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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A78137	A reply to the frivolous and impertinent ansvver of R.B. to the discourse of P.B. In which discourse is shewed, that the baptisme in the defection of Antichrist, is the ordinance of God, notwithstanding the corruptions that attend the same, and that the baptisme of infants is lawfull, both which are vindicated from the exceptions of R.B. and further cleared by the same authour. There is also a reply, in way of answer to some exceptions of E.B. against the same.	Barbon, Praisegod, 1596?-1679.	1643 (1643)	Wing B755; Thomason E96_20; ESTC R5151	48,062	73

one By this reason women may baptize they being of the kingdome of Heaven and beleevers but sure unbaptized persons cannot be the Kingdome of Heaven in this sence Cornelius might have baptized his family and friends and needed not to have sent for Peter Certainly our Lord was greater then John and the Lord of all beleevers yet he did not baptize himselfe or others but went to John that he might fullfill righteousnesse and so would these were they like minded to him they would goe to them that Matth. 3. 15. were baptized and had Commission to baptize others These Scriptures the strength whereof lieth in a Compara●ive way without all question E. B. doth not yet understand the scope of them and that it maketh nothing for him every ordinary judgement will see and I will say no more The 10. Rom. 6. 7. 8. is the last place by which he will prove that unbaptized persons beleeving may baptize others and so raise the ordinance lost and fallen out of the world this place of the Apostle is that of Moses Deu. 30. 11. 12. 13. 14. 1 S●m 13. 9. 11. 2. ●hron 26. 18. 1 Cor. 1● 33. 40 It would better have fitted Saul to have excused his disobedience he being in a great strait and foolishly adventuring to sacrifice Vzziah the king might better and to more purpose have alleadged the same for burning incense for which the priest withstood him hee being for it smitten with leprosie Can E. B. account God to be the God of order or thinke well of him for making a breach in Vzza for neglect of order and hold th●● every beleever may without any more adoe act any ordinance of never so high a nature or peculiar concernment and saying say not who shall a scend into Heaven and the word is neare them will serve their turne and bear them out Alas it would not serve Saul nor Vzza nor Vzziah though a King neither will it in the least serve an unbaptized person the which I leave also to the judgement of the Reader After this he speaketh that the Scripture is silent of John his baptizing of himselfe I say though it be yet it is not silent concerning his Commission they shew these it were to purpose Then abruptly he falleth could on the Apostacie of Israel and AntiChrist saith the Apostacy of Anti-Christ greater then i● that of Israel indeed so it had need with reference to their course and so he saith though they did not againe circumcise themselves yet now they may againe be baptized though the Scripture be as silent concerning it as it is of Johns Baptizing himselfe c. It is well he will ingenuously acknowledge the silence of the Scripture in the matter but what is their course now not having the Scripture for the rule of it a voluntarie course of their Esa● 8. owne devising to be shunned of all Gods people who are to cleave to the Law and Testimonie But we will a litle minde his reason why the Apostacie of Antichrist is greater then that of Israel it is this they were called Sodomites and Egyptians these were the worst of Pagans and so of the Gentiles Reve. 11. 2. 8. It is but Spiritually they are so called And Israel in their Apostacie from God is called by the like termes Esay 1. 10. 57. Esay 3. Neither doth it appeare that Sodomites and Egyptians were the worst of Heathen unlesse any please to beleeve his bare saying so truely this is a poor way of confuting a matter B●●●● further saith Israels Apostacie did not raze the foundation of the constitution of their Church It is well he so holdeth others of his way have not held so Israel forsooke God and his pure worship and followed Hos 4 17. 8. 4. Idols They worshipped the Calves at Dan and Bethel if their ground were true that corruption it maketh a nullitie it is marvellous they should remaine a true Church But it is plaine he saith that Antichrist hath changed all ordinances both in Church and Ministery Worship and Government Esai 24. 5. and so hath destroyed baptisme To which I answer it is not so plaine as it is plaine E. B. is foolishly confident of his owne opinions and conceits though he have no ground for them doth the 24. Esay 5. prove it so plainly E. B. hath a veine to make any thing prove his matter he thinketh he hath to deale with children with whom he is so out of charitie hee goeth on adding one thing to another without any relation and so saith the matter of the Church under the Gospell must know the Lord and bee all taught of him If all of E. B. his Church doe so know God and be so taught of him it is well if it be so they have the more wrong done them further he bringeth all the difference betwixt him the Church of Rome and England to a very narrow point and that is they do not baptise believers only confessing faith and sins c. If they did they would not leave her they doe baptize persons of yeeres in Nova Spania and other parts of the Indies yea in Rome and so also in England they baptize Iewes Turks and Moors who confesse their faith and their sins they baptize infants also that is a lesse errour then the worshipping of the Calves which when E. B. hath well considered happily he may leave off his separation and be reconciled againe Further he seemeth to say something to what I minded in my discourse that some are so filled with prejudice that they have no patience to think of the church estate remaining under Antichrist exaltation to this he saith they shall ever bee ready to speake or write I say like enough so but not to heare it seemeth It is a vertue to be swift to heare and slow to speake I did in my discourse Iames 1. 19. desire any to set forth the hurt that commeth of holding the Ordinance of the Church and Baptisme to have bin in captivitie in Babylon and there preserved by the power of God for a time c. And now by the same power brought forth to freedome and puritie God returning to build his Tabernacle broke downe and ruined But Act. 15. not destroyed as sometime of old the Church and vessels of the Lord were in Babylon and thence returned to the vessels he answereth but to the Church it seemeth hee knew not what to answer and so passeth it by with silence notwithstanding he hold as before as in the end of his third replie the constitution of that Church was founded in the land of Canaan and being removed thence by his ground must become voide To the vessels he most ignorantly replieth and saith the vessels of the Lords house had no relation to the sprinkling of infants his reason is they were the Lords ordinances and is not the Church and Baptisme so also he saith they needed no new casting so long as they remained the