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A71100 A discourse shewing the great happiness that hath and may still accrue to His Majesties kingdomes of England and Scotland by re-uniting them into one Great Britain in two parts / by John Bristol. Thornborough, John, 1551-1641.; Bristol, John Digby, Earl of, 1580-1654. 1641 (1641) Wing T1042A; ESTC R32805 52,904 330

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is the selfe same as if we feared that without Vnion the king would hold personall Courts in Cornwall or as if we doubted that such Courts when our former Kings were personally in France were not for all that kept a● Westminster The sea● of judgement is the sea● of the house of David thither the Tribes goe up and there the peoples feet stand even in the gates of Ierusalem which Ierusalem is a City that is at unity in it selfe at unity concerning matters of religion at unity in matters touching publike justice and government therefore the King began his Psalme 122. I was glad when they said to me We will goe c. Lastly the exception taken against Vnion because of the Kings oath at his Coronation which is never iterated is grounded on the selfe same reason as if it were also alleadged that because his Majestie sweareth to maintaine ancient and fundamentall lawes therefore upon circumstance of time and occasion he might not alter any Law but let it be remembred that the Kings oath concerneth the Lawes and not the title and we know the Lawes may be preserved though the title be altered And as for Subjects I doubt not but they may without danger at the pleasure of the King sweare their allegeance and doe homage and obedience after restitution of title reformation of law and Vnion of Kingdomes And ancient Records doe no more leese their force by the change of England into Britaine then by change of King IAMES into King CHARLES And there is no more incertainty of pleadings instruments and writs than when a plaintife deceaseth after seven yeares suite his heire is put to begin commence his suite anew in other name The heart of objections against Vnion being halfe broken let us enter into the third consideration of matter of State inward where is objected a possibility of alienation of the Crowne of England to the Crowne of Scotland in case his Majesties Line should determine But blessed bee God our gracious Soveraigne King is blessed with a plentifull issue and hath yet much farther hope And I hope for which I pray night and day that his Majesties royall Issue shall not faile so long as the Sun and Moone endureth Neverthelesse if some will not labour of the common bane of good wits which is rather to dispute than obey and rather to reason beyond reason than yeeld to reason more magis quàm judicio they may herein also easily answer themselves that in uniting the two kingdomes the second place in stile may be rather drawne to the next of blood in our Land than the kingdome of England bee transferred to one farther off frō the Seem Which thing neither Henry the seventh nor Henry the eighth doubted the one seeking to marry his eldest daughter Lady Margaret to King Iames the fourth of Scotland hoping if his heire male failed by that meanes to unite Scotland to England And the other having his whole drift to match his Sonne Prince Edward to Queen Mary foreseeing in his providence the inestimable benefit of uniting the two kingdomes for which cause many of the Nobles of Scotland gave faith to doe their best endeavours But it is a strange doubt and cast beyond the Moone to imagine that Vnion of the two kingdomes doth so confound the State and change the tenure to bring it so into case of purchase as it will necessarily subject England to Scotland especially if his most excellent Majesty of his singular tenderness and love to this his Realme of England be pleased to effect and establish that in case his Royall Issue which Almighty God of his infinite mercy defend should faile that then by this happy intended Vnion the Realme of Scotland should for ever be and continue indissolubly united and annexed to the lawfull and rightfull inheritance and succession of the Crowne of England in the blood royall of the same Now touching matter of State forreine in answer to the first objection I am well assured that our forreine affaires were at worst in the opinion of all at the decease of our late Queen and our entercourse utterly decaied with many Princes so as we need a kind of present renewing which may be cōcluded as wel under title of King of all Britain as of England To the second it is easily answered that the King loseth no precedency of place as is imagined specially antiquity as in the Objections is alleadged guiding it and not greatnesse For the Successor to King Arthur of Britaine will bee worthy in the opinion of the whole world of better place then King Egbert of England To the third that if the name of England as is imagined be obscured the name of famous and great Britain will be illustrate memorable in times past to all the then knowne Nations of the earth Touching matter of Honour it is certaine and evident that the name of England though it hath beene worthily most famous and great yet is not equall to the title of great Britaine when England and Scotland are reunited either by reason of honor or of power All Histories remembring unto us that the Britaines long time resisted the mighty force of Romaines Lords and Conquerours of the world And albeit some fathers can be content to disinherite their own daughters to continue their names as is inferred in the objections and therfore inforced shold be much more in States specially where the name hath beene famous yet for my part I account such parents unkind and unnaturall where self-love of their name maketh them forget themselves and forsake their owne flesh I will not urge here the law of God of nature and of most nations where daughters inherite names grow extinguished But this is a vaine respect only of name wherof is spokē to get a name on earth and to think their name should never be put out whereas so many countries so many people so many persons have either lost or left their former name and most willingly have been called by another name Gaudet cognomine terra Virgil Eneid lib. 6. That countrey rejoyced to be called by a new name how much more should our Land imbrace this name of Britaine and yet not new but indeed his old proper name renewed and as it were redivived and restored from the dead Or be it simply losse only of a bare transitory name yet as the Prophet Esay speaketh Chapter 56. ver. 3. Let not the Eunuch say Behold I am a dry tree my name shall perish with mee Let us rather regard that name which God promiseth to them that serve him saying Esay 65. ver. 5. Even unto them will I give in my house and within my pallaces a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters I will give them an everlasting name which shall not be put out The argument of Oblivion deserveth no answer but silence and forgetfulnesse and yet I doubt not but famous acts of Noble English men will as well
Estate domestique or inward or matter of the Law is divided into these three maine heads following The first that the alteration of the name of the King doth inevitably and infallibly draw on an erection of a new Kingdom● or estate and a dissolution and extinguishment of the old and that no explanation limitation or reservation can cleare or avoid that inconvenience but i● will he full of repugnancy and ambiguity and subject to much variety and danger of construction The second is an enumeration or recitall of the speciall or severall confusions incongruities and mischiefes which will necessarily and incidently follow in the time present As in the summoning of Parliaments and the recitals of Acts of Parliament In the Seals of the kingdome Jn the great Officers of the kingdome In the Lawes customs liberties and priviledges of the kingdome In the residence and holding of such Courts as follow the Kings person which by this generality o● name may be held in cou●●land In the severall and reciproque oathes the on● of his Majestie at his Coronation which is neve● iterated the other in the oathes of allegiance homage and obedience made and renewed from time to time by the Subjects All which Acts instruments and formes of policy and government with multitude of other forms of Records Writs plead●gs and instruments of a ●eaner nature run now ●n the name of England ●●d upon the change would 〈◊〉 drawne into incertain● and question The third is a possibi●●ty of alienation of the ●rowne of England to the ●ne of Scotland in case 〈◊〉 Majesties line should determine which God of ●s goodnesse defend for if it be a new erected kingdome it must goe in t● nature of a purchase 〈◊〉 the next heire of his Majesties fathers side The matter of St●forreine or matter of 〈◊〉 ●●tercourse and commer●● consisteth of these th●●● points following The first is the League Treaties forreine Fredomes of trade and tr●fique forreine contra●● may be drawne in ques●●on and made subject quarrell and cavillation The second is that the Kings precedency before other Christian Kings which is guided by antiqui●● of Kingdomes and not ●y greatnesse may be en●angered and his place turned last because it is ●h newest The third is that the ●lory and good acceptation of the English name and ●ation will be in forreine ●arts obscured The matter of honou● and reputation stande● chiefly upon these fou●●maine heads or points following The first is that 〈◊〉 worldly thing is more de● to men then their name 〈◊〉 as we see in private fam●●lies that men disinheri● their daughters to con●nue their names muc● more in States and whe● the name hath been famous and honourable The second is that the contracted name of Bri●aine will bring in oblivion the names of England and Scotland The third is that whereas now England in the stile 〈◊〉 placed before Scotland ●n the name of Britaine that degree of priority or ●recedence will be lost The fourth is that the change of name seem harsh at the first in the popular opinion and something un●leasing to the Countrey THese precedent objections and many other pretended against the happy uniting of these two famous king●omes of England and ●cotland the Reader shall finde sufficiently answered in the ensuing Treatise by the Author to his full satisfaction and content THE ●E-MARRIAGE Of two famous Kingdomes ENGLAND and SCOTLAND ●●duced into one Great Brittaine ●y the providence of one God the ●iety of two Kings the unity of ●oth Nations By way of answer 〈◊〉 former Objections BY IOHN BRISTOL IT was long before the Objections against the ●ntended happy union of both the Realmes came to my hands b● having read them 〈◊〉 could not hold m● hand from writing 〈◊〉 remove cleare them esteeming them only 〈◊〉 great shew of big lo●● laid in the way b●●tween the two emine●● markes shot at by t● soveraign Vnitor namely honour and happinesse the one inseparably inherent in his m● royall person the othe● assuredly intended 〈◊〉 Subjects benefit whi●●●hings in apparant uti● or urgent necessity ●e Objectors desire to ●e shewed them for whose satisfaction I have briefly examined and answered every ob●●ction The Objectors finde ●o president at home ●or abroad of uniting 〈◊〉 contracting of the names of two severall Kingdomes or States ●nto one name where the Vnion hath growne ●y marriage or blood and say that the examples which may bee alleged are but in case 〈◊〉 Conquest But I remember that Charles 〈◊〉 France the eighth 〈◊〉 Comineus mentioneth taking to wife the hei● of little Brittaine annexed it to the Crowne● France ruled it 〈◊〉 lawes customes a● priviledges of Fran●● and gave the Noble thereof place in Parliament in France 〈◊〉 union is a strong keep of Imperiall Soveraignty and is the very si●ewes of Weale pub●●que But as Tacitus●ith By divers lawes ●er diverse Nations ●●bject to one King ●uicquid est authoritatis ●ebis destruitur contra●●ctionibus Charles the fifth uni●●d in the common ●ame of Spaine divers ●ther his kingdomes ●hereof two of them ●amely Aragon and ●astile descended to him in right of blood For he well knew that the most eminēt in dignity is most honored 〈◊〉 Vnity and that this truly called Prudence even the electing or rejecting the continuing or changing of forme● and uniting kingdome according to time pla●● or persons which gre●● vertue is not alwai● contained in certai● and the same bound but altereth it selfe 〈◊〉 occasion serveth in respect of forenamed circumstance But the Objectors acknowledge uniting of Kingdomes in case of Conquest I marvell they doe it not much more by right of blood for in that Vnion of constraint there is ever doubt and dread for continuance thereof as is well said Malus cu●tos diuturnitatis metus but in this by right of ●lood God giveth bles●ing to natures work First in the great majesty of the high at supreame Governou● where one mighty Monarch is of more command and power the a King of divers disti●guished Kingdomes Secondly in 〈◊〉 more facility of the government where people under like law are more easily rule than under divers law And thirdly in t● more security of the g●●verned who being with like equity of ●wes will one love and strengthen the other but being divided ●oe oftentimes under●ine and practise sub●ersion one of the o●her Vires imperii in ●onsensu sunt obedienti●m tolle unitatem ●mnis imperii contextus in ●ultas partes dissidet Which consideration made King Henry the ●ighth rightfully assuming the title of King of Ireland by voluntary Vote in Parliament o● the Lords and Com●mons of that King●dome albeit the King of England were be●fore that time but cal●led Lords of Ireland● yet now changing hi● Stile to endeavour b● just lawes to cause the Irish change as wel● their apparell as lan●guage and divers thei● old formes and forme● lawes and to reduc● them into forme o●