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A67437	The history & vindication of the loyal formulary, or Irish remonstrance ... received by His Majesty anno 1661 ... in several treatises : with a true account and full discussion of the delusory Irish remonstrance and other papers framed and insisted on by the National Congregation at Dublin, anno 1666, and presented to ... the Duke of Ormond, but rejected by His Grace : to which are added three appendixes, whereof the last contains the Marquess of Ormond ... letter of the second of December, 1650 : in answer to both the declaration and excommunication of the bishops, &c. at Jamestown / the author, Father Peter Walsh ...	Walsh, Peter, 1618?-1688.; Ormonde, James Butler, Duke of, 1610-1688. Articles of peace.; Rothe, David, 1573-1650. Queries concerning the lawfulnesse of the present cessation.	1673 (1673)	Wing W634; ESTC R13539	1,444,938	1,122

remit the Reader to such other Books and other places also in this same Book where he may find as much satisfaction as can be desired To clear in all respects whatsoever that very matter i. e. To evince as clear as the Sun shines in his brightest meridian glory That not even so much as that very species or kind of Apostasie which is or ought to be only grounded on the sin of disobedience or contumacy against some lawful Commands or Summons can be with any justice or truth objected to Me and Caron or to either of us No not even now in the year 1673 to me alone though I confess that I have my self alone since the 20th of September 1669 at several times opposed but Canonically opposed three several Citations or Summons and Commands at the instance and by the procurement of the late Bruxel-Internuncio Airoldi and other Roman Ministers abroad and their Irish Emissaries both abroad in other Countries and at home in Ireland but of purpose to suppress utterly the doctrine of the Remonstrance sent one after another from beyond Seas yea and from the lawful or acknowledged General Superiours of my own Order enjoining me under pain of Excommunication ipso facto latae to appear before them in Forreign Countries and within the term of time peremptorily prefix'd by them So much here by occasion of that second friendly Advertisement given me by my Lord of Ferns or of that great Romans having termed Me and Caron Apostates and whose Letter terming us so my Lord of Ferns did see although otherwise to treat here of that matter was I know Forreign enough to the main scope of my third Appendage which had been sufficiently treated before And therefore now There remains only the fourth and last of all the Appendages viz. A Paper of Animadversions given to the Lord Lieutenant and His Grace's Commands laid on the Procurator Upon or by occasion of which Paper I have no more to say but 1. That when the Commissioners of the National Congregation had presented His Grace the Lord Lieutenant their new Remonstrance or new Recognition and His Grace taking time to consider and examine throughly the import thereof had shewed it to such Lords of the Kings Privy Council in that Kingdom whom He thought fit to consult in that affair before He gave His Answer to the Congregation which long'd very much to know whether He would accept thereof as satisfactory one of the said Lords viz. the Earl of Anglesey then Vice-Treasurer of Ireland now at the writing hereof Lord Privy Seal in England drew briefly some material Animadversions upon it shewing its insignificancy and unsatisfactoriness in or as to the main points wherein the Fathers should have declared themselves 2. That soon after they i. e. that Congregation had dissolved His Grace was pleased to tell me of that Paper of Animadversions and together give me the very Original of which Original as I have it by me still so I give here a true exact Copy viz. Animadversions on the Remonstrance or Protestation of the Romish Clergy of Ireland subscribed the 15th day of June 1666. WE Your Majesties Subjects His Majesties satisfaction is the pretence of both these Remonstrances of this and of the former presented by Peter Walsh the Procurator of the Romish Clergy of Ireland 1661. If the former had not been in some degree satisfactory in England it had not been offered to their Subscriptions here Therefore in differing from that they must design either to offer more which is not pretended or less which will not be enough or only to alter the expression But as to that it is not probable that they would put themselves to any stress to find out better words to signifie their meaning than those which have already obtained some acceptance It may therefore be more than suspected that they decline that first Remonstrance because it is not lyable to so many reserves and uncertainties as they would have it and they will have another of their own which is more subject to what interpretations they shall please to put upon it The truth of which Conjecture is too evident by these following particulars differing from the former Remonstrance Undoubted Sovereign Seems to signifie only him who exercises Supreme Authority but the rightful Sovereign as it is expressed in the former is he who ought to exercise that Authority As any Subject ought to be to his Prince The Pope often pretending Authority directly or indirectly over Princes in Temporal affairs this expression secures not our King of their obedience against the pretensions of the Pope And as the Laws of God and Nature require I living in Ireland will obey the great Turk as far as the Laws of God and Nature require but the former Protesters will obey King Charles as far as the Laws and Government of this Kingdom require The Laws of God and Nature are general to all Mankind and every Rebel pretends to an observation of them They design not obedience to a particular King who will not regulate it by the particular constitution of his Kingdom We will inviolably bear true Allegiance That is in their own sense as far as the Laws of God and Nature require Some make the Pope Judge of the former but every man makes himself Judge of the latter The King must please both to be sure of these men No Power on Earth shall be able to withdraw us from our duty herein This is little significant seeing their duty is tryable only by the Laws of God and Nature of which the Pope and themselves are Judges But if they intend really to oppose any design of the Pope against the King why do they not say they will do it in that Paper which pretends to secure His Majesty in that particular Their obedience to the Pope is that which makes the jealousie of their disobedience to the King Therefore to clear themselves they should have renounc'd the Popes Authority as it may be opposite to the Kings If they dare not name opposition to him how can it be expected that they will oppose him And how careful they are not to give offence to the Pope we see by their clear leaving out almost the whole Paragraph in the former Remonstrance which secures particularly against his Vsurpations If they say they decline naming him in bare respect to him it seems they prefer their Complement beyond their duty but if that be it why then do they name him in their Subscriptions to the first Proposition of the faculty of Sorbon We will to the loss of our blood assert Your Majesties Rights But they are still no more than the Laws of God and Nature allows you The Laws of the Kingdom are insignificant It is not our Doctrine that Subjects may be discharged c. But doth their Doctrine condemn and anathematize such practises Or do they condemn and anathematize that Doctrine Do they condemn the Doctrine of Suarez Bellarmine Mariana Salmeron Becanus

under all the crimes thus falsly imputed to them it being their Adversaries principal design That the Irish whose Estates they enjoy should be reputed persons unfit and no way worthy any Title to your Majesties mercy That no wood comes amiss to make Arrows for their Destruction for as if the Roman Catholick Clergie whom they esteem most criminal were or ought to be a society so perfect as no evil no indiscreet person should be found amongst them they are all of them generally cryed down for any crime whether true or feigned which is imputed to one of them and as if no words could be spoken no Letter written but with the common consent of all of them the whole Clergie must suffer for that which is laid to the charge of any particular person amongst them We know what Odium all the Catholick Clergie lies under by reason of the Calumnies with which our Tenents in Religion and our Dependence upon the Popes Authority are aspersed And we humbly beg your Majesties pardon to vindicate both by the ensueing Protestation which we make in the sight of Heaven and in the presence of your Majesty sincerely and truly without equivocation or mental reservation We do acknowledge and confess your Majesty to be our true and lawful King Supream Lord and rightfull Soveraign of this Realm of Ireland and of all other your Majesties Dominions And therefore we acknowledge and confess our selves to be obliged under pain of Sin to obey your Majesty in all civil and temporal affairs as much as any other of your Majesties Subjects and as the Laws and Rules of Government in this Kingdom do require at our hands And that notwithstanding any power or pretension of the Pope or Sea of Rome or any sentence or declaration of what kind or quality soever given or to be given by the Pope His Predecessors or Successors or by any Authority Spiritual or Temporal proceeding or derived from Him or his Sea against your Majesty or Royal Authority We will still acknowledge and perform to the uttermost of our abilities our faithful Loyalty and true Allegiance to your Majesty And we openly disclaim and renounce all forreign Power be it either Papal or Princely Spiritual or Temporal in as much as it may seem able or shall pretend to free discharge or absolve us from this Obligation or shall any way give us leave or license to raise tumults bear arms or offer any violence to your Majesties Person Royal Authority or to the State or Government Being all of us ready not only to discover and make known to your Majesty and to your Ministers all the Treasons made against your Majesty or Them which shall come to our hearing but also to lose our Lives in the defence of your Majesties Person and Royal Authority and to resist with our best endeavours all conspiracies and attempts against your Majesty be they framed or sent under what pretence or patronized by what forreign power or authority soever And further we profess that all absolute Princes and Supream Governours of what Religion soever they be are Gods Lieutenants on Earth and that obedience is due to them according to the laws of each Commonwealth respectively in all Civil and Temporal affairs And therefore we do here protest against all Doctrine and Authority to the contrary And we do hold it impious and against the word of God to maintain that any private Subject may kill or murther the Anointed of God his Prince though of a different belief and Religion from his And we abhor and detest the practice thereof as damnable and wicked These being the Tenents of our Religion in point of loyalty and submission to your Majesties Commands and our Dependence of the Sea of Rome no way intrenching upon that perfect Obedience which by our Birth by all laws divine and humane we are bound to pay to your Majesty our natural and lawful Soveraign We humbly beg prostrate at your Majesties feet That you would be pleased to protect us from the severe persecution we suffer meerly for our profession in Religion leaving those that are or hereafter shall be guilty of other Crimes and there have been such in all times as well by their Pens as by their Actions to the punishment prescribed by the Law Fr. Oliver D●arcy Bishop of Dromore Fr. George Dillon of S. Fran. Ord. Guardian of the Irish Franciscans at Paris Fr. Philip Roch of S. Fran. Ord. Reader Gen. of Divinity Fr. Anthony Gearnon of S. Fran. Ord. one of Her Majesties the Queen Mothers Chapl. Fr. Iohn Everard of S. Fran. Ord. Conf. and Preac Fr. Anthony Nash of S. Fran. Ord. Conf. and Preac Fr. William Lynch of S. Fran. Ord. Conf. Fr. Nicholas Sall of S. Fran. Ord. Conf. and Preac Iames Cusack Doctor of Divinity Cornelius Fogorty Protonot Apost and Doctor of the Civil and Canon Law Daniel Dougan Divine Fr. Henry Gibbon of S. Aug. Ord. Conf. and Preac Fr. Redmund More of S. Dom. Ord. Conf. and Preac Bartholomew Bellew Dennis Fitz Ranna Bartholomew Flemming Fr. Redmund Caron of S. Fran. Ord. Reader jubilate of Divinity Fr. Simon Wafre of the same Order Reader of Divinity Fr. Iames Caverley of S. Fran. Ord. Conf. and Preac Fr. Iohn fitz Gerrald of S. Fran. Ord. Conf. and Preac Fr. Theobald Burk of S. Fran. Ord. Conf. and Preac Fr. Matthew Duff of S. Fran. Ord. Conf. and Preac Fr. Peter Geoghegan of S. Fran. Ord. Conf. and Preac Fr. Peter Walsh of S. Fran. Ord. Reader of Div. and Procurator of the Roman Catholick Clergy both Secular and Regular of Ireland This paper without any hands to it for the gentlemen that consulted of and drew it in this form did not then reflect on the necessariness of any subscription to it and if they had they saw the storm so great and furious raised suddenly against those men chiefly who should have subscribed it that it was impossible for them to meet even for any such or other end soever and yet the making of such address to His Majestie could not be delayed so as to send about to search for them where they could not be met with singly one by one but after too much time therefore I say this paper without any hands to it was delivered immediately to Father James Fitz Simons residing and hiding himself the best he could at Dublin to be sent together with the Proclamation of the Lords Justices and ordinances of Parliament and the forged letter of Mac Dermot the Priest and their own discoveries of the imposture to the above Father P. W. then at London as Procuratour of the Clergie to be presented by him to His Majestie and Lord Lieutenant and was accordingly sent and delivered him by the Earl of Fingale who had then some occasions of his own to goe for England Which the Procurator had no sooner received then after communicating all to some others of the Irish Clergy and Gentry then at London and press'd by them all to

unanimously in Tyr-Oen's Rebellion against the self-same heretical Queen as they call'd her not to mention here any way His Breve to Tyr-Owen himself (h) Dated in January the said year of His Popedom but of Christ 1601. And the Theological Judgment of the two famous Universities of Castile Salamanca and Valladolid (i) The former at Salamanca dated the second of February 1603. albeit the Jesuits Colledge there begun and Signed it before on the seventh of March 1602. the latter dated at Valadolid the eighth of March 1603. both justifying the lawfulness of Tyr-Oen and his Associates their taking Arms against the Queen and condemning as guilty of mortal sin all the other Roman-Catholick Irish that obeyed the Queen and fought against them for Her Majesty And the two several Breves of Paul V. (k) The first dated at St. Marks in Rome sub annulo Piscatoris x. Cal. Octob. 1606 and the second next year after which was the third of his Papacy dated likewise there at St. Marks on the 23d of August in the second and third year of His Papacy and both Breves directed to the Catholicks of England against the Oath of Allegiance made by King James in Parliament a little time before And lastly the other two several Breves of Vrban VIII (l) And that dated at St. Peters at Rome under the Signet of the Fisher May 30. 1626. whereof one was in like manner to the Catholicks of England exhorting them to lose their lives rather than be drawn to take noxium illud illicitum Anglicanae fidelitatis Juramentum quo non solum id agitur ut fides Regi servetur sed ut sacrum universae Ecclesiae sceptrum eripiatur Vicariis Dei omnipotentis c. that pernicious and unlawful Oath of Allegiance of England which His Predecessor of happy memory Paul V had condemned as such The other was that Bull or Breve of Plenary Indulgence (m) Dated 1643. May 25. given yet more lately to all the Roman-Catholicks of Ireland who had join'd in the Rebellion there begun in the year 1641 even that very Bull I mean which the Person of Quality objects in his Answer to P. W. Besides all these Publick Instruments and many more I omit of Paper and Parchment and Hands and Seals which are not denied nor can be on any sufficient ground witness in the second place all the no less unchristian than unhappy effects of these very Bulls Breves Judgments and Indulgences Particularly witness first the Rebellion of the Lincolnshire Twenty thousand men under that sturdy Monk Doctor Mackerel alias Captain Cobler and immediately after their suppression the much more terrible Insurrection of Forty thousand Yorkshire and other Northern men formed into a complete Army and even provided with a Train of Artillery calling themselves the Holy and Blessed Pilgrimage or the Pilgrimage of Grace and both Rebellions raised on pretence of Religion against Henry VIII (n) Two Rebellions in the year 1537. against Henry VIII Two more against King Edward VI. Several other in England and Ireland against Q. Elizabeth in the year 1537. Next those other two great Bodies of Northern and Western Roman-Catholick Zealots against his son King Edward VI and the latter marching into the Field with a Crucifix under a Canopy which instead of an Altar was set in a Cart accompanied with Crosses and Candlesticks and Banners and Holy Bread and Holy Water c. Then the unfortunate Earls of Northumberland and Westmerland with all their Adherents drawn so temerariously into the Field at Cliflord Moore not far from Wetherby in the West-riding of Yorkshire against their lawful Queen Elizabeth Then the Earls of Desmond Tyr-Oen Tyrconnel the Viscount Baltinglasse O Docharty and so many other Septs and Names as at several times Rebelled against Her in Ireland and from first to last continued there a long and doubtful War against Her Then the Invincible Armada (o) Spanish Invasion 1588. or Spanish Invasion in the memorable year 1588 besides those more private Plots of Parry Babington Savage Cullen Lopez Squire York and others to take away Her Life by Sword or Poyson Then against King James not only in Scotland (p) The armed Confederacy of several Earls in the year 1592. and while He was only King of Scotland the armed Confederacy of the Earls of Montrosse Bothwell Crawford Arrol Huntley Anguss the Lairds of Kinfawns of Fintrie and others in the year 1592 by the advice and at the sollicitation of the Jesuits Hay Creighton Abircrumby Tyrie but in England (q) Gunpowder-Treason Nov. 5. 1605. after coming to that Crown also both against Him and all the Three Estates of that Kingdom in Parliament assembled the most Execrable design of the Powder-pl●t Traytors on the Fifth of November 1605 besides other Designs and less famed Contrivances formerly both in England and Scotland against His own Person Liberty and Life Lastly Under King Charles I of Glorious Memory the Universal Rebellion or Insurrection which you please to call it of all the Roman-Catholicks of Ireland (r) The Irish Rebellion 1641. a very few excepted against His said Maiesties Laws Authority and Deputies of that Kingdom in 1641 their Confederacy formed and War continued by them for so many years after and even Two several Peaces (s) The first Peace in the year 1646 and the second in the year 1648. with His Majesties LORD LIEUTENANT in that interim so scandalously violated by the prevailing Party amongst them To all which matters of Fact of both kinds relating only to the proper and even latter as well affairs as times of these Kingdoms of England Ireland and Scotland if we please to add the strictest Oath of Fidelity that can be imagined which all even our own Archbishops Bishops and Abbots do and must take at their Consecration that I may pass over now in silence not only the other Oath which all Beneficed Church-men whatsoever that have Collation or Institution by Bull from His Holiness nay all graduated Lawyers and Physitians do likewise take but also the false and yet both practical and general interpretation of the solemn vow of Obedience which all even our very Regulars do make there can be nothing more desired to shew That we need not go higher up than our own Dayes and our Fathers nor farther off than the peculiar Concerns of these very Nations to instance both manifestly and abundantly such practises as in all respects are answerable to the very worst of those Principles to which they relate VIII That notwithstanding the great multitude of Roman-Catholick Writers and greater authority of other Patrons of the same Church viz. the Roman Bishops themselves commonly these last 600 years maintaining even the very highest Enormities of the now related both Principles and Practises yet even continually since the very first time that any 〈◊〉 in those Principles or any lawfulness in those Practices hath been asserted either by Pope Hildebrand Himself

for the quarrel of God and for the defence of their Religion Nunc ergo O Filii aemulatores estate legis date animas vestras pro testamento Patrum vestrorum And cap. 13. we find vos scitis quanta ego fratres mei Domus patris mei fecimus pro legibus pro sanctis praelia I know the Author of the Book of the defence of the Remonstrance or Protestation saith that the Machabees made war through ignorance because they understood not their own law nor had the light of the law of Jesus Christ but he must give us leave not to believe him until he produceth some more warrantable authority then his bare word God having justified their war with miracles I have heard some say being pressed by this and other arguments that the wars of the Machabees were just not for that they fought for Gods cause or in defence of their Religion but because the true Prince retaineth his right alwayes and can recover his Kingdom again by force of arms if occasion serveth and he be able though his people be conquered and in a long and continued subjection to another King And therefore the Machabees had right to recover Iudea from the Gentile King and for this reason the war was just of their side But this evasion is a very slight one first because the Machabees are not praised for fighting for that cause but for their Religion Secondly because they had no right to the Crown of Iudea but the Progenitors of our Saviour Jesus Christ but they kept the command to themselves and never gave it to the right line of succession to the Crown among the Jews Besides none will presume to say that the wars of the late Earl of Tyrone against the Crown of England were just though his Ancestors were Kings of Ulster or Monarchs of Ireland What a probable opinion is and when a man may lawfully follow it Potest quis sequi tanquam probabilem opinionem unius doctoris probi docti maximé si adducat aliquam rationem intrinsicê probabilem et non sit contra opinionem communem Ita Sanches et undecimiali Non tamen si ab aliis Recentioribus valde famigeratis recitatur Ita Bresserus et alii Neque eo ipso quo invenitur impressa in aliquo Authore censeri potest probabilis .. Neque approbatio libri approbat omnes ejus opinniones Ita Marchantius et omnes alii communiter Let the Affirmative and the Negative of the above proposed question be be considered with the Reasons and Authors of both sides If they find reasons and authors according to what is laid down here concerning what is a probable opinion he may follow which part he pleaseth otherwise he cannot not follow it as a probable opinion XXVIII That forasmuch as in the Procuratour's Answers to their two or three former Queries they had had particularly cleerly his answer to this also that he found no new matter in this second paper but pitiful though replyes in effect which they can reasons for the affirmative yet such replyes as are grounded solely on the bare saying or opinion either of Pontius one of their own Society or of a confused rabble of such other Neoterick Schoolmen thronging together and treading in the stepps one of another like a flock of sheep without further serious ponderation of the nature of things in themselves or of those reasons would render such their saying intrinsecally probable or even extrinsecally from any decision or at least from any manifest determination obliging to submit unto nor found any thing more then either a full conviction of their not being conversant in those great Classick Authors Gerson Maior Almaine Johannes Parisiensis c. or the precedent or example of the Macchabees rebelling against Antiochus and the answer of the Procuratour to it in his little book entitled The More Ample Account this imperfectly related as ill considered and that worst of all applyed to maintain their affirmative resolve or a power in the Christian Church as purely such to inflict by force of Arms and by virtue of a Divine supernatural power corporal punishments upon any therefore and because too that none came ever after to own this second paper or demaund his rejoynder and moreover because themselves that sent it whoever they were did no longer insist upon it or any thing contain'd therein as shall be seen hereafter he lay'd it by as unsignificant for other purpose then to relate the folly of men that maugre all Christianity abuse themselves and others with such like silly and weak or false or only negative arguments For besides that if they had been pleased to consult Barclay the Father Son against Bellarmine and Widdrington's so many learned works against both the same Eminent Cardinal 's several books writt on this subject bearing either his own proper name or those of Tortus Sculkenius c as also against all the choycest arguments even of Cardinal Peron and so many others of the Society as Parsons and G●etzer and fitz Herbert and Lessius personated under the name of Singleton or if they pleased to read what those other excellent Professors of Divinity of S. Benedicts Order Father Preston and Green apologized for themselves most learnedly to the Pope Gregory the XIIII they would have not only seen the vanity of their maxime of Statists or philosophers as here made use of or of Aristotle in particular so ill understood by them but that meaning of it or that the coercive power must be of the same kind with the directive to be that which was of a great number of most famous Classick Authors of the School besides that it was in all ages the doctrine of the Church and of even all the holy Fathers till Gregory the VII and that meaning also for what concerns our purpose deduced out of clear and evident Scriptures as those most famous Classick Authors perswaded themselves I say that besides all this if the authors of this Quaerie and second paper had considered a little their own allegations here and the arguments to the contrary they would find them partly false and partly unconcluding XXIX First they would find them false where they say that such as hold the negative can scarce produce one Classick Author c. and such as hold the affirmative may produce as many as ever wrote ex professo of this matter and if they mean only that Basilius Pontius sayes so they will find him too notoriously false if they please to consult Alensis Maior Gerson Almain Johannes Parisiensis c. not to speak a word of all or any of the holy Fathers nor of so many whole entire Vniversities nor of the common sense and practise of so many millions of the whole Catholick Church in all ages till Gregory the VII and after that believed and acknowledg'd themselves as a Church of Christ purely such to have no other coercion but

them as he knowes would otherwise endeavour to do me ill Offices at Rome and render me the more unservicable there and at home after to His Majestie and your Grace I confess My Lord this reservedness argues some weakness or fearfulness in me and yet I cannot help it otherwise at present or until at least we have some further certainty of the Popes silence then we have yet then by assuring your Grace in the faith of a Christian that I will during life observe most religiously in the whole latitude words and sence of it according to the explication of the Author unto me that Protestation And indeed my Lord I can assure your Grace further that it is no new Iudgement nor new affection of my Soul that works in me now but that which I have had these many years past been very much inclined to and which moreover the sufferings of my Predecessors and unfortunate family I am of ever since Henry the 8. for the Crown of England hath in some measure made natural to me For the rest my Lord I have begd of the bearer that he would from time to time let me know your Graces pleasure and Commands and let your Grace know that I will have all those under my charge as farr as I can have power with them to continue their devotions and vowes to God for his most Sacred Majesty and your Grace and that whatever others do I will ever joyn with such as are most devoted to your Grace as My Lord your Graces Most faithful most obsequious and most affectionate Servant Anthony Docharty Minister Provincial of the Franciscans This letter I thought fit to insert because the said late Provincial of the Franciscans for now he is out of his Office carried not himself as to that matter of the Remonstrance either before or after the said letter so candidly and sincerely as would become a person of his place For he notwithstanding all his wariness being suspected by many that he had subscribed and demanded by them whether he had would never own any such thing that I may say no more and thereby rendred his said concurrence altogether unsignificant as to any use could be made thereof His denyal was grounded I suppose hereon that he had not subscribed the individual paper of the original Remonstrance which most others had And peradventure this equivocation had been harmless if it had stayed there or there were not further ill consequences of such equivocation But it was otherwise as his end in both subscribing and denying was for his own private concerns without any regard of the publick and was only to save his own stake with both sides however were a looser Yet this much I will say for him that after this he writt earnestly over Seas to hinder all he could any censures or proceedings against the Subscribers albeit in some of his letters to that purpose he condemned them himself Nor indeed was it agreable to his purpose of dissembing with both parties to do other haveing been himself the principal in sending before the above named Father Iohn Brady to procure censures against the Remonstrance in it self and by consequence against the first publick and printed Subscribers of it And he could not but know that in all likelyhood he had done his worke by that time as indeed he did all he could do However this be I think it not amiss to mind those Franciscan Fathers of that meeting at Multiferum of their unreasonable obstinacy when they remember the following letter of His Grace to the Procuratour as he was on his journey thether which they themselves there did both see and read the Procuratour having so thought fit to answer their pretence of not subscribing on this account That they were not yet satisfied His Majesty or Lord Lieutenant expected any such matter from them but on the contrary were told it was only the Procuratours desire and worke to engage others as deep as himself for his own sake only or to bring himself off the better at Rome by the multitude concurring with him For Mr. Peter Walsh Sir Dublin 26. Jan. 1662. COnsidering how well His Majesty received the Subscriptions to the Protestation presented to him in England I do a little wonder that the example hath not been more readily and frequently followed here than for ought I can hear from you it hath been I have no end in wishing it should than that those of loyal and peaceable dispositions may thereby be distinguished from others for their own advantage Yet any prudent person will believe the Subscribers are more like to find it than the Refusers I desire to know who have already subscribed since your arrival in this Kingdom and who have refused to subscribe And so I rest Your very affectionate Friend Ormonde XLIII Soon after the Procurator had return'd to Dublin from this meeting at Multifernan and the Bishop of Meath Anthony Mageoghegan led wholy by those Fathers had on pretence of the sharpness of the season excused himself by Letter from another meeting with him in his return and when he considered there was no more to be done with or expected from the Generality of the Irish Church-men at least for some time or until they had a general Congeregation by advice of some persons of quality he desired the prime Noblemen and Gentlemen then at Dublin and who had not been at London when the Remonstrance was agitated and subscribed there by such as at that time were there to meet at my Lord Clanri●kards of purpose to receive satisfaction in that business whereof there was so much talk amongst all people and to discharge their own duty what ever the Ecclesiasticks did Being met the Lord Birmingham as a most rational and most candid person obiected all he had from others to the Procurator as if all had proceeded from him only But the Earl of Tirconel being present as he was most instrumental both in this meeting and in so many others held at London formerly about the Remonstrance to forward it cleared the Procurator fully for what was done at London declaring that the concurrence of the Nobility and Gentry was wholly and solely their own act originally mentioned by the Earls of Glancarty Carlingford and himself and seconded in very good earnest home by the Earl of Inchiquin some English Catholick Noblemen having of purpose come to their meeting where they declared the joynt approbation of the Catholicks of England and that were the case of the Irish theirs they would most freely and heartily subscribe that very individual Remonstrance with the Preamble and Petition without any change And for the Procurators endeavours to perswade the Clergy in Ireland since his arrival the above Letter of His Grace produced there to my Lord Birmingham and the ●e●● did satisfie them no less fully that he did herein but what he ought and was his Majesties and Lord Lieutenants desire and was both expedi●●● and necessary for all concern'd

with these Irish Bishops I never found any of them either to speak the truth or to perform their promise to me only the Bishop of Clogher excepted for during the little time he lived after his submission to the Peace and Commission received from me I cannot charge him No could I choose but be mightily troubled when I heard from His Graces own mouth and on that occasion and before another witness too such a character of so many Roman-Catholick Prelates even all the Archbishops and Bishops of the whole Nation being Five or six and twenty or thereabouts For I know there was no man alive had reason or the opportunities and occasions to know them better than he did no man that try'd them more to the quick even in the weightiest matters could be and I knew very much of their failings my self and was no less certain even by the experimental knowledge I my self likewise for so many years ever since 1648. had of His Graces veracity That he spoke his own inward Conscience in that testimony how general and pungent soever and therefore I concluded That surely he must have very much prejudice against a Religion or Church that was chiefly and generally throughout a whole Nation governed by such spiritual Guides And this Conclusion which I derived then presently was it that so much troubled me when I heard him speak that his testimony and withall observed not only his action or gesture viz. how at the same time he laid his hand on his breast but even his religious asseveration in these other words As I am a Christian premitted to the said either testimony or whatever else you please to call it whether Declaration Answer Observation or Complaint Of which action and asseveration I took indeed the more special notice then and now again do take here that I never observed him before or after on any occasion whatsoever to have averr'd or denied any thing in that manner i. e. either with any such laying of his hand on his breast or any such calling his Christianity to witness as neither in truth with any other kind of Oath As for the rest not only my trouble but my wonder for I did also wonder much those Irish Bishops generally could have been such men had been very much less even at that very time had I before seen his long and excellent Letter of all the Transactions 'twixt him and those Bishops but for two years only i. e. from the year 1648. to the 29th of October in 1650. written by Him as Lord Lieutenant of Ireland from Kilcolgan the second of December 1650 to the last General Assembly of the Three Roman-Catholick Estates of that Nation which very Letter I do now for the reasons given in my Preface communicate to publick view in Print annexing it by way of Appendix to this present Work or First Tome in the end thereof But to leave this digression of my own thoughts or passions and return to the prosecution of what besides speaking of his remembrance of matters past the Lord Lieutenant gave me of His Commands upon the foresaid occasion of my relating how the Bishop of Ardagh had to the Fathers misreported His Grace's answer what I am now to tell is That His Grace even at that very time commanded me to go presently to the said Bishop of Ardagh and to the Bishop of Kilfinuragh the Chairman too and let them know from Him That He would speak to them both together before they left the Town For he took the said misreporting of His answer so much to heart That He was resolved not only to expostulate with them for that disingenuity but even to rebuke them for it in presence of half a dozen Noblemen and Gentlemen of their own communion to the end he might have Witnesses enough and such men too against whom those Bishops could take no exception and so dismiss them free to stay or go whithersoever they would And this and no other was the design of that Command given me as even himself declared then But Kilfinuragh it seems too conscious to himself all along for the design he drove and carried in the Congregation prevented this Message by shifting presently his Lodgings as soon as the House dissolved For so Father John Burk the Vicar-General Apostolick of Cashil another great Intriguer though in all things else dull enough told me just as I was in my way to find Kilfinuragh out as moreover he told me it was to no purpose for me to seek that Bishop because he was either by that time out of Town or would suddenly be and that in the mean time if he was not already gone he would not have the place of his retirement known Which being related to the Lord Lieutenant His Grace presently sends Mr. William Summers chief Clerk in Secretary Lane's Office to the Bishop of Ardaghs Lodgings at his brother Sir Nicholas Plunket's house and not to him only but to the Primate also where he lodged with an express Command to them both not to stir out of Town till further orders this Messenger being further directed That in case he found them not within he should leave that Command at their Lodging to be notified to them immediately on their return Which being accordingly received by them and their trouble thereat signified to me I went to see them both and quieted their trouble by letting them know what the occasion and end of it was that there was no further hurt intended them or either of them but that of a bare verbal expostulation that after such they should be as free to go where they pleased as before and that in the mean time there was no hardship in their restraint which allowed them the liberty of a great City and Suburbs and pleasant Fields on every side thereof Yet the Primate whether more conscious to himself for any late design than Ardagh I know not was so fearful to transgress That from that day he never once dared to walk abroad into the Fields lest it should be interpreted a breach of his duty or of that Command laid on him Within a few dayes the Lord Lieutenant parting for some weeks to Kilkenny before His departure sends for me and tells me He had somewhat more to say to the Primate than I knew yet And then commands Sir George Lane Knight His Grace's chief Secretary to lead me into His Closet and shew me that part of a certain Letter which concern'd the said Primate Reilly Sir George did so and therein shews and reads to me how the Earl of Sandwich Ambassador for the Crown of England in Spain had inform'd thence That as he passed through Gallicia to Madrid the Roman-Catholick Irish Bishop of Ferns inform'd him of Edmund Reilly the Roman-Catholick Archbishop and Primate of Ardmagh's being gone to Ireland from France and with a real purpose and out of meer design to raise the Irish again into Rebellion or at least to prepare for it by all