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A42578 Veteres vindicati, in an expostulatory letter to Mr. Sclater of Putney, upon his Consensus veterum, &c. wherein the absurdity of his method, the weakness of his reasons are shewn, his false aspersions upon the Church of England are wiped off, and her faith concerning the Eucharist proved Gee, Edward, 1657-1730. 1687 (1687) Wing G462; ESTC R22037 94,746 111

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matth._n 16.13_o 14_o etc._n etc._n wherein_o the_o discourse_n of_o our_o saviour_n with_o his_o disciple_n and_o his_o gift_n of_o the_o key_n to_o peter_n be_v record_v speak_v to_o his_o disciple_n as_o invest_v already_o with_o this_o power_n of_o bind_v and_o lose_v heaven_n lose_v s._n matt._n 18.17_o 18._o and_o if_o he_o shall_v neglect_v to_o hear_v they_o tell_v it_o unto_o the_o church_n but_o if_o he_o neglect_v to_o hear_v the_o church_n let_v he_o be_v to_o thou_o as_o a_o heathen_a man_n and_o a_o publican_n very_o i_o say_v unto_o you_o whatsoever_o you_o shall_v bind_v on_o earth_n shall_v be_v bind_v etc._n etc._n and_o whatsoever_o you_o shall_v loose_v shall_v be_v loose_v in_o heaven_n which_o place_n with_o i_o put_v it_o past_o all_o doubt_n that_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v equal_o concern_v in_o that_o speech_n of_o our_o saviour_n to_n st._n peter_n and_o thereby_o have_v equal_a power_n but_o if_o they_o will_v not_o allow_v this_o place_n to_o 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confident_a i_o can_v make_v even_o you_o confess_v that_o he_o mount_v he_o above_o st._n peter_n himself_o concern_v who_o you_o have_v furnish_v a_o catalogue_n of_o such_o glorious_a title_n look_v but_o upon_o his_o comment_n on_o that_o 679._o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d chrys_n tom._n 3._o p._n 679._o say_n of_o st._n paul_n 2_o cor._n 11.28_o about_o his_o care_n of_o all_o the_o church_n a_o passage_n by_o the_o bye_n that_o be_v more_o than_o all_o your_o whole_a church_n can_v patch_v together_o for_o st._n peter_n how_o he_o advance_v our_o apostle_n there_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o st._n paul_n have_v the_o care_n and_o charge_v not_o of_o a_o single_a house_n but_o of_o city_n and_o country_n and_o nation_n yea_o of_o the_o whole_a world_n 364._o world_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d orat._n 5._o contr_n jud._n tom._n 6._o pag._n 364._o in_o another_o place_n that_o he_o be_v entrust_v with_o the_o charge_n and_o government_n of_o the_o whole_a world_n which_o 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