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A61556 The grand question, concerning the Bishops right to vote in Parliament in cases capital stated and argued, from the Parliament-rolls, and the history of former times : with an enquiry into their peerage, and the three estates in Parliament. Stillingfleet, Edward, 1635-1699. 1680 (1680) Wing S5594; ESTC R19869 81,456 194

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bishop_n and_o as_o spiritual_a only_a as_o they_o do_v in_o the_o saxon_a time_n in_o the_o wittena_n gemot_a so_o likewise_o the_o vicars-general_a have_v writ_n when_o the_o bishop_n be_v beyond_o sea_n but_o neither_o of_o these_o can_v sit_v in_o parliament_n as_o temporal_a baron_n but_o because_o so_o much_o depend_v on_o the_o proof_n of_o this_o and_o no_o man_n have_v yet_o undertake_v it_o i_o shall_v bring_v clear_a testimony_n of_o the_o constant_a practice_n of_o it_o from_o the_o record_n of_o the_o tower_n 24_o edw._n i._o writ_n be_v direct_v custodi_fw-la archiepiscopatûs_fw-la eborum_fw-la sede_fw-la vacant_a &_o electo_fw-la menevensi_fw-la vel_fw-la ejus_fw-la vice_n gerenti_fw-la ipso_fw-la agente_fw-la in_o partibus_fw-la transmarinis_fw-la 27_o ed._n i._o custodibus_fw-la episcop_n lincoln_n sede_fw-la vacant_a &_o capitulo_fw-la eccles._n b._n p._n eborum_fw-la custodibus_fw-la spiritual_n ejusdem_fw-la diocese_n sede_fw-la vacant_a 5_o ed._n ii_o vicario_n generali_fw-la archiep._n eborum_fw-la ipso_fw-la archiepiescopo_n in_fw-la remotis_fw-la agente_fw-la 6._o ed._n ii_o custodi_fw-la archiepiscopatûs_fw-la cantuar_n sede_fw-la vacant_a 7_o ed._n ii_o to_o the_o same_o &_o custodi_fw-la episcop_n london_n sede_fw-la vacant_a 1_o ed._n iii_o custodi_fw-la spiritualitatis_fw-la archiep._n cantuar._n sede_fw-la vacant_a and_o twice_o the_o same_o 2_o ed._n iii_o 7_o ed._n iii_o rex_fw-la dilecto_fw-la sibi_fw-la in_o christo_fw-la priori_fw-la eccles._n christi_fw-la cantuar._n custodi_fw-la spiritualit_fw-la archiep._n cantuar._n sede_fw-la vacant_a 10_o ed._n iii_o custodi_fw-la spirit_n episcop_n norwic_n sede_fw-la vacant_a 11_o ed._n iii_o custodi_fw-la spirit_n episcop_n cicestr_n sede_fw-la vacant_a &_o h._n episcopo_fw-la lincoln_n vel_fw-la ejus_fw-la vicario_n generali_fw-la ipso_fw-la episcopo_fw-la in_fw-la remotis_fw-la agente_fw-la 12_o ed._n iii_o a_o more_o general_a writ_n to_o the_o archbish._n etc._n etc._n vel_fw-la vicariis_fw-la vestris_fw-la generalibus_fw-la vobis_fw-la in_o partibus_fw-la transmarinis_fw-la agentibus_fw-la 14_o ed._n iii_o t._n episcop_n hereford_n vel_fw-la ejus_fw-la vicario_n generali_fw-la ipso_fw-la episcopo_fw-la in_fw-la remotis_fw-la agente_fw-la 20_o ed._n iii_o custodi_fw-la spiritualit_fw-la episcop_n assaphensis_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o like_a we_o find_v 20_o e._n 3_o 34._o 36._o 38._o 44._o 5_o r._n 2._o 6._o 7._o 9_o 10._o 12._o 13._o 18._o 20._o 7_o h._n 4._o 8._o 2_o h._n 5._o 3._o 4._o 5._o 7._o 8._o 9_o 2_o h._n 6._o 4._o 5._o 9_o 10._o 11._o 15._o 18._o 20._o 25._o 29._o 12_o edw._n 4._o in_o all_o these_o year_n there_o be_v writ_n direct_v either_o to_o the_o guardian_n of_o the_o spiritualty_n in_o the_o vacancy_n of_o the_o see_v or_o to_o the_o vicars-general_a or_o chancellor_n in_o their_o absence_n beyond_o the_o sea_n which_o be_v sufficient_a to_o prove_v this_o to_o have_v be_v the_o constant_a practice_n of_o parliament_n in_o those_o time_n 2._o some_o churchman_n be_v summon_v to_o parliament_n who_o can_v have_v no_o pretence_n to_o sit_v there_o as_o temporal_a baron_n for_o 49_o h._n iii_o the_o dean_n of_o york_n exeter_n wells_n salisbury_n and_o lincoln_n be_v summon_v with_o the_o like_a writ_n as_o the_o rest_n and_o mr._n selden_n observe_v 22._o that_o in_o the_o time_n of_o edw._n i._n edw._n ii_o edw._n iii_o where_o the_o clause_n praemunientes_fw-la be_v omit_v in_o the_o writ_n to_o the_o bishop_n there_o particular_a and_o several_a writ_n be_v send_v to_o some_o dean_n and_o prior_n of_o cathedral_n church_n to_o appear_v in_o parliament_n but_o to_o prove_v more_o full_o the_o interest_n the_o clergy_n have_v then_o in_o parliament_n it_o be_v worth_a our_o observe_n that_o in_o the_o ancient_a record_n there_o be_v 4_o several_a sort_n of_o writ_n wherein_o the_o clergy_n be_v concern_v 1._o in_o the_o common_a writ_n of_o summons_n to_o parliament_n send_v to_o the_o archbishop_n and_o bishop_n with_o the_o clause_n of_o praemunientes_fw-la which_o run_v thus_o premunientes_n priorem_fw-la &_o capitulum_n or_o decan_n &_o capit._n ecclesie_v vestre_fw-fr archidiaconos_n totumque_fw-la clerum_fw-la vestre_fw-fr diocese_n facientes_fw-la quod_fw-la iidem_fw-la prio_fw-la &_o archidiaconi_fw-la in_o propriis_fw-la personis_fw-la suis_fw-la ac_fw-la dictum_fw-la capitulum_n per_fw-la unum_fw-la idemque_fw-la cierus_n per_fw-la duos_fw-la procuratores_fw-la idoneos_fw-la plenam_fw-la &_o sufficientem_fw-la potestatem_fw-la ab_fw-la ipsis_fw-la capitulo_fw-la &_o clero_fw-la habentes_fw-la predictis_fw-la die_fw-la &_o loco_fw-la intersint_fw-la ad_fw-la consentiendum_fw-la hiis_fw-la que_fw-la tunc_fw-la ibidem_fw-la de_fw-la communi_fw-la consilio_fw-la ipsius_fw-la regni_fw-la nostri_fw-la divina_fw-la favente_fw-la clementia_n contigerint_fw-la ordinari_fw-la 595._o so_o mr._n selden_n represent_v it_o from_o the_o 50_o ed._n iii_o membr_n 6._o and_o with_o he_o sir_n edw._n 4._o coke_n agree_v who_o say_v by_o this_o clause_n in_o the_o writ_n of_o summons_n to_o the_o bishop_n they_o be_v require_v to_o summon_v these_o person_n to_o appear_v personal_o at_o the_o parlalament_n but_o he_o prove_v they_o have_v no_o voice_n there_o because_o they_o be_v require_v only_o ad_fw-la consentiendum_fw-la etc._n etc._n which_o be_v a_o very_a weak_a argument_n for_o 1._o his_o own_o great_a authority_n modus_fw-la tenendi_fw-la parlamentum_fw-la say_v express_o they_o be_v call_v ad_fw-la tractand_v &_o deliberand_n and_o that_o their_o name_n be_v call_v over_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o parliament_n and_o that_o they_o have_v a_o voice_n there_o and_o do_v make_v up_o part_n of_o the_o commons_o of_o england_n not_o that_o the_o procuratores_fw-la cleri_fw-la do_v sit_v together_o with_o they_o after_o they_o have_v a_o speaker_n of_o their_o own_o of_o which_o i_o find_v no_o precedent_n but_o they_o sit_v by_o themselves_o have_v a_o prolocutor_n of_o their_o own_o which_o be_v the_o very_a same_o name_n use_v in_o the_o roll_n for_o the_o speaker_n of_o the_o house_n of_o commons_o 2._o these_o word_n do_v not_o exclude_v they_o from_o be_v part_n of_o the_o common_a