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A87242	A true copy of a second letter, sent from the Lord of Inchiquine to the honorable Collonell Michaell Iones commander in chiefe of the Parliaments forces in Leinster, and governor of the citty of Dublin, vvith Colonell Iones his answer, to the Lord of Inchiquines saied letter.	Inchiquin, Murrough O'Brien, Earl of, 1614-1674.; Jones, Michael, d. 1649.	1649 (1649)	Wing I135B; ESTC R223518	7,161	20

discourses and a verball Conference which was that spoken of and that at the distance wee are with each other was not in prudence to bee admitted especially in causes of this consequence The Lord of Oxmonde soe apprehended it whole transactions first with the Irish and after with the Parliament Commissioners passed not in discourses but in writting and that as to very circumstances writeing surely not conference is the prudent and cleare way for such proceedings let not therefore my declining that your way be apprehended as proceeding either out of diffidence of my cause or from a Resolution to bold the conclusion without respect had to the premisses or out of any distrust of your ingenuity but as not being a way secure and fatisfactory Neither am I enabled by the Parliament to dispute and debate their intrests otherwise then in the way wee now are by the Sword wherin I doubt not of a good conclusion the Lord asisting mee It troubles you much that I mention the Lords blessing this his owne cause with us you say that God blesseth men in evill courses A good cause I know may some time suffer Yet is it not incongruous Circumstances considered to conclude the justice of a cause from Gods blessing it seeing his blessing is expected and assured to his worke by speciall promise the sinnes of those therein instrumentall not interposing But it seemes very strange what you say and the Stranger if it bee the sence of those Divines with you that God blesseth men in evill courses Gods suffering them for a time to proceed in evill succesfully is not a blessing of them in evill courses there being to evill none of Gods blessings appropriated But for us it is our comfort that wee can and doe thus boast of the Lords blessing this his worke in our hands wherein hath been mightily visibly magnified the Glorie of his power and truth and goodnesse even in the lowest of our Condition to us an Evidence of his owne cause with us And in soe concluding I but assume the same freedome which your Lordship hath done you having in effect soe concluded from the succesfullnes of your Sword And this our cause is the same with that which your Lordship seemed then to hold Your Lordship justifieth your joyning with the Rebells by way of Recrimination objecting the same to others If to mee you intend it I speake it plainly it is a Charge very unjust to say no more But as to your selfe you stick not openly to professe and justify your proceedings in that kinde asserting it a Christian act for therein you say you Received penitents strange Penitents are they who after soe much blood and spoile of Innocents are now soe farre from satisfiing their wrong doings that they professe themselves not guilty and whose Penitence is only in that they failed in accomplishing their evill in fullnes which in the now setling them in that power given in your Christian union with them they may haue hereafter fitting opertunity to accomplish to the uttermost soe as they may not need further Penitence in that Particular You smile you say at that Charged to you of your Changing At it my Lord do your Enemies smile but griefe it is to your friends and all well affected who your friend can smile at your falling away and to speake plainely at your betraying that trust reposed in you can you smile at you turning that sword put into your hands by the Parliament against those who have soe trusted and maintained you were you called out against these bloody Rebells and for the Protestants and can you smile to see your selfe now in the head of those very Rebells or with them and for them and that against even English and Protestants can you smile my Lord in your betraying those poore English your Care and trust and in offering them up in time a sacrifice to the malice of their mortall Enemies having first removed and by their hands alsoe which is intended those here who pitty them and by whom they might bee from those evills rescued You tell me that you have not changed your Cause but your Party and what was your Cause then I beseech you and what is it now was not the prosecution of this Warre against the Rebells then your Cause this was surely your Trust and for any thing appearing was it that only or principally in your trust and are you not now taken of from this is this your Cause now are you not now changed to the quite contrary your Cause you say is the maintenance of the King of Laws of Religion and of the Liberties of Parliament so indeed in your Covenant But your sticking unto these if unto them you sticke excuseth you nothing as to your failing in that principally Committed to you in that Province the employing those Armes and powers given you against the Rebells our common Enemies There is not the meanest Covenanter who pretends not equall intrest with you in these common engagements but you were besides all hese eminently called above others to that high trust from which you have soe fallen as your Honour is no way salved no● vindi●ated by a pretended adheiring to other your profession your doing somethings excuseth not your failing in that principally expected from you You object to us new raised Heresies c. wee detest them as much as you or any neither account we them any part of our Doctrine and of the Religion now professed in the Church of England I wish some of your Lordships Divines now with you whose pennes are parhapps in this Charge to us were not chargable with corruption in that kinde makeing way for Heresies and even for Popery it selfe alsoe being thereby with others of like straine authors of those evills this day covering the face of Church and State whereof they may bee in due time sensible Much more you say might bee said in your defence I beseech your Lordship to re●erve it for some time of better leasure and for some other person fitter for such debateings Wha● I have now done was for shewing my selfe nothing satisfied with any thing yet by your Lordship delivered and that others might not bee abused in suffering yours to passe me unanswered But for the future I desire your Lordship would be pleased not to trouble your selfe not mee in thi● kinde any further I am otherwise emploved then to spend time in answering some there whose penns are at better leasure then either yours or mine at present So I remaine My Lord Your Lordships humble Servant Mic Iones Dublin Iune 23th 1649. For the Lord Baron of Inchiquine These

those that you intend and recommended them to the Parliament for farr better conditions then wee give to those who submitt to his Maiesty This is evident that h●●e maintaines a strict league and correspondance with them then with his Majesties loyall English Subjects witnes his owne letter to Collonell Collom Brien mac Mahon the originall whereof is in my hands excusing the taking of a prey upon mac Mahons lands and promising his owne endeavour and major Caddugans for restitution thereof in these words It seemes this misfortune happened to you upon an Information that you were removing with your Creaghts and that you kept the horse you have to joyne with Ormondes being of that faction those whom you call in publique bloody Rebells you hugge and protect in private but his Majesties freinds are those you most maligne Is that an horrid Crime in us which is a vertue in your selves observe how partiality doth blind your eyes is this our Crime that you prosecute with such outcries that wee have not rooted out a nation and those whose ancestors with their bloods did propagate the English interest in this Kingdome but as becometh Christians have received the penitent to mercy after they have thrust from them their misleaders That wee acknowledge them for fellow subjects to whom his Majesty hath extended his grace that wee refuse not their assistance in the defence of our Common King and Country now that they have left their unlawfull courses to concurre with us in our just and pious ends whom we prosecuted as Rebells formerly If there were any blemish in this as there is none it reflects principally on those whose Religion infusing better principles into them have been to the scandall thereof contrivers and fomenters of all our mischeifes first necessitating us to make use of the joint concurrenc of those of the Roman cumunion for our common defence then blaming us for joyning rather with them then to have both our bodies and soules inslaved by a packe of insulting Rebells No no sir wee have seen to our cost how much our divisions have conduced and would conduce to their greedy and ambitious ends As for that charge you lay to mee I smile at it and advise you seriously to looke into your selfe I have changed the party but not the cause you have changed the cause but not the party make all things the same they were pretended to mee and the world and I am the same I ever was but when time hath discovered the hidden misteries and jugling trickes of cheating mountebankes and imposters for moe to persist in their fellowship were not constancy but selfe willed obstinacy I have as you desire seriously considered my former engadgments and the more I ponder the more I finde my selfe oblieged in honour and conscience to desert that party I engadged my selfe by oath to defend the Kings person prerogative and posterity and therefore I cannot consent to that execrable murther of his Majesty and the utter disinheritance of my now gratious Soveraigne I engadged to preserve the lawes and therefore I cannot without wilfull perjury see the lawes subverted by a factious Army I engadged to maintaine Religion and therefore cannot indure to see the resurrection of all schimes herecies blasphemies out of the grave of oblivion wherein they have been long buried I engadged for the just liberties of the Parliament and people and therefore am bound to oppose the annihilating or exvnaniting the power of Parliament by an handfull of upstarts and the transferring the people from the service of their lawfull Soveraigne to the vassalladge of domineering Rebells give mee leave with the same freedome to put you in minde of your oaths and engadgments both as a subject and a professor of the lawes and those not obtruded upon you by feare or force not disalowed by a lawfull superior nor repugnant to law or precedent obligations Lastly for the Protestant Religion if you intend that of the Church of England wherein you were baptized and breed wherein your father was your uncles are and your brother professeth to bee an eminent pastor I am ready to joine hands and heart with you in the defence and propagation thereof if you desire a generall Sinod of all the Protestants in Europe to beget either a neerer vniformity or a righter understanding among us I shall endeavour the same alsoe within the bounds of my calling But if by the Protestant Religion you intend a confusion or invndation of all those monstrous and heterogeneous errours which have over spread the face of the English Church or if you thinke it lawfull for private persons or subordinate Magestrates without the consent against the will of their lawfull Soveraigne to introduce novelties into the Church according to their particular fancies I must crave leave to dissent from you And now sir to conclude all whether you or I doe entend or endea●our more Really the advancement of the Protestant Religion and the English interest in this Kingdome that is the defence of the English Subject in his just propriety the monarch of England in his just Soveraignty I appeale to God the searcher of all hearts and to the tribunall of Christ before which wee must one day giue an account of our actions much more might be said in our defence but this is satisfactory if not to you yet to him who desireth is be From the Campe of his Maties Army at Finglas the 23th of Iune 1649. Sir Your friend and Servant Inchiquine For Collonell Michaell Iones Th●se My Lord. YOur Lordships of this date I re●ieved it being in pursuance of your former of the 20th instant Therein I finde a large recollection of what had been once and againe forme●ly offered and urged by the Lord of Ormonde endeavouring the diverting mee from my course by laying before mee the late proceedings in England The cunto and to your Lordship is the Answer the same summarily which was formerly given on the like occasion That in all that the service heere is noe way concerned only as to a Christian fellow feeling of each others suffering And in what this service hath suffered by those unhappy differencies obstructing those supplies whereby the worke heere had been before now finished otherwise I see not how from those distractions in England is to bee concluded either in Honour or Reason what you intend my giving up to the Rebells and their adherents this place and Charge committed mee which by Gods grace I shall never doe Your Lordship now againe press●th that Conference defined in your former And particularly you except to my saying That is prudence it was not to bee admitted in matters of this consequence you tell mee that if advice and deliberation bee necessary it is in matters of moment and consequence But my Lord it is not understood of advising with Enemies whose Councells although never soe specious are to be suspected Nor was it said that advice was not necessary in matters of consequence but that