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A03398 A suruay of the pretended holy discipline. Contayning the beginninges, successe, parts, proceedings, authority, and doctrine of it: with some of the manifold, and materiall repugnances, varieties and vncertaineties, in that behalfe Bancroft, Richard, 1544-1610. 1593 (1593) STC 1352; ESTC S100667 297,820 466

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bishop_n ground_v themselves_o upon_o one_o of_o cartwrighte_n principle_n 439._o that_o any_o increase_n of_o authority_n be_v add_v to_o a_o church-minister_n do_v clean_o change_v his_o ministry_n and_o make_v it_o a_o new_a ministry_n whereupon_o they_o conclude_v that_o archishop_n and_o bishop_n have_v receyve_v a_o increase_n of_o their_o authority_n by_o diverse_a council_n etc._n etc._n be_v become_v to_o be_v of_o a_o new_a ministry_n never_o ordain_v by_o christ_n nor_o his_o apostle_n and_o so_o consequent_o unlawful_a and_o to_o be_v abolish_v the_o folly_n of_o this_o collection_n have_v be_v show_v many_o way_n both_o by_o reason_n and_o by_o example_n but_o yet_o they_o have_v not_o be_v satisfy_v but_o now_o you_o shall_v see_v they_o be_v put_v to_o silence_n for_o ever_o for_o beza_n be_v peremptory_a to_o the_o contrary_a of_o that_o which_o they_o have_v so_o enforce_v in_o his_o book_n against_o doctor_n saravia_n speak_v of_o a_o place_n of_o jeromes_n 152._o 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