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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
B12204	An ansvvere to a letter of a Iesuited gentleman, by his cosin, Maister A.C. Concerning the appeale; state, Iesuits	Copley, Anthony, 1567-1607?; Champney, Anthony, 1569?-1643?, attributed name.	1601 (1601)	STC 5735; ESTC S108680	66,056	126

no leauings but losse Especially a crowne so sweet and so hard to winne as Englands is it likelie the Spaniard would not esteeme it worth the holding or leaue such a realme as this to it selfe contenting him onelie to haue it to friend when he may enioy it subiect Belieue me cosin they are no such Aesops coxcombs as finding so rich a iewell as England to leaue it as a thing of nought they hauing vsde the Indies long and being better iewellers then so nor are they so tēperate a people neither yet is Spaine so much the Paradice of the world it being for the most part a verie barren and desert soyle that they should hold England so little worth as not worth the holding If Englands amitie heretofore with Spaine haue not deserued a worthier opinion at her hands then so at least her late enmitie hath during which what boote we haue made of it both by land and by sea all the world knowes what it of vs it may put it in her eye Besides the deere proffer the Spaniard made for England as England as well as for reuenge in 88. with the losse both of their honours and liues and the infinite charges of their Armado shewes plainelie at what price they were willing to haue purchaste it at a lesse then which it is not likelie that they would euer haue left it Tush tush it is verie well knowne that the Spaniard so esteemes of England that not being able to make it Spanish hee could be content that euen Spaine were English for some yea sundrie honours which it hath and Spaine wants At least their wise and valorous king the Emperour Charles so esteemed of England that in his precepts to his sonne the last Phillip on his death-bed hee stucke not to make this one and that the greatest earthlie one vnto him in these words And sonne in briefe Paz con Yngalatierra y guerra con todo el mondo as much to say as Sonne be at peace with England and warre with all the world How base were it then in vs to disesteeme our nation so as to wish it vnder another which so highlie so noble an Emperour commended and which the Iesuits themselues finde to flow with milke and honie vnto them euen vnder persecution There is no question but greatlie may religion sway a Prince but yet not so as to leaue a Crowne We reade of manie that haue transgrest yea left all religion for a Crowne but of verie few that euer left a Crowne for religion Yea most Princes hold it a point of religion neuer to leaue a Crowne till a Crowne leaue them See then I pray how sillie an Oratour father Cowbucke is in this his gentle perswasion of the Spaniard and how vngentle a minde he beares to his countrie being indeed no gentleman and lastlie somewhat to excuse the man how well it steeds him to seeme the religious in this Paradox for his credits sake though thereby hee discredit his religion in but seeming so Neither for your credit-sake cosin will I anie further perswade you herein least in so seeming to vnder-value your iudgement in a cleare case I should seeme not onlie the discurteous vnto you but also vnciuill For what generous nature in the world would endure his countrie to be conquered by straungers or what sot imagine in a conquerour a voluntarie abandon of a Crowne seeing that in such a case aboue all other worldly cases whatsoeuer Non minor est virtus quàm quaerere parta tenere Passing politickelie notwithstanding deales the king of Spaine seeing his right to this realme and his successes of warre for the same haue hitherto bin no better to entertaine religious men in the pursuite thereof for that it is much what a religious person once turnd politicke may perswade with the vulgar making pure religion and deuotion his colours then which no Oratorie can so enueigle affections not onely to couet but also to vndertake matter euen against nature And on the other side too cheape were England wonne to Spaine with so piping neither need the king of Spaine greatlie repine at the few Caricks and townes wee haue taken and spoiled of his neither yet at his Catholicke charges in maintaining two Englishe Seminaries at this day to our Church in his countrie if he can carue himselfe so easie and so ample amends Which as touching the Seminaries quatinùs vnder Iesuits discipline and also his foresaid Armado of 88. if his charitie be so great toward vs or rather not his ambition for before the miscarriage of that Armado on our cost those Seminaries were not erected in Spaine but since are there not I pray other kingdomes aswell as England vpon which he may likewise practise such his Armadoes first and then after also erect them the like Seminaries namelie with Iesuit-superiours ouer them which if the one were without the other or that the Seminaries had beene erected before the Armado were no such suspitious dealing but truely very faire and friendly play like to the last French kings in that of Rhemes but as thus England may well say Timeo Danaos dona ferentes and the rather for that father Cowbucke hath of late gotten diuers of the youths hands of those Seminaries to the Ladie Infantaes title as wee heare which alasse poore man wil neuer earne him the price of a Cardinals hat much lesse the honor to weare it But as I say if the king of Spaines zeale be such as needs he will be doing why there is Denmarke and Scotland two ample kingdomes both hereticall why hath he no Iesuits there or why sends he no Armadoes thether Oh belike he sees that they haue kings to defend them and England but a Queene but a woman whom happily being such he would haue the world thinke he came a wooing vnto that yeere which truelie besides the manner being so martiall was also vnlawfull in the maine seeing it is not allowable for any Catholike much lesse the Catholicke king the king of Catholickes to marrie two sisters though the one were Catholicke without dispensation much lesse perforce Or if hee will say that not those kingdomes but England hath wronged him what is that I pray for English-men to betray therefore their countrie vnto him or why should not wee the rather for that reason suspect his pretence of religion in his comming Shall the sonne because the father hath done his neighbour wrong ioyne with that neighbour to cut his fathers throat God defend or were it religion or moralitie in that neighbour to make such vse of the sonne truelie no. And yet such is Spaines dealing with our countrie and vs at this day and so good Casuists are Iesuits Graunt wee as the Iesuits suggest that our countrie hath and doth maintaine Spaines rebels against her sackt her townes inuaded her tresures both by sea and land yet were it so and that it became subiects to define their Soueraignes affaires of state all that an English-Catholicke

all at one time Nay more to note the will of God in this behalfe he also tooke away the issue he had as I haue crediblie heard by our Queene as it were to shew that hee would not haue England anie way Spanish though England it selfe neuer so faine would Great and ample dowre he likewise laid vnto Englands crowne by the match and yet it was not Gods will that all that should winne England Spanish How much more may we then hope in God neuer to see it such by being laid to Spaine especiallie so baselie and abiectlie as these hot-spurre Fathers would haue it seeing that Spaine laid to it in so wooing wise could not make it Spanish Moreouer what reason were it that Spaine should be so great aboue all her neighbours as by the possessing of England nay what preiudice were it not to all christendome considering the proude and tyrannous humour of that nation Say that we for our parts should haue Catholicke religion by the meanes with it peace and trafficke with all christendome and all christendome the same with vs and perhaps all christian Princes peace with one another too which by our practises say the Iesuits hath bin and daylie is infringed Graunt we all this doth it therefore follow that Spaine is sure to haue euer a good king ouer her to administer such her greatnesse in good manner yea is Spaine euer sure of a Catholicke king vnder whom to continue Catholicke it self and all her estates vnder her In the fiue twentieth yeere of the raigne of our Soueraigne Lord and King Henrie the eight Catholicke religion was as vnlikely to haue bin supprest in England as it is at this day in Spaine vnder Philip the third and yet we see how soone after it followed and what it is now come to The like may chaunce to Spaine vnder a king according and by the same reason why may not wee also hope for Catholicke religion yet once againe here in England as they not expect the Protestant it being no more impossible nay more probable for a Protestant-Prince to returne Catholicke seeing that magna est veritas praualet then for a Catholicke one to turne Protestant it being too true that ruimus in vetitum semper cupimusque negata But say that Spaine should be so fortunate in her Soueraignes as to haue them euer Catholicke whereby Catholicke religion still to flourish in their dominions yet neither doth that take away all other mischiefes which may follow of their greatnes as breach with their neighbour-Princes and so warres abroad and be but for imployment of such spirits as happilie would else through peace be tumultuous at home consequently oppression of their subiects for the maintaining of those warres especiallie their subiects lying so farre off as England gouerned by their deputies together with a thousand such like mischiefes which are incident to great Monarches as from their greatnes and hauing more then they can well weld though nere so Catholicke and good otherwise And if it be so as the Iesuits calumniate that England alone troubles all the world how much more trow yee would all the world be troubled were Spaine and England one vnder a quarrellous Prince or rather how would not England then haue her part of troubles with all the world which now is quiet Great are the hazards that are from greatest Monarches both to the Church and the ciuill state of the world for that their taking to be bad as most men are naturallie so inclinde especiallie when aboue controule carries all in like manner with them making their greatnesse the counterpoise or ouer-biasse to goodnesse as wee read in the Greeke Emperours whose aptnesse to heresie wrought continuall schismes in the church till in the end God gaue that Empire with her Emperour ouer for the same to the Turke as aforesaid So likewise afore them the Romaine Emperours who being manie bad to one good what disorder wrought not their example and authoritie throughout all their Empire for which it pleased God at last to dissolue it and conuert it into manie kingdomes and Prouinces as now we see it whereby though one state or kingdome should miscarie vnder an vnhappie Prince yet the rest may tarrie good and prosperous If then such hath bin the prouidence of God to depose the Romaine Empire from her greatnes for her sinnes as from her greatnes and hath disposd it into distinct states and Prouinces as in reformation why then doe the Iesuits so labour to erect a Spanish Empire against such the prouidence of God for the euils hee saw in the Romaine or rather why not let England continue English and worke it selfe Catholicke againe if it please God in English manner Are they so much of God almighties counsaile as to know whether is more to his honour the proceeding practise of the Seminaries as hitherto for the good of his church and our countrie or the Spanish sword Or rather what christian spirit is not able to distinguish whether of the two is more perfect and how little behoofefull nay how vnlawfull is the drumme and ensigne where the word is likelie to speed as here amongst vs it daylie makes faire shew to doe Briefe a Heathen man could see it to be better and say thereupon Cedant arma togae concedant laurea linguae Which such their Spanish raigne if it should once come to passe in our countrie as I beseech God I may neuer see it either with or against our wils how hard yea impossible a matter it were to euict that nation out againe Sicilie Naples Lumbardie and the greater part of the Low-countries doth at this day teach vs by their lamentable extreame bondage not that Spaines valour maintaines such her dominion ouer them but her Indies Most of all absurd therefore it is to thinke it likelie that which Father Cowbucke by his papers agents so labours to perswade viz. that of their owne good nature they wil selfelie auoide the realme after hauing once establisht the Catholicke religion in it which saith hee is all that the Catholicke king desires Oh vnsauorie assertion arguing rather that simplicitie which ought to be in a religious person then the subtilty that is in him As though if a reconciled foe be neuer to be throughlie affied a present enimie for pretended wrongs and who daylie seekes and assayes to be reuenged may hauing once the law in his own hand be so farre forth trusted as with a kingdome seeing that for it what faith what iustice euer tooke place in this world Or as though the pretence to continue our said holie religion amongst vs may not as stronglie perswade him were religion his meere motiue to settle in this land as to come to inuest the same Oh cosin shew yee me where euer religion and armes marcht so together shew ye me where euer ye read of a Prince that vanquishing a countrie by the sword euer left it but so which properly is