that shall present unto the Commander or Judge false bills or Cockets and to conceale any part of their lading or facultie and not to discover the proper owners to whom or from whom they are consigned this Nation will deerely finde much of that which might help to maintaine the Warre will goe besides and the State will still be deluded by the Dutch as they have beene to the value of about two Millions since August last for it is an usuall custome with traders of all Nations especially the Dutch and Easterlines in time of Warre to carry to Sea as many Cockets as Colours and as many severall bills as they feare enemies or question and if they be surprized can at a very short warning procure and counterfeit what may serve their turnes And this you shall finde to be the true state of the ships Sampson Salvador and George with all their lading and silver Wherefore and for which cause chiefly the strictnesse aforementioned is used in other Nations viz. to prevent collusion Sir in France one parcell of goods found consigned to an enemy confiscates the ship and goods In Spayne or Holland a barrell of butter or a case of Pistolls consigned but as a present to a friend shall doe the like and I hope the same civill-lawe we receive from them shall by us be put on them now these ships are in judgement before you in England it is for the honor and safety of this Nation I presse and I see you doe your utmost would I could say so of the rest in trust in the Admiralty Sir it is to bee feared that if this Common-wealth doe not make some necessary additions to their Sea-lawes and give some new Rules and Instructions to their Court of Admiralty to prevent the many abuses put on us by the Dutch in the businesse of the States prizes other Nations will gaine advantage by our neglect or over easines it appearing that for want of such amendment or at the least not understanding those lawes in force by our Sea Commanders c. many a rich ship hath escaped their hands and safely arived in Holland since the War which the Dutch began to the value of above one million of money by that way and no lesse to be suspected that the enemy by his subtle taking advantage of the old and too gentle practice of our Court of Admiralty and chiefly by their not being put to pleade specially may probably get these that remaine now under question to be freed likewise if not timely looked unto and thereby the State farther abused and prevented the enemy encouraged and enabled whiles our owne honest Merchants sit at home and breake or thrive not a fatall mischief to this Common-wealth our enemies gayning upon the matter what we lose or let passe and to breake this confederacy the State must make sharpe lawes and then see them strictly put in execution the meanes left for remedy is securing at present the ships and goods and silver which lies under question and I conceive ought carefully to be looked after Sir I finde some in power and trust forward to gratifie the Dutch in this particular to the unspeakeable damage and hazard of this Nation to prevent which I humbly propound this way viz. 1. Sir I offer in my owne name as for the intrest of the Common-wealth to protest against the late acts and proceedings of the Court of Admiraltie to pray respit of Judgement and to appeale to a Court of Delegates according to the Statute 2. A Commission being granted thereupon to some select knowing and approved Persons whereof some chief to be of the Coram and before them proving the daily imbezelment of the silver the unsafety of the goods and the apparent danger of their imbezeling whiles they remaine on ship-board which by affidavit and other good testimony may easily be proved Sir I pray that the goods mony especially may be brought a shore and secured in safe ward untill the cause be returned and for better information of the Delegates that all former proceedings of the ordinary Court of Admiraltie touching the premisses in question by name may be returned into that Court and my selfe Ordered and impowred with a large Commission in severall respects for enabling me to doe this service This cause being agreeable not only with the laws of this Common-wealth but consonant to the customs lawes and uzance of all other Nations in cases of like eminencie and doubt the conveniences thereof will be 1. It will put a stop to most of the abuses and inconveniences afore mentioned without blemish to the former proceedings of the Court of Admiraltie redeeme the cause from that losse it is now in danger of and disappoint many mens expectations who have laid a designe to cozen the State of this treasure and lay a foundation to Rules and give matter for further instruction for the government of that Court a businesse of great concernment to the safety of the Nation in this present conjuncture of time 2. Whiles the cause is but removed into a higher Court and depends there in order only untill a legall tryall neither any publique Agent nor other pretender whoever can justly complain especially they having given so great a cause of jealousie by claiming more then their owne in owning other mens treasure and by refusing to produce speciall proofes for what they pretend to it being at worst but lex talionis we finde the same measure abroad in all like courts of Christendome at this present I humbly conceive the affaires of the Common-wealth doe not stand in such a posture that they should suffer themselves to be cozened of foure hundred thousand pounds now I have discovered the fraud to them this money will save taxes it will set the Mint on worke and fill the Common-wealth with money and for every one I displease I shall please a hundred
honest men that are true lovers of their Countrey 3. Sir whiles the plate Bullion or other goods remaines aboard the ships and in the Masters custody they pretend an Interest by possession and taking hold of some ill-customes and prejudiciall Rules of our court of Admiralty you the Common-wealths Advocate are put to proove the goods in question to bee our enemies Sir the goods and monies being once brought a shore and in the States p●…session or under ward by order of the Justice they which were Defendants before must be Complaynants and of course prove their Interest especially and upon authentique testimonies out of the bookes of customes and Records in Spayne whereby many an advantage will accrue in evidence for the States availe the money for want of sufficient Warrants to transport it or of speciall Laders to owne and justifie the Bills of lading to bee truely and justly entred at S. Lucar or Cadiz will undoubtedly be most of it the Common-wealths and if the money be gained certainly much of the goods will endanger the same fortune 4. In case any difficulties should happen in proofe or scruple upon any thing offered in evidence on the other side the Court may thereon take time for better information by intelligence from abroad both in Spayne and Holland and other parts and no question much advantage themselves by overtures of proof on the contrary part 5. Honored sir suppose the Common-wealth should at present have any treaty of friendship in hand which they would not have willingly obstructed or disordered or any enemy whom they would willingly invite by kindnesse which seldome succeeds to expectation the Duch being a stubborne people here are many helps for both advantages of both kindes they may gratifie themselves or friends as they please and pendente lite take what time they please for eyther 6. And lastly In case in the meane time the Common-wealth shall have any present use of this treasure they may take an occasion at the cost of a complement to draw all the Bullion and silver through their Mint the worst of it being only to promise restitution in case any part of it should prove lawfull prize a conveniency which no state in Christendom having like occasion would bauke or deny it selfe in so faire an oportunity for which there wants no presidents in the best times of government under Monarchy in several presidents in Queene Elizabeths time from which it can be no disadvantage for this Common-wealth to take some examples especially in things belonging to forraigne affaires THO. VIOLET 29. January 1652. SEverall of these Papers with some alterations and additions I also delivered to the Committee of forraigne affaires to Doctor Clarke Advocate for the Common-wealth M. Wilson M. Oxenbridg and M. Sparrow Commissioners for Duch prize goods with a list of about fourscore witnesses part of them have beene examined in the Court of Admiralty and some of them told me they could not be alowed to have put down what they said to the examiner and three of them holding their hands before their eyes said that Spanish silver had put out the eyes of some in the Court of Admiraltie and if there were not some stricter care taken about the States prizes the Hollander would laugh in his sleeve to see how they daily had cozened us and these persons were Master Long and his two sonnes all three ship Carpenters and people that had for about thirty yeeres lived in Holland and came over in obedience to the Act that calls ship carpenters home out of forraigne Countries and they knew some of these ships that have beene discharged the Court to bee Holland ships and several of the mariners and masters of ships to belong to the people of the united Provinces I carried them downe to view the ships that were under question and we found many shot and torne and yet these ships have beene discharged I seeing the combination of several of the Court of Admiralty to neglect their duty did sit up together many nights and dayes and never slept in that time with the assistance of severall men to write night and day I did by Gods assistance and my intelligence get full proofe to entitle the State to the silver to make it all prize as appears by my Letter to master David Bud the Proctor for the Commonwealth fol. 90. 91. 92. 93. THO. VIOLET Doctor Walker SIR you may be pleased upon perusall of these Papers to see cleerly that I looke not after the coyning of the silver but will also by Gods assistance prove that almost all the silver in every one of these ships remayning here is lawfull prize the like I shall doe for almost all the goods a shipboard notwithstanding some in the Court of Admiralties forwardnesse for the cleering of them truely Sir I humbly tell you the English proverb will proove true in this particular That soft fire makes sweete Mault and I am sure in this businesse haste hath made wastes in so high a nature that if it had not beene timely prevented by mee the losse had beene irreparable to this Common-wealth to have had this silver come unto the Duch in this conjuncture of time Sir for the treasure a shipboard the George Sampson Salvadore the Peter the Michael and severall other ships that came in company all together from Cadiz the thirteenth of October 1652. that is a thing impossible but that the State must have for lawfull prize above nine parts of ten of all the Treasure aboard any of the aforesaid ships if you pursue the order of this note I herewith send you Sir it is for the safety of the State their well being depends thereon that makes me so earnest in this businesse night and day I have it from knowing hands that it is agreeable to the civill-Lawe by prime men that know by practise in forraigne Countries these things to bee true And therfore I doe most humbly recommend them to your just care as you have most worthily done for which I give you humble thanks Moreover I humbly tell you I have proofe the silver in these ships was stolne a shipboard by night by the Spanish Bravos or Boatmen some of the ships lay foure moneths in the Harbour of Cadiz only looking for the Spanish fleete and this is known unto all honest Merchants an ordinary course for the Hamburgers every yeere to doe the same and that these ships stole in by night for sixteene or seventeene nights together several parcels of silver and that the silver so stolne a shipboard was in returnes of goods sent to the West Indies which were goods sent by the Hollanders formerly and by their owne confession if the silver were taken it would be confiscated by the Common-wealth of England also it will be prooved when the said ships came away from Spayne they all stole away without leave Sir these things according to my order from the Councel of State I humbly present unto you for the service
London by order of the Honorable Hous of Co. the 6. of Januarie 1643. was committed prisoner to the Tower where your Petitioner remained almost four years the said Rilye beeing discharg'd out of the Tower within a year from the time of his commitment his Estate never sequestred or taken away your Petitioner having acted nothing in that business without the approbation of the said Theophilus Rilye And your Petitioner had a Pass to go to Oxford by the Lord General Essex and an Order from the then-Hous of Commons and the Committee of both England and Scotland were by your Petitioner's appointment made acquainted that your Petitioner was within few daies to bring up a Letter from the late King to the Citie for peace which your Petitioner desired Sir David Watkins to acquaint the Parlament with before ever your Petitioner went to Oxford My humble suit is therefore that Sr David Watkins and Mr Rilye may bee examined of the truth of this Your Petitioner acted nothing in this business but by Order and what the Parlament or som prime Members knew of and did consent to the doing of it That during the time of your Petitioner's restraint your Petitioners Estate was by the Committees of Essex Salop Middlesex and London sequestred and taken away Your Petitioner's Estate in Essex beeing by Order of Parment granted unto certain persons through whose informations your Petitioner was sequestred who since the grant and obtaining thereof have never made good their allegations or informations or anie part thereof although by several Orders of the honorable Committee of Essex and Salop in pursuance of an Order of the honorable the Barons of the Exchecquer they have been required to make good their charge against your Petitioner as by the said Orders may appear neither hath your Petitioner during the time of his said imprisonment nor since though to the uttermost of his power endeavored daily and solicited at the Hous-doors been hitherto able to obtain a hearing of his caus whereby all your Petitioner's Estate hath for this nine years last past been out of your petitioner's hands to his utter ruine without the relief of this honorable Hous Your Petitioner humbly praieth that the said sequestration may bee taken off and that all Lands Bonds Bills Leases Moneys Goods Debts Offices Extents Writings and Evidences of what nature soever in whose custodie the same or any part thereof is beeing and remaining maie bee restored to your Petitioner And that a just account may bee given Your Petitioner of the profits received ever since the sequestration by such person or persons who have received the same Your Petitioner humbly praieth this the rather for that hee ever since his enlargement out of the Tower hath don many good and faithful services for the Common-wealth to the best of his skill and power as is known as well to the honorable Council of State as to several honorable Members of this honorable Hous And Your Petitioner shall praie c. THO. VIOLET A Copie of the late King's Letter to the Lord Major and Aldermen of the Citie of London Charls Rex TRustie and well-beloved wee greet you well when wee remember the many Acts of Grace and Favor Wee and our Roial Predecessors have conferred upon that our Citie of London and the many examples of dutie and loialtie for which that Citie hath been likewise famous Wee are willing to believ notwithstanding the great defection wee have found in that place that all men are not so degenerated from their affection to Us and to the peace of the Kingdom as to desire a continuance of the miserie they now feel and therefore beeing informed that there is a desire of som principal persons of that Citie to present a Petition to us which may tend to the better procuring a good understanding between Us and that our Citie whereby the peace of the whole Kingdom may bee procured Wee have thought fit to let you know that wee are ready to receiv any such Petition and the persons who shall bee appointed to present the same to us shall have a safe conduct and you shall assure all our good subjects of that our Citie whose hearts are touched with any sens of dutie to Us or love to the Religion and Laws established in the quiet and peaceable fruition whereof they and their Ancestors have enjoied so great happiness that wee have neither passed any Act nor made any profession or protestation for the maintenance and defence of the true Protestant Religion and the Liberties of the Subject which wee will not most strictly and religioussy observ and for the which wee will bee alwaies ready to give them any securitie can bee desired and of these Our gracious Letters Wee exspect a speedy answer from you and so Wee bid you farewel By his Majestie 's Command George Digbie Given at our Court at Oxford on the 19th year of Our Reign 26th Decemb. 1653. Upon the bringing up to London of the aforesaid Letter I Tho. Violet of London Gold-smith was examined before an honorable Committee of Parlament at Gold smith's Hall Januarie 3 1643 where I made the Committee acquainted that I had acted nothing but by order of Mr Theophilus Riley Scout-master of the Citie of London who was autorized by Ordinance of both Houses of Parlament and by Act of the Common-Council of the Citie of London to hold intelligence in any of the King's quarters and that the said Theophilus Riley by virtue of his place did procure my Pass from the Hous of Commons to go to Oxford the 25 December 1643 as will appear by the Journal-books in the Hous of Commons and that my Lord General Essex did give mee a Pass to go to Oxford the 27 of Decemb. by Sr Arthur Haslerig's and Sr David Watkin's means both which Warrants were procured for Mee Tho. Violet by Theophilus Riley Scout-master and one of the Militia of the Citie of London and the parties aforesaid and that the said Theophilus Riley and I Tho. Violet and Sr David Watkins had made several Members of Parlament and Committee of both Nations acquainted with the Letter before ever wee sent it to Oxford to have the King Sign it and wee had their approbation for doing the same and I Tho. Violet did plead justification for my doing thereof before the said Committee having the Warrant and approbation of the Common-wealth's Scout-master Moreover I declared that there was not then at the time of my bringing up of the late King's Letter beeing the 2d of Januarie 1643 any Order or Ordinance to forbid mee or any other person to bring up a Letter of Peace from the late King besides I told the Committee that by God's Law where there is no Law there can bee no transgression and my bringing the late King's Letter up to London before a law made to shew mee my Rule to walk by I beeing the King's Servant I humbly conceived could bee no offence whereupon the honorable Committee
Mint in the Tower of London Sir There are som men when they behold a hous ready finished they do not at the first apprehend the several pins and beams and materials that make 's and frame 's the building there is many a nail driven which the Spectator never see 's the builder that paie's for it hee onely keep 's that particular account as I have don for this Book Humbly present you I must confess this is but a thatched Cottage but it hath cost mee many years pains and trouble and great expence to present it to you in that ruff and unpollished shape it is in I have for many years night and daie had several helps and hands both in England and beyond-Seas from choice intelligencers and out of several manuscripts in the custodie of Sr John Cook when hee was Secretarie to the late King and since the Parlament I have got what I could by industrie from Merchants and others both at home and abroad at my great expence to make mee serviceable to my Countrie in studying the individual prosperitie of every man that is a true lover of this Common-wealth Sir Hee that travail's far in a Winter's daie had need to bee up before Sun-rising And such honorable Members as your self shall and have no doubt found the affairs of the Common-wealth left strangely intangled the 20. of April 1653. The great God of Heaven direct you to set all strait in the Common-wealth and that you may amend what you found amiss to the comfort of this Nation and to you and your posterities everlasting honor whereby this Common-wealth may bless God for you and other worthie Members of Parlament and Armie SIR There is a Rule in the State of Venice when their Embssadors com home the Senate there requireth them to give an account of the negotiations in Forreign parts and to declare the conditions manners fashions and powerfull parties and factions in those Kingdoms or Common-wealths from whence they return An Embassador of Venice returning from England in the late King Charles's time was according to custom to give his usual account in the Senate hee after a long Oration of the power of the Spanish Italian French Dutch and Scotch-interest in the Court of England their several influences on all the actions of the late King and his Counsel was required to give an account of the power and interests the English Natives had themselvs in their own Counsels to which the Embassador replied That the Natives themselvs had little or no power in the Court of England for though the King 's Privie Council had all English bodies yet they had Spanish French Dutch and Scotch hearts and many of them Forreign Prince's Pensioners and the true lovers of their Countrie the Natives of England had little power in their own Counsels the late King having a resolution to cast off all Parlaments and to rule by his own Prerogative The sad effects of those Counsels and thir miscarriages brought the late great miseries and Wars on this Nation May it pleas you Sir I would to God som men could not justly say the like during som time of the late Parlament many of their Counsellors and Members in the begining of the late Parlament speaking all perfit Scotch and Presbyterie and afterwards som of their late Counsellors perfect Spanish Dutch and French SIR I say I have found this a sad truth ten thousand pounds deep and better to my particular estate SIR let mee most humbly entreat you to bee instrumental with all the worthie Members of this present Parlament to remember they are English and to act upon true English principles esteeming the good of the Nation above all private respects and their faith and word once past is ever to bee kept either with particular men or States There was many Noble Gentlemen of the last Parlament labored it and studied to bring it about but they were over-powred by several parties and divisions even amongst themselvs if there bee any that hinder this good work in your Counsels I pray God to discover him and to amend and convert him or bring him to Justice That which I most humbly desire is for every man perfectly and freely with due reverence I humbly say it to the Supreme Autoritie to speak his Countrie 's language perfect English in all their words and actions to bee publick spirited men that is to studie the just peace wealth prosperitie and happiness of every individual member of this Nation and that they studie the restoring of Trade the erecting of Manufactures the setting all the poor on work to the relieving the aged and impotent even such as have been struck by God's hand or for their Countrie 's defence My most earnest suit to you is above all earthly things diligently to prepare Ships men and materials for to defend your Dominion of the Seas of this Common-wealth for without this you nor any one member in this Nation can call any thing their own longer then it shall bee lent them by the courtesies of our neighbor-Nation And what favor upon their prevailing can bee exspected by us from them their former courtesies in the East-Indies and their late actions apparently declare to every true English heart Upon honorable and just conditions for the good of both Nations God in his good time I hope and pray for that hee will finde a way to save his servant Isaac that is both English and Dutch and catch the Ram in the Bush I mean the Jesuits that lately kindled this fire and to this daie blow the coles between both Nations Noble SIR I have in this Narrative shewed you a Watch in pieces and som of the Wheels and Springs that make's the motion or els a Carpenter's Rule the inches and Mathematical lines Yet noble Sir I humbly tell you the shewing a man a Rule and a Watch doth not enable him without long studie tools and materials to make a Watch or a Rule I humbly saie I had rather bee a Carpenter by daily practice to know how to build a hous then a Mathematitian by Theorick which can talk of an hundred things in framing an hous but give him a Mallet Saw and Square hee know's not how to handle one of them So it is not the Theorick but the Practick part that can do this service which I have don for the Common-wealth Sir I humbly saie there must bee Men read as well as books and many years studie to do this service SIR I deliver not this paper to erect Offices and Imployments upon the recommendations of friends for any in Power to make such use of these my humble Proposals as som of the late Parlament have don viz. To put into great places of trust and skill ignorant and unskilful men or Rooks as many of your Treasurers and other Officers have been that by indirect waies have cram'd their purses and bought incredible vast possessions Their monies and lands they now have belong's truly to the