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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85519	The grand concernments of England ensured: viz. liberty of conscience, extirpation of popery, defence of property, easing of taxes, advance of trade, soveraign powers of Parliaments, reformation of religion, laws and liberties, indempnity, settlement, by a constant succession of free Parliaments, the only possible expedient to preserve us from ruine or slavery. The objections, answered; but more largely, that of a senate. With a sad expostulation, and some smart rebukes to the Army.		1659 (1659)	Wing G1492; Thomason E1001_6; ESTC R204729	70,399	77

any orderly debate To which I return That such a number as cannot understand that cannot make out to one another the benefit of mankind are too many to make good the interest of mankind in away of reason and if in any particular they hit upon it t is more by hap then any good cunning Therefore I believe that so many and no more as may among themselves be well informed of their own and the peoples in crest being universally the same are the only men and number of men to preserve the interest of mankind When a fire breaks out t is the interest of the whole neighbourhood to quench it but they may be too many to be useful therefore the supernumeraries had better be at home that they be no hinderance That may be the interest of the whole Nation that doth not call for so great numbers to keep it on foot therefore those that may be well enough spared let them keep at home too many are troublesome and stand in one anothers light Why 1050 and no lesse to look to the interest of England besides 300 to be the light of England Or why the light of mankind must be separated from the interest of mankind is very dark to me If the one body be all eye where is its tasting and its feeling if the other be all lasting and feeling where is its seeing this is not altogether so good contrivance as where two half-blind Coachhorses are so placed that this may see on the one side and that on the other though they can scarce see each other their blinde sides being next together The people saith Mr. Harrington can feel but they cannot see well then the light of this Body is the eye that is the Senate if then the Eye be at Westminster and the Body be at St. Pauls Church for a little place cannot hold 1050 men I perswade my self this body must be full of darkness Why 1050 pray a lesse number was formerly thought enough to assert the interest of mankinde against the light of mankinde the Lords spiritual and temporal and the Judges to boot which was the interest of some men besides when yet the Commons were thought to have and were found to have the light of mankinde in them too yea and have so well asserted and made good the interest of mankinde against those lights and private interests that leaves no man great cause to except against their number Why 500 or thereabouts being equally distributed for elections according to the interest of every part of England should not as well preserve the interest of mankinde as 1050 especially when hereby the Body hath its eyes in its head hath in it self the light of mankind and the interest of makind can see and feel both I know not And unlesse we should put out our eyes because some say they that see best here worst sometimes and they that hear worst seebest oft times the losse of one sense being the increase of another and so because the Great Counsel is blinde it should feel the better or the Senate because it doth not feel so much must see the better unlesse this be good reason I am bound to think best of A single Assembly But stay The Senate is the light reason or learning of mankinde and how easie it is for reason and learning to delude sense let any one imagine It is true there are some things so sensibly certain that they are not to be over ruled by any shew of reason but reason seldome busieth its selfe about these nor are these the things that so frequently occur unto the consideration of our Representatives if these were the things there would be the lesse necessity for the light of mankinde the reason of a Senate being to debate hard matters things that are not so liable to sense This difficulty will yet remain Whether since Mr. Harrington saith a Senate alone will not be honest it be like to be ever the honester hereby while by their light of reason and learning it will be no hard matter in many things to dazle the weak sight of that vast Animal if both parties do at all agree whereby the benefit to result will be this only that iniquity be established by a Law by a more seeming or pretended reason and interest Sense doth not much foresee the benefit of a Law to be made though it feels the good of a Law that hath been sometime in force therefore it will be no hard matter for seeming reason to seduce common sense This great Counsel wherein it may be some may be found to have scarce common sense had need to be well instructed better then a Senate can inform them by an Oration or Preachment where every ones tale is good till anothers is told or else they are like enough to do they know not what for I doubt me every man hath not a light within him to a certain knowledge of good or evill the interest or prejudice of the State that without any more adoe we should be left to do as God shall direct us let me put a case 1050 are chosen for the Great Councel and 300 for the Senate according to Mr. Harringtons free way of Election for fear of fixing any in opposition The 300 propose That CHARLES STUART be made King of England I may suppose this for Mr. Harrington saith in effect The Senate will not be honest if they can chuse and a King might not do much amisse with these two Counsels well what will the sense and interest of the 1050 say to this supposing there must be no debating this businesse there but every one must put their mindes in a box without telling tales there be some in the world that would lay two to one their sense would soon inform them that it is their interest to make him King I leave the Reader to a free judgement once more the 300 would seem wiser and in their grave judgements propound to the 1050 to settle some Sectary as we call them Lord Archon and Sole Legislator of England and signifie to them that it is the National interest so to do without debating the matter but away presently to the Balloting box I conceive their sense would hardly convince them that either the one or the other were their interest the sense of people in many things is a kinde of prepossession they must be soundly convinced here if they believe any thing but what they thought before be it true or false but in other things they are more facile and ductile and not so hard to be imposed on If they are prepossessed with an error then the work is done to hand 't is but proposing and 't is presently resolved If they are prepossess●d with their true Interest if the contrary be not of necessity to the design of the Senate it may lie still till better leasure but if it be of absolute necessity I hope it will be held fit that this be introduced

of Penal Laws they cannot but remember how far from grievous they were in the late Kings time the Catholicks living here notwithstanding them in more flourishing condition then they of Italy France or Spain under their respective Princes and would do infinitely more under their natural King then if any forainer should acquire the power by conquest Besides having generally adhered to the late King in his Wars have no reason to distrust the finding favorable treatment from his Son and to share in that indulgence he is ready to afford even his greatest enemies i. e. such are Presbyterians and Independents this is Authentick Yea and besides all this who can tell he hath not sucked in some of his Mothers milk Thirdly The defence of Property is the common interest of the Nation I will not mispend a word to prove this least I should reproach my Countreymen of so much easiness as ignorance of such a foundamentall in reason as this Whether Properly be in danger of being invaded by the calling in the late Kings Son is more worthy of our enquiry How many purchasors are there of Bishops Lands Dean and Chapters Lands Delinquents Lands and Crown Lands whose Fee-simple would be no very wise title but much worse then Tenure in Villenage let any man of reason imagine this will not only concern Roundheads but many who in other matters are at no great distance with Episcopacy have their hands full of them they being bought and sold over and over many to whose hands this will come will no doubt be sufficiently sensible hereof that these are alienated upon as good if no better reason then were the Abby Lands c. in Hen. 8. time none that were the first buyers had I believe any jealousie to the contrary nor hath any man any thing material to object against it King and Delinquents Lands were justly forfeited for raising and levying War upon the Parliament the Bishops Lands because those men involved us into those Distractions and abetted and adhered unto that party and drove the Chariot of the Church so furiously that they were like to overthrow all wherefore the State found it good prudence to take down their mettle by making better use of their Lands to satisfie publick debts and so to leave them disabled for the future to disturbe our peace which if their Lands had been reserved they would have been alwayes attempting to recover and therewith the Government of Church and State too the other Church lands went in company to help pay debts being exposed to forfeiture by the general malignancy of the incumbents besides were of no other signification then to maintain a company of lazy Lubbers the Nation is hereby generally concerned to secure them their purchases as those were secured and untouched in Hen. 8. time that Qeen Mary could do the Pope no courtesie in the former my Author denies not that if any should go about to attempt the latter it would cost him hot water I do most willingly believe however as the one was attempted so most certainly would the other and with much more violence the temptation being now far greater since he must be a sorry King that hath lost his Estate Queen Mary was not altogether so nearly concerned Is it imaginable when he shall return King of these Nations he will endure to see the Crown Lands fallen into the fingers of John an Oakes and John a Stiles himself King of England and not a foot of Land could he say soul take thine ease while those Loyal hearts that followed him through thick and thin in peril at Land in peril at Sea remain fleeced of thousands and some it may be of ten thousands per annum all the Church Lands gone and nothing left to oblige those props of Prerogative would this give his Majesty a competent satisfaction to sit down and let it rest thus I trow not How can he look upon himself as other then a burden to his Countrey if he must live upon the Charity of well disposed people such too would be the case of his Sequestered adherents and could this comport with the honour of his Majesty could he see his Bishops Deans and Chapters thus brought to desolation so far from having their k●ngdom in this world that they should have scarce a hole to put their head in and would not this be a hard Chapter Could he look upon himself under the first consideration and believe he were The high and mighty Prince CHARLES King of England Scotland c. or under the second and not think he had lost the Crown of his Crown could he believe himself Defender of the Faith It is come to this issue Either Purchasers must be robbed of their Estates for which some of them have paid dear enough and ready money or he must live upon a general Contribution which latter I have so honorable thoughts of him as to believe he would not endure the former would be dishonest the latter ignoble the former would be an oppression the ruine of many the latter an intolerable burden upon all How well then they will befriend him that shall put him upon this Dilemma let our adversaries themselves be the judges Besides no body knowes how many new Delinquents must be made it would be no easie matter to perswade every man that hath adhered to the Parliament that their Estates should be so much their own as at the pleasure of Prerogative yea should the strongest obligations immaginable be fastned on him to bind up his hands from doing these Roundheads and Puritans harme yet would they hardly bind Him and his Heirs for ever Whence must come those rewards that our Author promiseth they shall be sure to finde that have served him in any kinde especially they that are instrumental in his restitution Certainly want of money which he must needs be reduced unto to gratifie them being abundance almost innumerable swarmes of crawling croaking creeping things that helped to undo his Father and him in the late Wars will make invincible necessity good reason of State for some arbitrary proceedings and then this decayed threedbare Courtier will beg that Roundheaded dog for a Ward and that beggarly Cavalier will beg this Puritan that Presbyterian the other Independent or Anabaptist for a fool and veryly I would have them beg us all for fools when we have no more wit And however he may be engaged to forgive us yet can hardly be obliged to forget us we shall be as bad as bound to our good behaviour it must needs be enough being added to our former transgression to entitle us to beggery if not to the Gallows to pisse against a Church wall The Cavaliers that cannot contain themselves from looking us through and through and cursing us to our faces while they are scarce yet in so good condition as to call it a State Militant will make no great trouble of it when they arrive at their State Triumphant to pick a hole in our

will carry on our design this is the Refined Interest whether it be honest or whether it be just it matters not many men extoll that Junto to this day though the very Constitution of it stinketh in the Nostrils of every considerate man as tending utterly to cheat us of our Choice And what do not men magnifie now adayes that will but say as they say Beshrew that Christian Policy that would ride over our Rights and Priviledges under Pretense of a Refined Interest Those that will forget to be Men will not long remember to be Christians They that will dash the Second Table of the Law to pieces will hardly keep the first Table as they ought Will you rob us of our Rights and kill us by Famine and decay of Trade Surely we must all be Souldiers ere long and then we shall get a Vote among you Will ye kill will you steal and say Ye are delivered to work all these Abominations No you are out all this while We will be honester then you think for we will have Parliaments still chosen by the people But it cannot be safe for the Godly unlesse we choose a Select number of faithfull men Faithfull to the GOOD OLD CAUSE that shall be a Check to the Parliament an Influencing Senate as Mr. Stubs hath it who hath written a Book on purpose to prove Sir Henry Vane no Jesuite Sure Mr. Stubs did not finde this in Mr. Harringtons Modell which he admires as if it were a pattern out of the Mount No certainly Mr. Harrington hath more Wisdome and more Honesty His Senate is only to give light he doth not propound a Senate to be the Interest of the Common wealth to secure the Honest party nor yet an Influencing Senate to be chosen by a few men that call themselves the Godly party But to be chosen by the People as the other House These two Senates are as contrary as White to Black And if Mr. Harringtons Modell came out of the Mount I wonder from whence from what Manuscript this Library-keepers Noddle did bring one his If there must be a Senate surely none better certainly none can be honest and just but that which the People choose as Mr. Harrington saith Pray why should the Army choose Are there not as Honest men as themselves in every part of the Nation What I 'le warrant the major part is the worse part therefore they must not be trusted But the Council of Officers I wonder indeed how the major part of the Council of Officers can take themselves to be honest who first Declared against A Single Person Then routed the Parliament Then set up a Mock-Parliament then pulled it down Then made their Generall Protector for life then made him to beget a Protector Then broke this Government Then suffered the Parliament to sit again Now have broke them again What comes next That which they will break again ere long One can hardly give a worse Character of Men Meddle not with them that are given to Change And must these choose us an Influencing Senate It is like to be well done Well and when all is done carry on your Refined Interest as well as you can your Mock-Parliament or Seventy Elders would never agree some would see further into Milstones then others and had a more Glorious Cause to carry on then the rest and then this would be the Refined Interest there would be no end till we fall all to Errant Popery Yea your Senate and your Parliament would agree like Cats and Dogs they would never unite where then is your Design Have you no Guts in your Brains Why do you rage and imagine a vain thing As sure as you live nothing but honest and righteous things will be a Foundation for us to bottome upon if we mean to stand against the Windes and Waves that are like to beat against our House He is no Designer now that will not be Honest Nothing but Honesty and a publick heart can carry us with credit and safety through these Discriminating times Never were such dayes of Triall in England They may go to School again that have Machiavil by heart there h●th been and is another Game going in England then these Gamesters are aware of He must have been purely honest and not much pre-possessed that hath not gravelled himself in these last twenty years Ye have many Flatterers but few reall Friends Glad my heart and do Righteous things you that are Honest Ye cannot wipe your mouth and say What evill have we done now Ye cannot have such a Face of Brasse such a Whores Forehead Repent repent Deny us not our just Rights let Righteousnesse take place So shall you repair the Breach you have made upon us so shall we be established for God establisheth the Just And let us by no means talk deceitfully for God To say no more It is the most ruinous the most dangerous and destructive action that ever was taken to task Parliament broken the Nation unsetled Friends discontented no body but blames you Lawes and Liberties all a going the Sword Rampant the Nation undone your Enemies more numerous and mighty the Common Interest of the Nation in jeopardy your GOOD OLD CAUSE at stake nay your own Throats ready to be cut as if you were going like an Oxe to the Slaughter or a Fool to the correction of the Stocks like a Bird snared in an evil Net like a Bird that hasteth to the net and knoweth not that it is for his life What say Friends and Foes The Army would not referre the Nation unto the care of this Parliament that were as one should say Flesh of their Flesh and Bone of their Bone surely no Parliament will ever do good upon them since this could not If any other Parliament crosse them then they must turn out for Malignants With this word in their ears What shall we be Governed by them we conquered but the other day are there no English spirits in the Nation What can you exp●ct but a generall Revolt of the People and that all the Nation should be in Bloud Surely it is as good for us to die as to live the Slaves of our Servants most of whom our purses have raised from the dunghil Sir George Booth is an inconsiderable Traytor now you may be ashamed to Sequester his Estate who did but endevour to do what you have done and had more to say for himself ten to one then you Every thing looks black about us at home and abroad Neighbours at home ready to cut our throats and yours too at this very instant you have disobliged your friends and yet forain Nations threaten us hard It is in every bodies mouth and I doubt 't is too true Ambassadors are coming to offer us CHARLES STUART upon Terms if we will not then they will bring him in by Force if this be so Lord have mercy upon us here are thousands in England would rather the Turke should come in then