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A68764 The theatre of the empire of Great Britaine presenting an exact geography of the kingdomes of England, Scotland, Ireland, and the iles adioyning: with the shires, hundreds, cities and shire-townes, within ye kingdome of England, divided and described by Iohn Speed. Speed, John, 1552?-1629.; Hondius, Jodocus, 1563-1612, engraver.; Schweitzer, Christoph, wood-engraver.; Camden, William, 1551-1623. Britannia. 1612 (1612) STC 23041; ESTC S117917 30,317 987

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make good Musick in wise mens Eares no more than his Musick did in Olivers and I am sure he hath not and believe he cannot make any further Discovery of this Plot by any thing by you published nay it s without all Contradiction absolute Nonsense that a Discovery can be made out of a Discovery for without all Peradventure a Discovery must and doth imply new Fact otherwise it s no Discovery Then the Author tells you That that part of the Design against his Majesties life broke to all Intents and Purposes but we are beholden to you for the Discovery of other and further Plots in defaming the King and Government Subversion of our Established Religion and Disturbance of the Peace so that our Deliverance is but half done I stand amazed with what considence he dares write such things but as the Proverb there is is none so bold as blind Bayard for his so that our Deliverance is but half done is his and none of your's and what you have done is meerly making known matter of Fact and that long since and only as to one Plot. And besides Doctor had he considered the whole truth of the Fact as to that part of this Hellish Plot That the same hands attempted his Sacred Majesties life Beyond-Sea That 's its strongly to be presumed Mr. Killigrues man that was Murthered at Windsor on his Majesties Couch was by the same hands and intended his Majesty That although the Gun is taken that Pickering should have made use of for that purpose yet neither Coniers nor his Dagger nor the Ruffians nor many others you have in your Depositions charged are that the Contrivance was as well Beyond-Sea as at home and that since your Discovery of Mr. Dugdale Mr. Balldron Mr. Jennison Mr. Danger-field and others which daily come in have severally deposed that at several places and times and by divers Persons they have been accosted to be hired to undertake to attempt it Methinks the Consideration of these things which have undeniable truths should make him Blush for that by broaching such Falsities amongst the Subjects to delude them he may make them neglectful and careless in the Preservation of his Majesties life in which they have so much and great an Interest but I only mention this Doctor as it is to me a clear Demonstration of the Contrivance and often repetition of the Jesuites and their Parties indeavouring to put in Execution their hellish Design against his Majesties person whom God preserve Then he repeats part of your Narrative wherein you Doctor as he says mention some Circumstantial Actions the Jeuites do in order to the Facilitating this their impious Design which is by making and Promoting differences between the King and his People and the King and Forraign Princes and the like and amongst the people in case their Design as to his Majesties life took effect that they might be ready to rise up in Arms against one another and then in a glorying manner the Author tells you We have found your Observations in these Particulars so Punctually true that every Syllable is the matter now in Agitation as thus not a Day without a Libel upon his Majesties Authority belieing the Condition of his Affairs Indeavouring to create Distrusts and Jealousies amongst Forraign Princes and States by false Intelligence Animating and exciting turbulent Factions Anticipating Confederacies Involving us in Blood upon a remote and Vndutiful supposition of the Kings Death Sedition preached as well as Written our Conventicles both Instructed themselves and Instructing others in the Methods and Principles of Rebellion this he says may Suffice for your Judgment upon these things which look liker a Revelation than a Conjecture I know not Doctor who the Author means by we for my part I think no man in his right Senses can close with him in his finding for as I said before yours are not observations but only matters of Fact and those charged upon the Jesuites and their Party But if there are any such Libells holding forth those particulars he mentions but as much as his own from any man or from any Society of men I am very clear in my opinion with all humble Submission to the Governors and Government the Authors may well be suspected to promote the Design and may deserve to be called in question and punished for them according to their Demerits And the rather as to him because he hath the boldness in Capital Letters and of remark to call it A REMOTE AND UNDUTIFUL SUPPOSITION OF HIS MAJESTIES DEATH If this be not a giving the lie to the Representatives of the Commons of the Nation affirming their Credit of your's and other's Evidence in that particular by their Vote That if his Majesty which God forbid should dye a violent Death they would revenge it on the Papists and this Concurred with by the House of Peers but these are such small and minute things in Mr. Le Strange's Consideration he can easily pass them by as an Evident and undeniable proof of his natural Veneration of the Government and his true Son-ship to the Church of England But as to the Preachings he talkes of if amongst those he means under the term Fanaticks when he can name the Persons I hope I may without offence say the Persons charged or some body for them will give an answer Satisfactory to the Governours Government and the world in the mean time I believe no man of understanding will Credit it upon his bare and general Assertion And because Mr. L'Estrange as may be supposed did apprehend these things had not been sufficient to finish his intended Fabrick and that his Pamphlet he makes some further repetition of part of your Preface to your Narrative in reference to the late Troubles as That the Jesuitical Party were the Contrivers of the last War by their known Diabolical Art of inslaming Parties and Passions against each other and addressing to the King of his Majesties Royal Fathers unspeakable Sufferings and barbarous usage it was those brought him to his end stourished Swords and Trumpets over his dead Body the Putney Projectors were in most if not all the Councils that contrived his ruine What broke the Uxbridge Treaty but the Romish Interest and Policy who contrived to baffle all designs of Peace and Settlement to this Nation Prosperity to his Majesties Family but them Milton was a known Frequenter of a Popish Club. Who more forward to set up Cromwel and crown him with the King's Crown than Papists his Government was contrived by a Priest and Lambert a Papist for above thirty years From whence he concludes in this Point he says a man may without loss of Honour believe you to be in a mistake I could wish he Would have given some reason for it that he might have received a more full Answer than otherwise can be given to it for although this is not nor cannot be said or deposed by you as an immediate part of your Discovery of the
from thence can be inferred without a violent or at least strange Construction and for my part I do not at all know or suspect that any one true Member of the Church of England is or will in the least joyn with the Jesuitical Party in it but do hope both they and the Dissenters from them will unite to defend his Sacred Majesty and the Government from it Then he tells you The Law is general in that case there is no relaxation the Law takes not notice of Honesty but Obedience and this Rule he says holds in common as well to the Papists as to the Protestant Recusants With something more to the same purpose but truly I think to very little purpose for as I take it those Statutes he cites are by their Title Preamble and Body only and litterally against the Popish Recusants For the Dissenters he talks of or the greater part of them were not then publickly in being nor in the least mentioned in any of them and if so I think they cannot be concerned But that being under the construction of a power above me I shall not be positive in it or determine it Then he rivets this he thinks by saying But what if it be said that it is not the thing sworn but the Oath it self that is scrupled at This he tells you Doctor is nice and unhappy to those that are so strait-laced and from thence he infers its dangerous to the Government for it lets in all the Priests and Jesuits in nature under that colour for they will all flow in thither that is amongst the Dissenters from the Church of England for shelter and carry on their Designs without trial or danger Is not this most incomparable Jugling he can blow hot and cold at his pleasure an excellent Artist for observe when he had some trouble of Spirit upon him for the Papists Sufferings upon this Hellish Plot and to take off the edge of the Magistrate and the opinion of the People as to the further and severe prosecuting of it that there might not be any more havock made with them then there was not a Papist to be seen they were invisible but now when the Tables must be turned upon the Dissenters to the Church of England then because of some of the Dissenters scruplesomeness in Swearing his Opinion is changed for now there is a great deal of danger he says but if you will believe the Author before it must be of no body or at least so few that they are not worth the looking after but one to three thousand if so much so here is Mr. Roger against Mr. L' Estrange and indeed I take the Author's Inference from hence to be altogether foreign and remote from your words or meaning in your Deposition or the truth of the case for though your Deposition in fact is true and common experience joyns with you in it that the Jesuits and their Party are so active that they will if possible thrust themselves into any Society of Men to try their skill in disturbance of Governments and carry on their Design yea even as well where there are Dissenters from the Church of England as where there are none and according to what he said equally safe to themselves Now to conclude all he tells you Doctor It must be granted that either the Papists have a design upon the King Religion and Government and advance it by acting the parts of Quakers Anabaptists Presbyterians and other Sectaries or not and admitting your Deposition to be true there can be no security to this Government without either dissolving all seperate meetings or bringing in all Dissenters to this Legal Test otherwise the Papists have all sorts of liberty and security in herding themselves amongst Conventiclers where upon the beating of a Bush it will be an even wager whether you start a Jesuit or a Fanatick and in this case there is not much difference between them where the Jesuit plays the Fanatick or the Fanatick the Jesuit and then says if this main Assertion be true there is no way of finding out the Papists but by this Test and Dissenters cannot chuse but incourage the Proposition either they have Priests amongst them or not if they have why do they not the best they can to find them out if not why do they say they have Either they are influenced by the Jesuits or not if they be why do not they purge their Congregations If not why do they pretend they are and so set the Saddle on the wrong Horse Either its possible to clear their Conventicles of this dangerous mixture or not If so why do they still complain and do nothing in it If not then there is no way to extirpate Popery but by rooting out Fanaticism and then he calls to the world to judge with what injustice the Orders and Rituals of the Church of England are charged with a tincture of Superstition and Popery when the Calumniators are tainted with this Leaven and then concludes he is come to the bottom of the Popish Plot. I am sure a blind man would be glad to see it for I that have both my eyes can neither see top middle nor bottom of what he promised of a further Discovery of your discovered Plot and all he hath said I take to be but a meer groundless Phantasm for in the beginning of his Pamphlet he undertook a further Discovery of the Plot than you discovered and could you or any other rational man have from thence expected or looked for any thing else but some new matter and clearly made out and evinced either by authentick Testimony or undeniable Arguments but instead thereof he hath spoiled three or four Sheets of Paper by stuffing them full of strained and wrested Constructions of and inferences from some part of your Depositions and Observations many manifest contradictions and apparent mistaken Conclusions thereupon Nevertheless to do him what right I can perchance if you take not his litteral expression but his mystical meaning I am perswaded you will go nigh to judge he hath made or really intended to make a further Discovery of a Plot but not the Plot you have discovered for if you well and seriously observe the subject matter of his Discourse and Arguments and to what they tend and add to it the time when this Learned Piece came forth and compare it with the invented Plots of the Earl of Castlemain Countess of Powis John Gadbury Mrs. Celier c. I may easily suppose Doctor you may without any great stress readlly conjecture with whom he conversed for what Meridian this elaborate Piece of his was calculated and for whose use by its Image and Superscription but the All-mighty Providence having taken them in their own Snares both in those and other things hath thereby plainly proved to the world the manifest untruth of his Assertions for although is be undeniably true what you have deposed that the Jesuits and their Agents endeavoured to Work