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A27468 Several informations and examinations taken concerning Lieutenant Colonell John Lilburn shewing his apostacy to the party of Charles Stewart, and what his intentions are in coming over into England out of Flanders. Berkenhead, Isaac. 1653 (1653) Wing B1977; ESTC R235834 11,635 17

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said Lilburn I know him to be otherwise for heretofore all his Business was mannaged by Ireton and is since by others And for the Generall himself he is as false a perfidious false-hearted Rogue as ever lived in the world And I know no reason why I should not vy with Cromwell since I had once as great a power as he had and greater too and am as good a Gentleman and of as good a family To this the said Duke replyed Sir if you have any Interest in England as you say you have I pray you to use it for me for I have a great desire to be reconciled to my native Country Then the said Lilburn perceiving he could not moove the said Duke to any thing in relation to his the said Lilburns proposalls and perswasions he the said Lilburn promised to use his interest in England on the said Dukes behalf to which purpose the said Lilburn wrote to some in England but to whom this Examinant knoweth not But with all the said Lilburn advised the said Duke not to stir in it yet This Examinant further saith that the said Lilburn said that there was one Rogers that was a Rogue for that he was a Spy for the Common-wealth of England and therefore he the said Lilburn would ruin and destroy him And that he the said Lilburn had discovered several that were imployd in that way before And after this apprehending the said Rogers was to come towards Bruges the said Lilburn lay an hour and a half waiting for the said Rogers his coming at Placingdoll three English miles from Ostend which was his way to Bruges The Examinant further saith that there was one Mr. Lambert a man that keeps much company with the said Lilburn who took the said Lilburn his house for him in Bruges that said that Lieut. C. Lilburn told him the said Lambert that he the said Lilburn had found a Rogue out one Rogers that was a Spy for the Common-wealth of England The said Lambert further said with another Papist commonly called by the name of Paracelsus as he the said Lambert was that if the said Rogers had staid two daies longer in the Town he the said Rogers should never have gone thence alive for that they would have him the said Rogers knocked on the head This Examinant further saith that the said Lilburn said that the Lord General had abused Major General Lambert who when time serv'd would berevenged on the General JOHN TYTUS The Examination of Capt. John Bartlet concerning Lieut. Col. John Lilburn ABout the 20. of July 1652 in an Arbor in Placingdoll three miles from Ostend in Flanders Lieut. Col. John Lilburn did propose to Col. Charles Lloyd sometimes called Sir Charles Lloyd Quarter master General and Egineer General to the late King in the late warres in England and to Capt. John Bartlet this Examinant and Capt. Luke Whittington Agent for the King of Scots that if he the said Charles Lloyd or any of the aforesaid persons would procure him ten thousand pounds he the said Lilburn would settle the King in his Throne to wit Charles Stuart in England And this Examinant further saith that at the same time the said Lilburn said that the King to wit Charles Stuart should never come into his Throne but by his the said Lilburns means And that he further said the said Lilburn did oppose the late Kings death more than any man in England besides then durst do And this Examinant further saith that the said Lilburn did then boast much of the largeness of his own party as he the said Lilburn called them which he had in England This Examinant further saith that there was a Rumor in Flanders that his Excellency the Lord General Cromwell was made Lord Admiral of the Seas and that he was to go to Sea in the Ship called the Soveraign the which when Lieut. Col. Lilburn heard he was very angry saying That the General had more commands than ever Julius Caesar had but t is no matter said he let him go to Sea when he will I le warrant him he shall never return or words to this effect This Examinant further saith That Lieut. Col. John Lilburn said that Mr. Rogers was a Spy for the Common-wealth of England as he was told by Lieut. Col. Layton And further said that if he the said Lilburn knew it certainly he would destroy the said Rogers And further said that he had warn'd the Duke of Buckingham the Lord Hopton Doctor Nicholas Judge of the Admiralty Court for the Scotch King in Dunkirk and several other Cavaliers that they should not trust him and the said Lilburn further said that he had spoild two of the Parliaments Spies already and would do the like to this And further said that he the said Lilburn and the said Col. Layton supposing which way the said Rogers would come lay an hour and a half waiting for him but though he mist him then he would ruin him afterwards and at this time the said Lilb commanded this Examinant to keep it secretly and to beware of him the said Rogers After this it appeared that the said Lilburn had intelligence that this Examinant had discovered to the said Rogers what had formerly past betwixt the said Lilburn and this Examinant as secrets and what is related in this Paper and understanding that the said Rogers and this Examinant were to go from Bruges to Ostend and so for England that none of the said Lilburns actions might be declared there in England to the Parliament which the said Lilburn feard he the said Lilburn with certain others that he had procured with their weapons as Pistols and Swords way-laid the said Rogers and this Examinant but by Providence the said Rogers resolved not to go that day and prevalld with this Examinant to stay till the next which this Examinant did though they never heard any thing of the Conspiracy against them But their stay being understood by the said Lilburn and the rest of his corspirators one that was privy to the conspiracy Capt. Ignatius Brett an Irish Rebel with Capt. Luke Whittington came to the house where this Examinant and the said Rogers were and this said Brett sent for this Examinant and asked this Examinant what was the reason why this Examinant continued not his resolution for his journey This Examinant answered that by a friends advice he staid till to morrow The said Brett replyed you may thank God you went not down to the boat for had you gone ye had been harder put to it in fighting than ever you were in your dayes wherupon this Examinant asked the said Brett by whom the said Brett answered you shall excuse me I will never be a Traitor to them so long as I live but you know them all as well as I. Then the said Whittington being in company said I am glad with all my heart you went not down for the persons were Lilburn c. who were all well furnished for
for Cap. Bartlet with the said Cap. Whitington who were both privy to the design and discovered it after God in his mercy had prevented them By this time it was noysed up and down the City insomuch that some of the Citizens offered me their assistance which some of them afterwards gave me and brought me to the boat the next day at which time the Lieut. C. with some more of his Conspirators lay behind a hedge near the way that I was to passe and thus blessed be God I escaped his hands A little before the Lieut. C. had discovered that Captain Bartlet informed me of whatsoever the Lieut. C. told him Capt. Bartlet said that he had told him that he the Lieut. C. had much intercourse and correspondency with Holland by which means he would ruin me in causing me to be apprehended because as he said I was a Spy for the Commonwealth of England which Capt. Bartlet giving me timely notice of hindred my journey and so a third time I escaped his malice which was not against me any further than as he said I was a Spy for the Common-wealth of England ISAAC BERKENHEAD The Examination of Capt. John Tytus concerning Lieut. Col. John Lilburn Sept. 22. 1652. THis Examinant saith that the said Lieut. C. John Lilburn proposed to the Lord Hopton that if he would procure him ten thousand pounds he would destroy the Common-wealth of England in six moneths or he would have a piece of him naild upon every Post in Bruges The Lord Hopton told the said Lilburn that it could not be so facile a thing though he believed it would be done but not in so short time to which the said Lilburn replyed My Lord I le shew you how it shall be done give me but the monies that I propose for and I le have my Agents for I have enough of them that shall give me a continual account of all the Commonwealth of Englands Proceedings And by those Agents I will spread My Papers abroad that shall instigate the people against the Parliament and so by that Power I have already and that Power that My Agents shall make by working upon the people I will destroy this Parliament the Councill of State and the Lord General Cromwell in half an hour This Examinant further saith that George Villers Duke of Buckingham sent for the said Lilburn to inquire which way he might make his addresses to the Parliament for his Peace But the said Lilburn advised the Duke from it for that the Lord General Cromwell and the Parliament were so false a Company of Rogues that it was not safe for the said Duke to put his life into their hands And further said that if the King to wit Charles Stuart would but observe what he the said Lilburn had set down in some Papers which shew the reason why the said Lilburn would not be a Cavalier and reform but them he might easily do his businesse and sit in his chair But the said Duke spurr'd him the said Lilburn on to his first request of advising him which way he might make his peace with the Parliament But the said Lilburn would not hear of that but advised the said Duke to the contrary and further telling him the said Duke that they had hitherto naming his Excellency the Lord General Cromwell and the Parliament broken all their Ingagements and particularly the Lord General to me who promised with all the Protestations in the world and by what ever else was sacred that so soon as the General had done his business in Scotland he would then answer all their expectations and desires meaning the desires of that party which are called Levellers and further promised that Magna Charta should be set on foot and all the privileges of the people fully answered according as they the said Levellers had in several papers of theirs proposed But the said Duke still drove the said Lilburn off desiring him the said Lilburn that if he had any interest or party in England as he the said Lilburn boasted much of that he would use it on the Dukes behalf for said the said Duke could I procure a pass to day to come into my native Country I would fling my self into the Lord General and Parliaments hands to morrow For said he the said Duke so far as I have assisted the King hitherto hath been but to quit my self of ingratitude since my Family hath been raised by the King and his Ancestors To which the said Lilburn replyed My Lord since you are so resolved I would advice you not to stir in such things as yet for that there is expected a New Representative at which time he the said Lilburn doubted not but he should be able to do him the said Duke service for he the said Lil. should then be as powerful as any in the Representative But the said Duke desired that if he the said Lilburn had any Interest that he would use it forthwith for that he had a desire to be reconciled to his Country To which the said Lilburn replyed My Lord the General and the Parliament are so false a company of Rogues that it cannot be safe for you to put your self in their hands This Examinant further saith that at this same time the said Lil. proposed to the said Duke that if he the said Duke could but procure him 10000l he the said Lilburn would have a piece of him nailed upon every post in Bruges if he the said Lilburn did not overthrow and destroy those damnable Villains in England I mean said he the said Lilburn the Lord General Cromwell the Parliament and that Monstrous Councill of State To which the said Duke replyed I pray you Sir let me hear which way you will do this The said Lilburn replyed My Lord I le tell you how First I le set my Presse on work for which purpose I have bought one with a Letter at Amsterdam which cost me thirty pounds and then I le send my papers over into England which by my Agents shall be spread all over the Nation and by my Agents for I have enough my papers shall be brought into the Army there where I have double Interest and now every Trooper begins to understand his own privilege and so soon as these papers are spread they l fly in the faces of their Officers so that with the help of my particular interest the Souldiery shall do all themselves and I le do nothing but sit in my chair and use my pen To which the Duke replyed Sir you may observe that in all your attempts the General out-witted you and broke your business in the bud besides you may see that on all occasions the Souldiery hath been obedient unto his Officer so discreetly hath the Generall ordered his Army Why then saith the said Lilburn I perceive you take the General for a wise man Yes said the Duke let the world read his Stories and they l find him so No said the