the_o character_n of_o a_o good_a man_n whether_o they_o have_v the_o same_o spirit_n of_o sincerity_n and_o piety_n and_o charity_n and_o the_o like_a then_o according_a to_o this_o notion_n i_o answer_v that_o i_o very_o believe_v they_o bid_v both_o the_o same_o spirit_n notwithstanding_o that_o difference_n and_o consequent_o that_o the_o spirit_n of_o the_o one_o as_o well_o as_o of_o the_o other_o be_v of_o god._n three_o and_o last_o this_o word_n spirit_n be_v sometime_o use_v to_o signify_v a_o persuasion_n concern_v some_o doctrine_n proceed_v from_o the_o immediate_a inspiration_n whether_o of_o the_o good_a or_o the_o evil_a spirit_n and_o if_o the_o question_n go_v upon_o this_o meaning_n it_o be_v a_o impertinent_a question_n for_o luther_n and_o calvin_n do_v not_o pretend_v to_o teach_v doctrine_n from_o immediate_a imspiration_n but_o to_o prove_v their_o doctrine_n by_o the_o scripture_n but_o if_o you_o only_o mean_v to_o make_v some_o advantage_n to_o yourself_o 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spirit_n of_o our_o english_a representer_n and_o those_o for_o who_o he_o undertake_v who_o all_o deny_v it_o be_v the_o same_o spirit_n if_o not_o than_o both_o can_v be_v of_o god._n sect._n 22_o quer._n be_v not_o john_n calvin_n a_o most_o impudent_a creature_n in_o assume_v to_o himself_o the_o office_n of_o reform_v the_o world_n be_v but_o a_o young_a man_n of_o twenty_o five_o or_o twenty_o six_o year_n of_o age_n and_o without_o all_o pretence_n of_o miracle_n a_o thing_n which_o christ_n himself_o undertake_v not_o under_o thirty_o year_n of_o age_n answ_n i_o think_v indeed_o geneva_n may_v pass_v for_o the_o world_n by_o the_o same_o figure_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n go_v for_o the_o catholic_n church_n when_o the_o world_n groan_v for_o a_o reformation_n i_o do_v not_o see_v where_o lie_v the_o impudence_n of_o try_v by_o good_a doctrine_n and_o example_n to_o reform_v that_o part_n of_o it_o where_o one_o life_n unless_o it_o lie_v in_o be_v impudent_o and_o brave_o good_a which_o be_v sometime_o necessary_a to_o give_v a_o check_n to_o impudence_n in_o that_o which_o be_v bad._n if_o he_o be_v a_o young_a man_n that_o take_v this_o upon_o himself_o he_o be_v the_o more_o to_o be_v commend_v and_o if_o he_o can_v fair_o carry_v the_o reformation_n beyond_o his_o own_o country_n this_o be_v still_o more_o commendable_a and_o if_o he_o can_v reform_v the_o whole_a world_n than_o i_o say_v for_o that_o which_o you_o call_v impudence_n generation_n to_o come_v aught_o to_o rise_v up_o to_o his_o name_n and_o call_v it_o bless_v you_o ought_v not_o i_o tell_v you_o to_o despise_v john_n calvin_n youth_n as_o one_o of_o your_o great_a one_o do_v luther_n meanness_n who_o hear_v the_o auspurg_n confession_n read_v say_v to_o his_o confident_a that_o these_o thing_n indeed_o be_v true_a but_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v endure_v that_o a_o pitiful_a monk_n shall_v reform_v the_o world._n but_o if_o nothing_o else_o will_v satisfy_v you_o but_o it_o must_v be_v impudence_n in_o a_o young_a man_n to_o think_v of_o reform_v the_o place_n where_o he_o live_v yet_o at_o least_o do_v not_o represent_v he_o as_o a_o most_o impudent_a creature_n for_o as_o i_o take_v it_o there_o be_v a_o long_a row_n of_o pope_n from_o formosus_fw-la downward_o who_o if_o your_o own_o historian_n be_v to_o be_v credit_v shall_v compare_v with_o john_n calvin_n in_o this_o point_n not_o of_o reform_v the_o world_n but_o the_o other_o and_o shall_v get_v the_o better_a of_o he_o by_o much_o and_o among_o these_o there_o be_v one_o john_n xi_o son_n to_o sergius_n iii_o one_o of_o his_o predecessor_n who_o be_v something_o less_o modest_a than_o john_n calvin_n in_o as_o much_o as_o be_v yet_o but_o a_o boy_n he_o take_v upon_o himself_o to_o be_v head_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n which_o our_o john_n i_o dare_v say_v will_v never_o have_v accept_v any_o time_n of_o his_o life_n indeed_o the_o young_a pope_n be_v thus_o far_o to_o be_v excuse_v that_o he_o be_v put_v into_o the_o chair_n by_o merocia_n who_o though_o she_o be_v not_o sergius_n wife_n be_v yet_o john_n mother_n for_o donna_n olympia_n be_v not_o the_o first_o of_o her_o quality_n that_o sway_v all_o at_o rome_n sect._n 23_o quer._n whether_o from_o the_o womb_n of_o the_o reformation_n have_v not_o issue_v all_o those_o slaughter_v rapine_n tumult_n plunder_v of_o church_n schism_n and_o civil_a war_n which_o break_v out_o in_o the_o year_n 1641._o answ_n no_o true_o for_o since_o the_o reformation_n the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v lend_v neither_o principle_n nor_o example_n nor_o counsel_n nor_o arm_n nor_o man_n nor_o money_n to_o carry_v on_o rebellion_n or_o rapine_n the_o world_n see_v that_o she_o stick_v by_o her_o royal_a master_n to_o to_o the_o last_o and_o if_o you_o say_v that_o it_o be_v her_o interest_n to_o do_v so_o then_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v grant_v that_o she_o have_v at_o other_o time_n give_v proof_n of_o a_o high_a principle_n nor_o can_v you_o without_o rub_v your_o forehead_n question_v the_o strictness_n of_o her_o loyalty_n who_o begin_v some_o of_o you_o to_o laugh_v at_o she_o for_o it_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v not_o say_v that_o the_o irish_a rebellion_n which_o break_v the_o ice_n for_o all_o those_o slaughter_v rapine_n etc._n etc._n which_o you_o mention_v to_o come_v after_o it_o that_o that_o issue_v too_o from_o the_o womb_n of_o the_o reformation_n i_o think_v this_o query_n have_v better_a rest_n lest_o when_o the_o mother_n of_o that_o offspring_n be_v agree_v upon_o we_o shall_v be_v tempt_v to_o inquire_v who_o be_v the_o father_n of_o it_o sect._n 24_o quer._n whether_o africa_n produce_v more_o variety_n of_o monster_n than_o britain_n do_v fanatic_n where_o every_o man_n may_v read_v and_o interpret_v the_o scripture_n according_a to_o his_o own_o judgement_n of_o discretion_n answ_n i_o know_v pretty_a well_o what_o fanatic_n britain_n have_v produce_v but_o what_o variety_n of_o monster_n africa_n produce_v i_o can_v well_o say_v the_o sure_a way_n to_o be_v satisfy_v be_v to_o go_v thither_o yourself_o for_o author_n be_v not_o agree_v but_o if_o by_o fanatic_n you_o mean_v false_a pretender_n to_o inspiration_n you_o may_v take_v your_o comparison_n near_a home_n where_o it_o be_v as_o much_o as_o a_o man_n or_o woman_n life_n be_v worth_a to_o have_v the_o scripture_n to_o read_v in_o short_a britain_n have_v fanatic_n but_o the_o british_a church_n do_v what_o she_o can_v to_o reclaim_v they_o which_o she_o think_v aught_o nor_o to_o be_v try_v by_o set_v up_o a_o inquisition_n for_o some_o of_o they_o and_o can_v be_v do_v by_o make_v saint_n of_o other_o of_o of_o they_o you_o understand_v i_o suppose_v and_o therefore_o go_v on_o sect._n 25_o quer._n whether_o queen_n elizabeth_n bear_v of_o ann_n bolen_n queen_n catharine_n yet_o live_v can_v be_v think_v legitimate_a answ_n without_o all_o question_n she_o can_v be_v think_v legitimate_a for_o i_o find_v that_o i_o think_v so_o and_o i_o know_v many_o who_o say_v so_o that_o do_v not_o use_v to_o say_v one_o thing_n and_o think_v another_o sect._n 26_o quer._n how_o admirable_a be_v the_o wisdom_n of_o henry_n the_o eight_o by_o expel_v one_o pope_n of_o rome_n to_o raise_v up_o infinite_a pope_n of_o his_o own_o subject_n answ_n not_o very_o admirable_a i_o confess_v if_o it_o be_v so_o for_o we_o have_v even_o too_o much_o of_o one_o pope_n of_o rome_n before_o as_o the_o complaint_n and_o the_o law_n of_o our_o ancestor_n can_v well_o witness_v but_o how_o do_v he_o raise_v up_o infinite_a pope_n of_o his_o own_o subject_n be_v there_o so_o many_o head_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n raise_v by_o he_o in_o his_o own_o dominion_n or_o do_v every_o
imprimatur_fw-la libre_fw-la cvi_fw-la titulus_fw-la several_a captious_a query_n etc._n etc._n guil._n needham_n may_v 10._o 1688._o several_a captious_a query_n concern_v the_o english_a reformation_n first_o propose_v by_o dean_n manby_n a_o irish_a convert_n in_o latin_n and_o afterward_o by_o t.w._n in_o english_a brief_o and_o full_o answer_v by_o the_o late_a reverend_n and_o learned_a dr._n clagett_n preacher_n to_o the_o honourable_a society_n of_o grays-inn_n and_o chaplain_n in_o ordinary_a to_o his_o majesty_n london_n print_v by_o h._n clark_n for_o james_n adamson_n at_o the_o angel_n and_o crown_n in_o st._n paul_n churchyard_n mdclxxxviii_o a_o answer_n to_o t._n w_n query_n sect._n 1_o quer._n the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v either_o the_o whole_a catholic_n church_n or_o a_o member_n thereof_o if_o a_o member_n only_o name_v i_o that_o church_n or_o congregation_n under_o the_o sun_n who_o sacrament_n and_o liturgy_n she_o embrace_v unless_o she_o have_v cut_v herself_o off_o form_n the_o rest_n of_o the_o body_n answ_n if_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v spread_v over_o the_o face_n of_o the_o whole_a earth_n except_v here_o in_o england_n and_o nothing_o will_v serve_v but_o we_o or_o they_o must_v be_v the_o catholic_n church_n reason_n will_v require_v that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n shall_v be_v so_o which_o be_v the_o better_a and_o not_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o will_v be_v but_o the_o big_a church_n but_o we_o pretend_v not_o to_o be_v the_o catholic_n church_n because_o we_o neither_o need_v nor_o aught_o to_o boast_v beyond_o truth_n the_o sacrament_n we_o embrace_v be_v receive_v by_o all_o christian_a church_n in_o the_o world_n and_o no_o church_n ought_v to_o receive_v any_o more_o we_o embrace_v the_o liturgy_n of_o the_o other_o reform_a church_n and_o use_v our_o own_o as_o they_o use_v their_o own_o and_o embrace_v we_o we_o embrace_v all_o that_o honest_a christian_o can_v embrace_v in_o the_o liturgy_n of_o the_o unreformed_a and_o we_o reject_v the_o rest_n we_o have_v not_o cut_v ourselves_o off_o from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o body_n but_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v do_v so_o because_o she_o be_v resolve_v to_o be_v all_o or_o nothing_o sect._n 2_o quer._n do_v she_o allow_v the_o sacrament_n of_o lutheran_n or_o calvinist_n answ_n she_o allow_v and_o administer_v the_o same_o sacrament_n that_o lutheran_n and_o calvinist_n do_v not_o because_o they_o be_v sacrament_n celebrate_v by_o they_o or_o by_o any_o other_o but_o because_o they_o be_v sacrament_n institute_v by_o christ._n sect._n 3_o quer._n from_o whence_o be_v cranmer_n that_o first_o patriarch_n or_o reformer_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n send_v who_o give_v he_o authority_n to_o preach_v his_o reform_a gospel_n be_v it_o just_a or_o honest_a for_o he_o to_o rise_v up_o against_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n by_o virtue_n of_o a_o commission_n from_o she_o receive_v and_o if_o so_o i_o pray_v inform_v i_o whether_o a_o bishop_n or_o minister_n fall_v from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n may_v not_o also_o take_v upon_o he_o to_o preach_v against_o the_o church_n of_o england_n by_o pretence_n of_o the_o order_n receive_v from_o her_o hand_n answ_n cranmer_z be_v immediate_o send_v by_o the_o bishop_n that_o ordain_v and_o consecrate_a he_o original_o by_o christ_n who_o leave_v that_o power_n in_o the_o church_n by_o which_o they_o do_v so_o so_o far_o therefore_o as_o he_o be_v the_o first_o reformer_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n he_o do_v what_o become_v his_o mission_n better_a than_o if_o he_o have_v go_v on_o to_o maintain_v false_a doctrine_n as_o the_o patriarch_n of_o rome_n do_v that_o he_o be_v the_o first_o reformer_n be_v not_o his_o fault_n but_o they_o who_o go_v before_o he_o in_o that_o great_a station_n and_o shall_v have_v do_v the_o same_o thing_n but_o do_v it_o not_o the_o gospel_n which_o he_o preach_v be_v not_o the_o gospel_n of_o man_n and_o therefore_o not_o his_o own_o but_o the_o gospel_n of_o christ_n nor_o be_v it_o proper_o a_o reform_a gospel_n which_o he_o preach_v since_o the_o gospel_n of_o christ_n be_v in_o all_o age_n one_o and_o the_o same_o but_o if_o because_o he_o reform_v the_o profession_n of_o the_o church_n in_o some_o thing_n which_o be_v no_o part_n of_o the_o gospel_n though_o they_o be_v pretend_v to_o be_v so_o he_o must_v be_v say_v to_o have_v preach_v a_o reform_a gospel_n neither_o be_v he_o to_o blame_v for_o that_o who_o duty_n it_o be_v to_o cast_v error_n out_o of_o the_o church_n but_o they_o only_o be_v to_o blame_v who_o have_v be_v so_o careless_a and_o treacherous_a as_o to_o let_v they_o in_o he_o do_v rise_v up_o against_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n when_o he_o arise_v against_o the_o corruption_n of_o that_o church_n which_o have_v obtain_v in_o england_n unless_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n can_v subsist_v without_o such_o notorious_a error_n as_o he_o rise_v up_o against_o he_o be_v not_o her_o enemy_n unless_o he_o become_v so_o by_o tell_v she_o the_o truth_n nor_o be_v it_o true_a that_o he_o receive_v his_o commission_n from_o rome_n though_o he_o receive_v it_o by_o the_o hand_n of_o bishop_n that_o be_v in_o servitude_n to_o that_o see_v for_o his_o commission_n have_v be_v every_o whit_n as_o good_a if_o they_o have_v not_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o roman_a bishop_n as_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o have_v be_v but_o since_o his_o obligation_n to_o christ_n from_o who_o he_o receive_v his_o commission_n by_o their_o hand_n be_v infinite_o great_a than_o to_o they_o it_o be_v just_a and_o honest_a in_o he_o to_o rise_v up_o against_o those_o unchristian_a doctrine_n and_o practice_n which_o they_o maintain_v and_o no_o less_o justifiable_a than_o to_o have_v rise_v up_o against_o the_o arian_n heresy_n if_o he_o have_v receive_v his_o order_n from_o arian_n bishop_n and_o if_o ever_o the_o church_n of_o england_n shall_v fall_v into_o the_o like_a corruption_n again_o which_o god_n forbid_v those_o bishop_n and_o minister_n that_o have_v receive_v order_n from_o her_o hand_n and_o who_o in_o discharge_n thereof_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o preach_v not_o against_o the_o church_n of_o england_n but_o against_o the_o wicked_a doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n those_o bishop_n etc._n etc._n i_o say_v will_v do_v not_o only_o what_o they_o may_v but_o what_o they_o ought_v to_o do_v and_o for_o the_o do_v of_o which_o they_o shall_v be_v reward_v at_o the_o last_o day_n by_o the_o great_a bishop_n and_o shepherd_n of_o soul_n by_o who_o authority_n and_o command_n they_o so_o do_v sect._n 4_o quer._n whether_o want_n of_o mission_n be_v not_o a_o error_n in_o the_o foundation_n of_o any_o church_n it_o be_v theft_n and_o robbery_n as_o our_o saviour_n have_v teach_v we_o not_o to_o enter_v by_o the_o door_n into_o the_o sheepfold_n answ_n that_o cranmer_n do_v or_o that_o our_o pastor_n now_o do_v want_n mission_n be_v falsehood_n insinuate_v by_o this_o query_n their_o mission_n have_v be_v more_o canonical_a than_o that_o of_o many_o of_o your_o pope_n have_v be_v but_o for_o once_o to_o answer_v direct_o to_o a_o impertinent_a question_n the_o want_n of_o such_o mission_n do_v not_o destroy_v the_o be_v or_o as_o you_o call_v it_o the_o foundation_n of_o a_o church_n nor_o be_v that_o the_o door_n of_o which_o our_o saviour_n speak_v in_o joh._n x._o since_o in_o the_o need_v of_o the_o church_n good_a shepherd_n may_v come_v into_o the_o fold_n without_o canonical_a mission_n and_o it_o have_v on_o the_o other_o side_n too_o often_o happen_v that_o thief_n and_o robber_n have_v come_v into_o the_o fold_n by_o it_o who_o come_v not_o but_o for_o to_o steal_v and_o to_o kill_v and_o to_o destroy_v sect._n 5_o quer._n whether_o cranmer_n enter_v by_o the_o parliament_n door_n or_o by_o the_o gate_n of_o the_o scripture_n but_o this_o latter_a be_v the_o old_a song_n of_o heretic_n and_o sectary_n perpetual_o 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against_o he_o sect._n 9_o quer._n but_o more_o common_a answer_n be_v that_o every_o national_a church_n may_v reform_v itself_o be_v it_o so_o then_o it_o follow_v scotland_n may_v reform_v itself_o to_o calvinism_n saxony_n to_o lutheranism_n etc._n etc._n answ_n and_o so_o you_o leave_v we_o to_o gather_v the_o rest_n in_o this_o manner_n but_o scotland_n ought_v not_o to_o reform_v to_o calvinism_n saxony_n to_o lutheranism_n and_o therefore_o a_o national_a church_n may_v not_o reform_v itself_o which_o be_v as_o much_o as_o to_o say_v that_o because_o the_o national_a churches_n which_o reform_v themselves_o do_v not_o all_o of_o they_o agree_v in_o every_o point_n of_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n with_o one_o another_o therefore_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o have_v reform_v the_o most_o manifest_a abuse_n notorious_a error_n in_o the_o take_n a_o way_n of_o which_o they_o all_o agree_v if_o you_o intend_v to_o insinuate_v that_o we_o confess_v some_o defect_n in_o this_o or_o 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sometime_o signify_v doctrine_n and_o if_o the_o meaning_n of_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o calvin_n doctrine_n against_o and_o luther_n for_o a_o corporal_a presence_n be_v the_o same_o i_o answer_v positive_o and_o resolute_o that_o they_o be_v not_o the_o same_o and_o final_o i_o grant_v that_o those_o two_o contrary_a doctrine_n can_v both_o be_v of_o god._n second_o by_o this_o word_n spirit_n we_o do_v sometime_o understand_v the_o disposition_n and_o temper_n of_o a_o man_n mind_n and_o than_o if_o the_o meaning_n of_o the_o query_n be_v whether_o calvin_n and_o luther_n one_o of_o who_o deny_v and_o the_o other_o maintain_v a_o corporal_a presence_n of_o christ_n etc._n etc._n whether_o i_o say_v both_o these_o man_n be_v for_o all_o this_o endue_v with_o the_o same_o quality_n that_o make_v up_o
what_o mean_v they_o by_o these_o word_n as_o well_o in_o all_o spiritual_a as_o temporal_a thing_n or_o cause_n etc._n etc._n but_o that_o protestant_n be_v swear_v to_o yield_v to_o the_o king_n all_o manner_n of_o obedience_n both_o civil_a and_o religious_a be_v they_o not_o oblige_v therefore_o according_a to_o the_o oath_n to_o become_v catholic_n with_o a_o catholic_n king_n calvinist_n with_o a_o calvinist_n king_n arian_n with_o a_o arian_n i_o say_v according_a to_o this_o oath_n because_o the_o king_n majesty_n be_v the_o only_a supreme_a governor_n under_o christ_n as_o well_o in_o all_o spiritual_a as_o temporal_a cause_n which_o word_n confess_v in_o the_o king_n a_o spiritual_a as_o well_o as_o civil_a jurisdiction_n but_o whence_o do_v his_o spiritual_a jurisdiction_n appear_v without_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n answ_n you_o have_v be_v as_o often_o tell_v what_o we_o mean_v by_o these_o word_n as_o well_o in_o all_o spiritual_a as_o temporal_a thing_n or_o cause_n as_o you_o have_v ask_v the_o question_n but_o you_o will_v never_o take_v notice_n of_o the_o answer_n nor_o make_v any_o exception_n to_o it_o and_o yet_o it_o be_v a_o even_a wager_n that_o the_o next_o set_v of_o query_n which_o you_o intend_v to_o astonish_v we_o with_o bring_v this_o over_o again_o but_o once_o more_o you_o be_v desire_v to_o take_v notice_n of_o the_o meaning_n of_o our_o church_n where_o it_o be_v most_o plain_o express_v viz._n in_o artic._n 37._o title_n of_o civil_a magistrate_n the_o king_n majesty_n have_v the_o chief_a power_n in_o the_o realm_n of_o england_n and_o other_o his_o dominion_n unto_o who_o the_o chief_a government_n of_o all_o estate_n of_o the_o realm_n whether_o they_o be_v ecclesiastical_a or_o civil_a in_o all_o cause_n do_v appertain_v and_o be_v not_o nor_o aught_o to_o be_v subject_a to_o any_o foreign_a jurisdiction_n where_o we_o attribute_v to_o the_o king_n majesty_n the_o chief_a government_n by_o which_o title_n we_o understand_v the_o mind_n of_o some_o standerous_a folk_n to_o be_v offend_v we_o give_v not_o to_o our_o prince_n the_o minister_a either_o of_o god_n word_n or_o of_o the_o sacrament_n the_o which_o thing_n the_o injunction_n set_v forth_o by_o elizabeth_n our_o queen_n do_v most_o plain_o testisie_n but_o that_o only_a prerogative_n which_o we_o see_v to_o have_v be_v give_v always_o to_o all_o godly_a prince_n in_o holy_a scripture_n by_o god_n himself_o that_o be_v that_o they_o shall_v rule_v all_o estate_n and_o degree_n commit_v to_o their_o charge_n by_o god_n whether_o they_o be_v ecclesiastical_a or_o temporal_a and_o restrain_v with_o the_o civil_a sword_n the_o stubborn_a and_o evil_a doer_n you_o see_v then_o our_o church_n acknowledge_v the_o king_n to_o be_v supreme_a governor_n in_o all_o cause_n and_o over_o all_o person_n ecclesiastical_a viz._n that_o no_o quality_n in_o the_o church_n nor_o cause_n of_o the_o church_n exempt_v a_o subject_a from_o the_o secular_a law_n and_o the_o sword_n of_o justice_n which_o may_v be_v very_o true_a as_o it_o undoubted_o be_v and_o yet_o all_o manner_n of_o obedience_n in_o religious_a matter_n shall_v not_o present_o become_v due_a to_o the_o king._n for_o when_o sovereign_n require_v their_o subject_n to_o do_v thing_n contrary_a to_o true_a religion_n if_o their_o subject_n give_v but_o one_o manner_n of_o obedience_n to_o their_o law_n which_o go_v with_o we_o under_o the_o name_n of_o passive_a obedience_n it_o save_v at_o once_o their_o acknowledgement_n of_o the_o sovereign_n supremacy_n over_o they_o and_o god_n supremacy_n over_o all._n so_o that_o we_o be_v not_o oblige_v by_o our_o oath_n to_o become_v calvinist_n with_o a_o calvinist_n king_n nor_o arian_n with_o a_o arian_n king_n nor_o roman_a catholic_n with_o such_o a_o king_n nor_o in_o a_o word_n to_o be_v of_o the_o king_n religion_n but_o to_o submit_v to_o his_o authority_n let_v his_o religion_n be_v what_o it_o will._n in_o short_a let_v the_o person_n or_o the_o cause_n be_v what_o they_o will_v out_o church_n acknowledge_v the_o king_n to_o be_v supreme_a governor_n in_o his_o dominion_n he_o only_o have_v the_o civil_a sword._n but_o now_o as_o for_o you_o that_o make_v the_o pope_n the_o head_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n and_o union_n to_o he_o necessary_a to_o your_o be_v a_o member_n of_o it_o who_o laugh_v at_o we_o for_o that_o dependence_n which_o our_o ecclesiastic_n have_v upon_o the_o king_n and_o depend_v in_o effect_n for_o all_o the_o benefit_n of_o christianity_n upon_o your_o ecclesiastical_a union_n to_o the_o pope_n which_o be_v something_o more_o than_o the_o article_n recognize_v of_o our_o sovereign_n you_o i_o say_v will_v do_v well_o to_o tell_v we_o how_o you_o can_v avoid_v be_v arian_n with_o a_o pope_n liberius_n or_o monothelite_n with_o a_o pope_n honorius_n or_o no_o image-worshipper_n with_o a_o pope_n gregory_n i._n or_o image-worshipper_n with_o a_o pope_n adrian_n i._n sect._n 32_o quer._n you_o will_v say_v the_o king_n be_v to_o be_v obey_v so_o far_o as_o we_o may_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o the_o kingdom_n be_v it_o so_o than_o it_o follow_v that_o the_o king_n be_v not_o supreme_a governor_n under_o christ_n but_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o the_o kingdom_n answ_n to_o this_o silly_a stuff_n i_o oppose_v a_o little_a plain_a sense_n that_o the_o law_n of_o the_o kingdom_n be_v not_o to_o be_v oppose_v to_o the_o supremacy_n of_o the_o king_n who_o law_n they_o be_v that_o the_o king_n be_v our_o supreme_a governor_n under_o god_n but_o that_o we_o know_v of_o no_o supreme_a governor_n that_o be_v to_o be_v obey_v absolute_o without_o any_o limitation_n whatsoever_o but_o god_n himself_o sect._n 33_o quer._n what_o if_o controversy_n rise_v between_o the_o king_n and_o his_o subject_n about_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o scripture_n who_o shall_v be_v judge_n the_o private_a spirit_n or_o not_o hence_o if_o be_o not_o mistake_v come_v the_o rise_v of_o our_o late_a civil_a war_n answ_n i_o dare_v say_v you_o be_v the_o first_o that_o ever_o find_v out_o the_o want_n of_o a_o judge_n betwixt_o king_n and_o people_n to_o be_v the_o rise_n of_o the_o late_a civil_a war_n it_o be_v pity_n the_o observation_n shall_v be_v lose_v for_o it_o be_v a_o notable_a one_o and_o will_v mend_v the_o history_n of_o those_o time_n not_o a_o little_a but_o pray_v who_o shall_v that_o judge_n be_v to_o determine_v the_o true_a sense_n of_o scripture_n between_o the_o king_n and_o his_o subject_n the_o pope_n without_o doubt_n and_o so_o we_o be_v get_v into_o the_o old_a circle_n again_o for_o if_o they_o must_v take_v the_o judgement_n of_o the_o pope_n at_o a_o venture_n than_o any_o man_n may_v be_v agree_v upon_o to_o be_v the_o judge_n and_o he_o will_v serve_v the_o turn_n as_o well_o as_o the_o pope_n but_o if_o god_n have_v make_v the_o pope_n judge_n that_o indeed_o be_v another_o case_n but_o how_o shall_v we_o know_v it_o by_o the_o scripture_n who_o then_o must_v be_v judge_n of_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o scripture_n with_o reference_n to_o the_o question_n the_o pope_n say_v it_o be_v a_o plain_a case_n on_o his_o side_n but_o it_o may_v be_v neither_o the_o king_n say_v it_o nor_o his_o subject_n who_o therefore_o must_v be_v the_o judge_n between_o the_o king_n and_o the_o pope_n or_o between_o his_o subject_n and_o the_o pope_n not_o the_o private_a spirit_n for_o the_o world_n for_o thence_o come_v war_n so_o that_o the_o pope_n must_v be_v judge_n because_o the_o scripture_n say_v so_o and_o the_o scripture_n say_v so_o because_o the_o pope_n must_v judge_v now_o if_o instead_o of_o pope_n you_o put_v in_o council_n you_o will_v find_v the_o circle_n go_v as_o round_o with_o one_o as_o other_o nor_o do_v i_o see_v how_o you_o can_v avoid_v it_o but_o by_o run_v out_o into_o the_o long_a line_n of_o a_o judge_n upon_o a_o judge_n without_o end_n which_o i_o give_v you_o some_o warn_n of_o before_o to_o conclude_v when_o you_o have_v tire_v yourselves_o with_o these_o frivolous_a expedient_n for_o the_o end_v of_o controversy_n do_v what_o you_o can_v you_o will_v find_v it_o best_o to_o come_v to_o that_o which_o you_o disgrace_v under_o the_o name_n of_o a_o private_a spirit_n the_o good_a use_n whereof_o be_v that_o which_o must_v do_v the_o business_n man_n must_v be_v honest_a and_o hearken_v to_o instruction_n and_o love_v truth_n and_o remember_v that_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n be_v come_v this_o you_o can_v deny_v to_o be_v the_o duty_n of_o all._n and_o if_o you_o and_o every_o body_n else_o can_v be_v bring_v to_o it_o then_o about_o plain_a thing_n there_o will_v be_v no_o controversy_n at_o all_o and_o those_o about_o point_n that_o be_v indeed_o difficult_a may_v do_v
a_o great_a deal_n of_o good_a but_o will_v be_v sure_a to_o do_v no_o hurt_v at_o all_o either_o to_o the_o church_n or_o to_o the_o world._n sect._n 34_o quer._n why_o do_v so_o many_o noble_a man_n under_o edward_n vi_o and_o queen_n elizabeth_n so_o ready_o embrace_v the_o reformation_n be_v it_o for_o conscience_n sake_n or_o the_o lucre_n church-land_n answ_n the_o nobleman_n under_o those_o prince_n be_v general_o for_o wisdom_n fortitude_n and_o manner_n a_o glory_n to_o their_o age_n and_o nation_n but_o now_o they_o be_v dead_a and_o go_v and_o it_o will_v be_v time_n enough_o to_o know_v the_o secret_a into_o which_o you_o be_v inquisitive_a when_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n come_v and_o till_o than_o i_o can_v be_v content_o ignorant_a whether_o it_o be_v for_o conscience_n sake_n or_o the_o lucre_n of_o church-land_n that_o you_o write_v these_o query_n sect._n 35_o quer._n why_o do_v englishmen_n so_o desirous_a of_o novelty_n hate_v popery_n perhaps_o because_o popery_n be_v no_o novelty_n answ_n if_o you_o be_v a_o englisman_n methinks_v it_o be_v no_o good_a sign_n of_o the_o religion_n you_o be_v of_o that_o it_o have_v inspire_v you_o with_o the_o scorn_n and_o hatred_n of_o your_o own_o countryman_n to_o that_o degree_n as_o to_o spend_v a_o reproach_n upon_o they_o which_o all_o the_o world_n see_v there_o be_v not_o the_o least_o appearance_n of_o cause_n for_o friend_n you_o take_v no_o little_a care_n to_o hedge_v in_o this_o abuse_n when_o you_o be_v fain_o to_o turn_v answerer_n to_o your_o own_o query_n to_o compass_v it_o to_o your_o mind_n but_o as_o your_o anger_n have_v be_v less_o so_o your_o wit_n have_v be_v more_o to_o have_v let_v alone_o both_o question_n and_o answer_n for_o there_o be_v that_o in_o they_o to_o clear_v we_o from_o your_o reproach_n you_o say_v we_o hate_v popery_n because_o it_o be_v no_o novelty_n and_o yet_o neither_o we_o nor_o our_o father_n nor_o our_o grandfather_n have_v profess_v or_o practise_v popery_n and_o therefore_o in_o spite_n of_o your_o heart_n popery_n must_v be_v a_o novelty_n to_o we_o who_o consequent_o if_o we_o may_v be_v judge_v of_o by_o this_o instance_n be_v not_o so_o desirous_a of_o novelty_n but_o if_o you_o have_v give_v we_o leave_n to_o answer_v your_o question_n why_o we_o be_v not_o in_o love_n with_o popery_n i_o shall_v have_v answer_v to_o this_o purpose_n that_o it_o be_v not_o so_o far_o a_o novelty_n neither_o but_o though_o we_o be_v stranger_n to_o the_o profession_n of_o it_o yet_o we_o have_v so_o true_a a_o idea_n of_o the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o your_o church_n that_o yourselves_o be_v not_o able_a to_o deceive_v we_o into_o another_o sect._n 36_o quer._n the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v either_o fallible_a or_o infallible_a it_o fallible_a as_o be_v confess_v by_o all_o then_o be_v she_o not_o sound_v upon_o a_o rock_n because_o she_o may_v deceive_v and_o be_v deceive_v answ_n after_o all_o the_o exquisite_a discourse_n that_o have_v be_v publish_v upon_o this_o subject_a it_o be_v what_o shall_v i_o call_v it_o to_o think_v that_o such_o a_o pitiful_a argument_n as_o this_o be_v worth_a a_o thought_n try_v if_o you_o please_v this_o knotty_a piece_n of_o work_n upon_o your_o own_o dear_a self_n for_o no_o other_o answer_v you_o shall_v have_v from_o i_o you_o sir_n be_v either_o fallible_a or_o infallible_a if_o fallible_a as_o i_o humble_o conceive_v you_o be_v than_o you_o be_v not_o found_v upon_o a_o rock_n because_o you_o may_v deceive_v and_o be_v deceive_v but_o this_o argument_n thus_o turn_v upon_o yourself_o be_v now_o i_o look_v upon_o it_o again_o a_o monstrous_a dull_a one_o i_o confess_v and_o that_o for_o prove_v you_o not_o to_o be_v build_v upon_o a_o rock_n because_o you_o may_v be_v deceive_v when_o it_o be_v so_o notorious_a that_o thou_o be_v all_o over_o actual_o deceive_v as_o thy_o lamentable_a papet_n show_v thou_o to_o be_v there_o be_v indeed_o a_o little_a life_n in_o that_o other_o part_n of_o the_o argument_n that_o you_o may_v deceive_v for_o perhaps_o that_o be_v not_o very_o much_o more_o than_o possible_a so_o that_o i_o think_v this_o little_a pain_n i_o have_v take_v may_v have_v be_v spare_v for_o i_o dare_v say_v there_o be_v very_o few_o who_o you_o and_o your_o query_n will_v be_v able_a to_o deceive_v sect._n 37_o quer._n whether_o cardinal_n wolsey_n do_v wise_o by_o demolish_n monastery_n to_o find_a college_n the_o reason_n of_o this_o doubt_n be_v because_o the_o tree_n of_o knowledge_n be_v not_o the_o tree_n of_o life_n answ_n so_o so_o monastery_n be_v the_o tree_n of_o life_n and_o college_n be_v the_o tree_n of_o knowledge_n very_o neat_a and_o witty_a i_o promise_v you_o hence_o forward_o we_o shall_v not_o want_v a_o text_n to_o prove_v that_o ignorance_n be_v the_o mother_n of_o devotion_n if_o erasmus_n have_v not_o happen_v upon_o something_o like_o this_o in_o his_o emcomium_fw-la moriae_fw-la by_o my_o consent_n it_o 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