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A68818 A discourse plainely prouing the euident vtilitie and vrgent necessitie of the desired happie vnion of the two famous kingdomes of England and Scotland by way of answer to certaine obiections against the same. Thornborough, John, 1551-1641. 1604 (1604) STC 24035; ESTC S107314 12,497 44

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title reformatiō of law Vnion of kingdōs And ancient Records do no more leese their force by the chaunge of England into Britaine then by change of Queene Elizabeth into king Iames. And there is no more incertaintie of pleadings instruments and writs then when a plaintiffe deceasseth after seuen yeares suite his heire is put to begin and commence his suite anew and in other name The heart of obiections against Vnion being halfe broken let vs enter into the third cōsideration of matter of State inward where is obiected a possibilitie of alienation of the Crowne of England to the Crowne of Scotland in case his Maiesties Line should determine But blessed be God our gracious soueraigne King is blessed with a plentifull issue and hath yet much farther hope And I hope for which I pray night and day that his Maiesties royall Issue shall not faile so long as the Sunne and Moone indureth Neuertheles if some will not labor of the common bane of good wits which is rather to dispute then obey and rather to reason beyond reason then yeeld to reason more magis quàm iudicio they may herein also easily answer thēselues that in vniting the two kingdomes the second place in stile may be rather drawne to the next of bloud in our Land then the kingdome of England be transferred to one farther off from this Stemme VVhich thing neither Henry the seuenth nor Henry the eighth doubted the one seeking to marie his eldest daughter Lady Margaret to king Iames the fourth of Scotland hoping if his heire male failed by that means to vnite Scotland to England And the other hauing his whole drift to match his sonne Prince Edward to Queene Mary foreseeing in his prouidence the inestimable benefite of vniting the two kingdomes for which cause many of the Nobles of Scotland gaue faith to do their best indeuours But it is a strange doubt and cast beyond the Moone to imagine that Vnion of the two kingdomes doth so confound the State and change the tenure to bring it so into case of purchase as it will necessarily subiect England to Scotland especially if his most excellent Maiesty of his singular tendernes loue to this his realme of England be pleased to effect establish that in case his royall Issue which Almighty God of his infinit mercie defend shold faile that then by this happie intended Vnion the Realme of Scotland should for euer be and continue indissolubly vnited and annexed to the lawfull and rightfull inheritance and succession of the Crowne of England in the bloud royall of the same Now touching matter of State forreine in answer to the first obiection I am well assured that our forreine affaires were at worst in the opinion of all at the decease of our late Queene and our entercourse vtterly decayed with many Princes so as we neede a kind of present renewing which may be concluded as well vnder title of King of all Britaine as of England To the second it is easily answered that the King loseth no precedencie of place as is imagined specially antiquitie as in the Obiections is alleaged guiding it and not greatnesse For the Successor to king Arthur of Brittaine will be worthie in the opinion of the whole world of better place then king Egbert of England To the third that if the name of England as is imagined be obscured the name of famous and great Britaine will be illustrate memorable in times past to all the then knowne nations of the earth Touching matter of Honor it is certaine and euident that the name of England though it hath bene worthily most famous and great yet is not equal to the title of great Britaine when England and Scotland are reunited either by reason of honor or of power All Histories remembring vnto vs that the Brittaines long time resisted the mightie force of Romaines Lords and Conquerors of the world And albeit some fathers can be content to disinherite their owne daughters to continue their names as is inferred in the obiections and therefore inforced should be much more in States specially where the name hath bene famous yet for my part I account such parents vnkind and vnnaturall where selfe loue of their name maketh them forget themselues and forsake their owne flesh I will not vrge here the law of God of nature and of most nations where daughters inherit and names grow extinguished But this is a vaine respect onely of name wherof is spoken to get a name on earth and to thinke their name should neuer be put out whereas so many countries so many people so many persons haue either lost or left their former name and most willingly haue bene called by another name Gaudet cognomine Virg Aen. 6. terra that countrie reioyced to be called by a new name how much more shold our land imbrace this name of Britaine and yet not new but indeed his old proper name renewed and as it were rediuiued and restored frō the dead Or be it simply losse only of a bare transitorie name yet as the Prophet Isay Isa 56. 3. speaketh Let not the Eunuch say Behold I am a drie tree my name shall perish with me Let vs rather regard that name which God promiseth to them that serue him saying Isa 56. 5. Euen vnto them will I giue in my house and within my pallaces a place and a name better then of sons and of daughters I will giue them an euerlasting name which shall not be put out The Argument of Obliuion deserueth no answer but silence and forgetfulnesse and yet I doubt not but famous acts of Noble English men will as well by Chronicle be remembred to posteritie as the glorie of renowmed Britaine Record remaineth to this day neither will either be forgotten to the worlds end The Stile of England now placed before Scotland doth no way preiudice the Vnion by losse of precedencie for when all is one there is no subsequence onely Honor is due to him who is to be honored and much honor to him that is much to be honoured which thing in the Vnion may easily be prouided for and other pretended inconueniences preuented Lastly the Preiudicating the popular opinion to whom as is obiected chaunge of name will be harsh and vnpleasing is in mine opinion a wrong done and imputation laid vpon the people who I know for the most part being a wise nation and I am sure most louing subiects to the kings Maiestie haue learned obedience and dutie and will therefore rather ioy in the content of their good and gracious King then any way murmure at his demand knowing that the Empire as Liuie speaketh is firmi●ssimum when eo gaudent obedientes who doubtlesse with one voice and heart submit themselues and say to their Soueraigne Esto nobis solus arbiter rerum iure nomine regio And as for Harshnesse of the strange name vse will easily make it familiar He said Multa renascentur quae iam