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A78502 Certamen Brittanicum, Gallico Hispanicum. A true relation of a conference holden between Charles Stuart King of Scots, Don Lewis de Haro, and the Cardinall Mazarine, the two grand favorites of the courts of France and Spaine. Wherein is touched something of the interests of the said states one to the other, and of both in relation to the said King of Scots. As also how much it hath been endeavoured to make him turn Catholike, with his constant resolution to live and dye in the true Protestant religion. Sent in a letter to the Prince of Conde, and by his secretary to a freind of private trust in England, who hath caused the same to be faithfuly rendred into English out of the Spanish copie. 1659 (1659) Wing C1765; Thomason E1005_16; ESTC R207923 5,972 12

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starve and then observe but the danger of bringing in provision the place being wholly invironed with Islands under the King of Spaines dominion well fortified well attended on by ships and populously rich and the whole place will not countervaile either half the danger or charge And as for Dunkirk which they boast is the key into Flanders if they can make no better use thereof for the future then they have hitherto done it may possibly prove to them mors in olla a thing of so hard a digestion that their greedy stomacks shall be forced to restore let it be as it will quoth the Cardinll we shall endeavour to hold out own and neither meddle in the settling or unsetling Common-wealths or Kingdomes 'T is well answered the King of Scots but you were I am sure of another minde when you were banished out of France but the wheele with you was quickly round thanks to your policy and Machiavellian principles but as to the maine point for this is but beating about the bush my desire is that as in this happy treaty and conclusion of a peace and a marriage most of the Princes and states of Europe will have a share of happinesse I alone may not be set aside and I am very well assured that if my condition as being most wrongfully expulsed out of my Fathers Kingdome and my lawfull inheritance were but taken in among the rest of your friends the very sense thereof would so move other neighbour Princes and states that they would suddenly turn their many promises into actions and instead of words aide me with Swords I must deale ingeniously with you said Don Lewis it is the intent of my Master to take you in as an Ally and Friend and I am sure having him you gaine the whole house of Austria who by reason of their great power and sway in the Empire as having the Emperor of their kindred command the cheife and greatest part of Europe for by that meanes all the Catholike Princes there will be assistant and if you but weigh the alliance between these the Dane the Pole and severall others in the whole it will be found that two third parts of Europe will all follow I must confesse replyed the Cardinall you have said much to the purpose the Leagues and Alliances you have spoken of are many and very strong but most of them will find businesse enough to defend themselves against the Swede and his partakers for though by the new League they may seem sorely to threaten him yet he is able by Himselfe and his Confederates as he hath done some years already to find them imployment at home Indeed retorted the King of Scots I think your cheif hopes is on the King of Sweden who if I be not mistaken is in the League with your Eminencyes Master as also with my Enemies but I hope and something I have of confidence to assure me thereof that the Marquess of Brandenburgh not to mention my Cosen of the Palatanate who is late joyned with the Emperor and house of Austria will so pull his fethers that on a sudden he shall not flye farre abroad It may be so answered the Cardinall but now admitting all your hopes to be certainties they will little availe for his Holinesse is not at all thought of and with out all dispute he will goe farre in Italy 't is true Italy is divided into four parts viz. Lumbardy Tuscany St. Peters Patrimony and the Kingdome of Naples In Lumbardy stand many rich Governments as the Dukedome of Millayne which is my Masters of Mantua of Florence and others of lesse note none of which you have mentioned these together St. Peters Patrimony and the State of Venice are all at his Holiness beck What then answered Don Lewis is not my Master the eldest son of the Church I am confident his Holiness will as soon bend towards him as the greatest Is not the Kingdome of Naples his are not you to deliver him the Dukedome of Millayne Doth not he keep a good Fleet of Galleyes at Otrauto continually which is the neerest passage from Italy into Greece to prevent any invasion from the Turkes why then should he have lesse hopes of his Holiness then you And I dare presume that if his Majesty of Scotland here present will be but reconciled to the Church of Rome all difficulties will so easily be removed that he shall but ask and have Men moneys ammunition Ships and what not without the help or thanks of your Master or his Freinds who have already once apostatized from him I must confesse answered the King of Scots I would very willingly be reinstated in my Kingdomes and would even give forgive grant or doe any thing even beyond expectation to be hoped from me to come to that happynesse but to seek or gain them and to loose or hazard my hopes of Heaven I dare not I cannot for I shall sooner choose to dye an exile from my native Country then to banish or change the Religion I have been bred and born in for a settlement there Alas answered the Cardinall what is your Religion but a new fangle a thing never thought of till Luther's time I deny that replyed the King for it is the same in its purity which was professed in the primitive Church so that it is as old as Christianity at selfe and all along hath been upheld but with some mixtures I must confesse I need not say much herein a great part of the World are therein as well satisfied as my selfe Yea replyed Don Lewis but you cannot shew that it was ever openly preached or professed till of late dayes I suppose answered the King your excellency in this point is misinformed what think you of the Waldenses of John Wickliffe who openly preached and upheld the same even in the publick and famous University of Oxford in the time of King Edward the third of England and favoured by John of Gaunt Duke of Lancaster and other great men of that time Were John Husse and Hierom of Prague no body who in defence thereof both sacrificed their lives It is founded upon the word of God and is the same which is taught in the Doctrine of the Prophets yea by Christ himselfe and his Apostles and is of greater antiquity then that which is grounded but upon the decrees of counsels and humane traditions but I shall not argue any further thereof for I am no Prophet nor no Prophets Son But quoth the Cardinall this obstinacy will never do you good your Father might have still b●en a King or you his peacefull Successor if he had not been so resolutely bent in these points And for this very cause I take exceptions against you you know what Machiavell saith It matters not whether a Prince have Religion or no so he make a pretence thereof sufficient to serve his own ends you must learne to transforme your selfe into any shape for Qui nescit dissimulare nescit regnare It is usually found in Counsels of State that the busie heads of a few doe carry all the rest And many times Men make a surrender of their own judgements to him that hath gotten a name by giving happy directions in troubles forepast A faire Argument hath your Eminency used said the King but I doubt hardly sufficient to work on me for I am like Antigonus one of Alexanders Captaines who was as good a Man of Warre of as deep judgment as high a spirit and as great undertaking as any of the rest but his employment was lesse which made him lesse respected but his thoughts were as high as theirs for he valued himselfe by his own worth not by the opinion of others in like manner I though at present kept an exile by those who ought to be my Subjects have yet neverthelesse the thoughts of a King for why may not the same providence that cast me of put me in again Saepe redit pulsâ nube serena dies In truth said Don Lewis your resolution is much to be commended and generally we finde good successe to be the reward of a well grounded patience and if you can with the contented minde of Socrates conclude that every place is the wise Mans Country and all parts a Palace to a quiet minde you will not misse the reward of your patience for Saepe premente Deo fert Deus alter opem And for my own part I do here protest to your Majesty that I shall in what I may assist you and that I will be earnest with the King of Spaine my Master to that purpose But I pray quoth the Cardinall let not your excellency be over hasty for since it hath pleased the divine providence to bring the affaires of these two great Crownes to so hopefull a period I hope this shall not be any cause of breach and therefore shall rather honour this noble Prince with the title of freind Some of his evill-willers we have seen to fall those that have risen have waded through a Sea of blood And those that now remaine are ready to destroy one another about parting the Stakes I wish therefore the effects may prove successfull and that the event of our conference may be a happy amen towards his settlement Yet if you please quoth Don Lewis to the King I shall not advise you to trust to the inconstancy of the French Nation but rather that you will goe to the Court of Spaine where your retreate shall be warranted and safe whereupon after many congratulation● on both sides at the present they parted This is the exact relation of the conference as neere as possibly could be gathered which for publick satisfaction I have here made publick that the World may see that that poor banished Prince the King of Scots is neither so helpless nor freindless as many Men imagine Shortly after this conference ended the King took his course directly for the Court of Spaine where according to information from thence since received he is safely arrived and with courtesie and humanity entertained FINIS