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A66434 A vindication of The case of indifferent things used in the worship of God in answer to a book intituled The case of indifferent things used in the worship of God, examined, stated on the behalf of the dissenters and calmly argued. Williams, John, 1636?-1709.; Bagshaw, Edward, 1629-1671. 1684 (1684) Wing W2740; ESTC R186701 40,583 62

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that will speak very severe things of his following appeal to God Judge O thou righteous Judge between these people and those who thus pursue them I am far from one God is my witness that is a smiter of his fellow-servants as he calls them nor would have any one do what he verily believeth is unlawful but I do think it is the duty of all to do what they lawfully can to hear readily and consider impartially what may be offered for their satisfaction and to suffer patiently where they cannot receive it This I think every truly conscientious person will do and I should question his conscience that doth it not Certainly to return him his own words if our Brethren have any value for the Glory of God for the good and peace of others Souls for the preserving the Protestant Religion for the union of Protestants against Popish adversaries for any thing indeed that is good and lovely they will rather break than any longer draw this saw of contention and will do as much as in them lies for the repairing of those breaches which must be confessed are no less dangerous than scandalous to our Religion The Kingdom of God is not Meat and Drink but righteousness and peace and Ioy in the Holy Ghost FINIS ERRATA PAg. 3. l. 13. r. I should p. 30. l. antepenult r. imply p. 31. l. 6. r. expressions p. 89. Marg. add to Lightfoot Hor. in Matth. and Mark p. 46. l. 17. r. Government Books Printed for FINCHAM GARDINER 1. A A Perswasive to Communion with the Church of England 2. A Resolution of some Cases of Conscience which Respect Church-Communion 3. The Case of Indifferent things used in the Worship of God Proposed and Stated by considering these Questions c. 4. A Discourse about Edification 5. The Resolution of this Case of Conscience Whether the Church of England's Symbolizing so far as it doth with the Church of Rome makes it unlawful to hold Communion with the Church of England 6. A Letter to Aaonymus in Answer to his Three Letters to Dr. Sherlock about Church-Communion 7. Certain Cases of Conscience resolved concerning the Lawfulness of joyning with Forms of Prayer in Publick Worship In two Parts 8. The Case of Mixt Communion Whether it be Lawful to separate from a Church upon the Account of promiscuous Congregations and Mixt Communion 9. An Answer to the Dissenters Objections against the Common Prayer and some other Parts of Divine ●ervice Prescribed in the Liturgy of the Church of England 10 The Case of Kneeling at the Holy Sacrament Stated and Resolved c. in Two Parts 11 A Discourse of Profiting by Sermons and of going to hear where Men think they can profit most 12. A serious Exhortation with some Important Advices Relating to the late Cases about Conformity Recommended to the Present Dissenters from the Church of England 13. An Argument to Union taken from the true interest of those Dissenters in England who profess and call themselves Protestants 14. Some Considerations about the Case of Scandal or giving Offence to the Weak Brethren 15. The Case of Infant-Baptism in Five Questions c. 16. The Charge of Scandal and giving Offence by Conformity Refelled c. 17. The Case of Lay-Communion with the Church of England Considered c. 1. A Discourse about the charge of Novelty upon the Reformed Church of England made by the Papists asking of us the Question Where was our Religion before Luther 2. A Discourse about Tradition shewing what is meant by it and what Tradition is to be Received and what Tradition is to be Rejected 3. The Difference of the Case between the Separation of Protestants from the Church of Rome and the Separation of Dissenters from the Church of England 4. The Protestant Resolution of Faith c. 5. A Discourse concerning a Guide in Matters of Faith with respect especially to the Romish pretence of the Necessity of such an one as is Infallible Case examined p. 2. p. 16. pag 2. p. 10. a The difference of the Case between the separation of Protestants from Rome c. p. 42 c. b p. 36 37. n. 4. 38. Case of Indifferent things p. 3. Conclus 1. p. 25. Case of Indifferent Things p. 20. Case Examined p. 25. Case of Indifferent Things p. 20. Case of Indiff Things pag. 23. Case Indiff Things pag. 20. Jer. 10. ● Conclus Case of Indiff things p. 24. Case examined p. 26. Pag. 4. Conclus 3. p. 2● Pag. 29. pag. 21. pag. 38. pag. 29. pag. 28. Case of indifferent things pag. 30. pag. 31. Exod. 12. c. pag 32. Page 8 Conclus 4. Case examined pag. 27 Pag. 27. Sect. 2. Case of Indiff Things p 4. c. Case examined p. 19 20. Defence of the principles of love part 2. p. 97. Case examin'd p. 15. Pag. 7. 1 Corinth 15. 44. Eph 2. 3. Fres● Su●● p. 1. c. 4. 5. Luke 18. 13. Gen. 3. 21. Case examined pag. 18. Pag. 14. Case of indifferent things p. 8 12 13. Case examined pag. 18. * Case of indifferent things pag. 14. Case examined pag. 19. Pag. 18. V. Brightman in Ames Fres● Suit part 2. p. 505 510. Pag. 15. Case of Indiff Things p. 5 6. Case examined p. 7. pag. 19. Ibid. pag. 23 24. pag. 19. pag 24. pag. 11. pag. 25. a V. case of a scrupulous Conscience Dr. Calamy's Sermon on that subject b the case of Symbolizing and the defence Case of indifferent things p. 24 c. Prop. 1. Pag 11. Ibid. Ames's Fresh Suit answer to Bp. Morton Jean's Uniformity in answer to Dr. Hammond Pag. 18. Pag. 36. Pag. 13. Proceedings at the Savoy p. 62. 1 Cor. 7. 35. Against Dr. Hammond pag. 80. Prop. 2. Pag. 23. Pag. 15. Pag. 18. Pag. 12. a Homilies Sermon of good works pt 2 Sermon of Prayer pt 2. Article 34. Ps. 95. 6. Pag. 29. Pag. 13. Jean's answer to Hammond Pag. 21. Case of Indifferent things Pag. 29. Case examinea Pag. 25. Pag. 2● Pag. 26. 2 Sam. 7. 7. Vers. 1 Vers. 2. 1 Chron. 28. ● 3. a 1 Kings 8. 17 18. b Laect on Job Lect. 28. c 2 Sam. 7. 11. 1 Chron. 17. 10. d 1 Chron. 28. 19. e 2 Sam. 7. 13 f 2 Sam. 7. 6 7. vers 1. g 1 Chron. 22. 7 8 9. 28 3. h 1 Chron. 17. 9 i 1 Chron. 22. 9 Ames Fres● Suit part 2. §. 6. and 7. Case examined p. 26. a Zech. 8. 19. b 1 Mac. 4 59. c John 10 22. d Euxtorf Synag Jud. e Est. 9 20 27 29. f C. 8. 17. 9. 18 19 22. g On c. 8. 17. Ch. 9. 27. h C. 9. 2● 31. i C. 9 22. k C. 10 31. l On. c. 4. 16 and 9 31. Case examined Pag. 14. Case examined Pag. 32. Pag. 3. a Pag. 84 a Herodotus l. 1. c. 31. b Casab exercit 16. c. 22 c Rosini antiq l. 4. c. 15. d Ibid. e Buxtorf Exercit. xxxv xxxviii f Horat. l. ● i. ode 37. g 1 Cor. 10. v. 21. h v. 20. Falkner's Libert Eccles. part 2. c. 3. §. 4. n. 10. Lightfoot Case Examined p. 15. Pag. 1. Pag. 14. Case of Indifferent things P. 11. Pag. 12 15 16 19. Case of Indifferenc things P. 13. Case of Indiff p. 9. 12. Hor. in Joh. c. 13. 5. Pag. 16. Exercit. 16. n. 22. 24. Libertas l 2. c. 1. §. 3. 1 Cor. 11. 20. Apel. c. 39. V. Vines on the Sacram. c. 2. p. 25 c. Case examined Pag. 21. Case of Indifferent things Pag. 15. Epist. 118. ad Januar. Thes. Salmur part 3. p. 307. Comen de bono unit Annot. cap. 3. Confes. Helvet Comen ibid. c. 7. c. 3. §. 2. Case of Indiff Things p. 9. Case examined Pag. 13. V. Case of Kneeling p. 14. 15. Vindicat. of Presbyt Gov. p. 4. §. 3. Case examined Pag. 33. Pag. 34 Case of Indifferent things P. 36. Case examined Pag. 35 Rom. 14. 18. Case Examined p. 34. 35. Case of Indifferent things p. 41 42. Case of Lay-Commun p 39 c. §. 4. Case Examined p. 39. Pag. 5. 9. 17 32. 40. Pag. 9. a Fresh suit part 2. p. 300. b Pag. 17. 30. 32. 39. 41. Lev. 14. 30. On Lev. 1. 14. Pag. 30. Pag. 17. Pag. 30. Pag. 9. Pag. 22. Pag. 35. a P. 7. 38. b P. 9. 30. c P. 39 40. Case of Indiff Things p. 46. Case Exam. p. 40. Act. 15. 18. Case of Indifferent things Pag. 47. §. 5. Case Examin pag. 3. 36. 38. pag. 14. pag. 22. pag. 12. pag. 36. pag. 12 13. pag. 30. pag. 22. Case of Indiff p. 8. Case Exam. p. 22. pag. 29. pag. 26. pag. 39. pag. 7. pag. ● pag. 41 44. ibid. pag. 1. pag. 41 44. pag. 41. ibid.
problematical and saith they are divided upon it amongst themselves I think not my self at present concern'd to shew the absurdity of this Principle as how if this be true the same things must be lawful and unlawful according as they are required or forbidden by our Superiours c. But shall only consider what he offers on its behalf 1. He saith they may not in this Case obey without sin because nature teacheth us not to part with all our natural liberty 2. Because we have a command to stand fast in the liberty c. As to the former I only say and that 's enough that Nature teacheth us and doth oblige us to part with some of our liberty in Communities And they are far from being required to part with all in ours and so if his argument have any thing in it it hath nothing in it as to our Case For the Second I leave him to what was said by way of prevention in the Tract he opposeth and which he should have Answered before he had made use of this as an Argument All that he hath excepted against upon that subject is the notion I laid down of Christian Liberty which I said was no other than the Liberty which mankind had before it was restrained by particular Institution and he gives this reason against it For in that viz. Natural Liberty we must not stand fast because Divine Institution hath restrained us in it c. neither hath Christ restored us to any such Liberty In Answer to this I shall consider what Natural Liberty is and then what Liberty it is that the Apostle did treat of As to the Former it 's no other but the free use or disuse of things Indifferent whether out of or in the Worship of God As to the Latter it was no other than a freedom from the Jewish yoke of bondage and that Law that gendred to it as the whole current of the Apostles discourse doth shew And therefore it could be with respect to no other condition than that which mankind would have been had there been no such particular Institution and was in before that Institution 'T was the nature of the Law and the injoining of it by divine Institution so as it became necessary to them that made it a Yoke and a Yoke intolerable and it was a freedom from that Law that constitutes the Liberty which the Apostle treats of in that Epistle And if it be also to be taken as our Author would have it for a freedom in matters of Worship from any thing but what is of Divine Institution that is a secondary sense and which may be taken from some parity of reason betwixt Case and Case but is not the Apostles nor the primary sense of it But take it how we will in this or the other I there shewed that the Apostles exhortation was of no use to them that plead it against submission to Authority in Indifferent Things when imposed in or about Divine Worship I am now come to the last general head of the aforesaid Tract which contained a short account of the things required in our Church as they were either Duty or Indifferent And for an inforcement of that and conclusion of the whole I shall briefly shew how far this Reverend Author consents to or by his concessions must be bound to acknowledge it Indeed he sometimes doth tell us that Nine parts of Ten of all Dissenters say they cannot comply with things required in the English Liturgy because they believe the things sinful and unlawful And elsewhere Two hardly of an Hundred think them Indifferent But whether our Author be of that number or at least has reason so to be I shall leave to his own conscience as to himself and to his concessions as to others In which I shall observe the method taken in the aforesaid Tract where I said all things objected against might be refer'd to Posture Forms and Times and shew'd these to be Natural or Moral circumstances of Action and inseparable from it Now in general he grants what are such may be lawfully used And if we come to particulars he doth at last yield it As for postures what more scrupled and opposed than Kneeling at the Sacrament Yet of this he saith There is no command in it and it is Indifferent that in all probability our Saviour administred it Kneeling and sitting backward upon his Legs that no Dissenter refuseth it because it is not decent but because it is a posture of Adoration that our Church doth not intend it as an homage to the Body of Christ there really present but declares that to do it as to the bread were an Idolatry to be abhor'd And in conclusion tells us that those that hesitate in that point fear a posture of Adoration used by Idolatrous Papists which is a consideration of no moment as has been already shewed As to Forms of Prayer he saith God has left us at liberty what words to use and further that for conceived Prayer we know no body saith no other must be used in Gods Worship and if so then Forms may be lawfully used in it But suppose any scruple the use of them he saith however We know no reason but people may hear them if any scruples the use of them he may yet have Communion with the Church we hope though he doth not act in it as a Minister As to time he saith the Law of Nature directs and for Festivals such as Purim amongst the Jews he saith It was generally commanded under the precepts of giving thanks for publick mercies Lastly Are the things required unlawful because imposed He answers Some of us including surely himself are not of that mind nay he affirms that the most sober Dissenters will agree in these things that is Natural circumstances to obey the command of Superiours provided it be not such as by circumstances is made sinful But if imposition would make them sinful such a command must not have been obeyed So that in the conclusion I see no reason why our Reverend Brother and the Dissenters he defends and that in all things as he saith agree to the Doctrine professed in the Articles of the Church of England should dissent from the Liturgy and Ceremonies of it as far as Lay-Communion is concerned in them Nor why he should tell us so much of Goals and Sessions and Judicatures and of the Sufferings they endure when if there things be true it 's for not doing what they lawfully can It is no wonder when such with-hold communion from the Church and set up other Churches against it that some call them as he complains perverse and contamacious persons and others call them damnable Schismaticks and are so bold as to say that such a separation from that Church is a separation from Christ And it 's likely he will meet with such