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A91309 Truth triumphing over falshood, antiquity over novelty. Or, The first part of a just and seasonable vindication of the undoubted ecclesiasticall iurisdiction, right, legislative, coercive power of Christian emperors, kings, magistrates, parliaments, in all matters of religion, church-government, discipline, ceremonies, manners: summoning of, presiding, moderating in councells, synods; and ratifying their canons, determinations, decrees: as likewise of lay-mens right both to sit and vote in councells; ... In refutation of Mr. Iohn Goodwins Innocencies Triumph: my deare brother Burtons Vindication of churches, commonly called Independent: and of all anti-monarchicall, anti-Parliamentall, anti-synodicall, and anarchicall paradoxes of papists, prelates, Anabaptists, Arminians, Socinians, Brownists, or Independents: whose old and new objections to the contrary, are here fully answered. / By William Prynne, of Lincolnes Inne, Esquire. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. 1645 (1645) Wing P4115; Thomason E259_1; ESTC R212479 202,789 171

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Churches in the Bible yet none of them nor my dear Brother have hitherto been able to shew it though they have oft-times promised it Therefore we presume there is no such Shew us but some cleare Texts to manifest it and we will believe you without more dispute till then though you were Angels from Heaven we dare not credit you without a word to build on 3ly Because some Independents themselves one Anonymous who hath published a malicious Answer to me full of virulency against Presbytery the Scots positively deny any such universall platforme concurring fully with me in opinion Fourthly Because the Churches of God ever since the Apostles dayes have in severall Nations Republikes States and Conditions had different formes of Government Discipline Ceremonies administrations in some particulars as the Independent Congregations of Brownists Anabaptists Familists c. differ in sundry things of moment among themselves and yet have ever beene reputed true Churches of Christ The Churches of England Scotland France Geneva Germany Aethiopia Russia Greece Bohemia and the Netherlands vary one from another in their Government Discipline Rites Ceremonies in some points of Doctrine and are not Independent yet none of our Brethren I suppose will be so uncharitable as to deem them all Antichristian opposers of the Kingdome and Government of Christ and no true Churches as they must of necessity be if Church-government be a part of the Gospel one uniform unalterable Government universally prescribed to them all Fiftly Because the Gospel never intended to subvert diminish crosse or destroy the lawfull civill politicall Governments Lawes Customes of Kingdomes Nations Republikes which are Gods own Ordinance as well as Churchgovernment since one Ordinance of God doth not crosse or thwart another Now the lawfull Governments Customes Manners of most Nations Kingdoms Republiks being various different one from another the Gospel to be equally preached to them all some Church-government erected among them all and the condition of the Church whiles militant in this world being as full of changes as the Moone sometimes tossed with the boysterous waves almost drowned in the flouds of affliction Sometimes totally ecelipsed and driven into the wildernesse in one place yet slourishing or lesse troubled in another Othertimes in a prosperous peaceable condition Sometimes under Pagan or impious Princes and Magistrates other whiles under more or lesse pious Christian Kings and Governours sometimes in a more pure light some otherwhiles in a more corrupt ignorant condition Sometimes over-growne with haeresies schismes Innovations other-times holding forth the truth more clearly and purging out of all errors sometimes requiring a more sharpe and rigorous Discipline other-times a more milde and gentle Yea some Nations being more barbarous fierce obstinat vitious proner to some kinde of vices sins corruptions then others and so needing a Discipline Government somewhat discrepant from those who are more civell and ingenious Some using one gesture of prayer adoration administring the Sacrament some another as some bowing others kneeling others prostration some knocking of the breasts some bare-headed others covered some vayled others unvayled some sitting at the Lords Supper in one manner others in another Some kneeling others standing some using dipping others sprinkling others washing in baptisme some one kinde of tongue tone tune gesture in singing Preaching Praying others another which is all I meant in my first and second Queries by the manners and customes of the people which my deare Brother mis-interprets as meant of their superstitious and corrupt customes not their civill which I onely intended Some one forme of Temples Churches Tables Pulpits Chalices Vestments others another and all Nations not having the selfe-same opinion judgement of the lawfulnes or conveniency of one sort of Church-government as of another I conceive there was a kinde of necessity under the Gospel of leaving divets things in Church-government and Discipline more indeffinite and arbittary then under the Leviticall Law given onely to the Iewish Nation and that not for perperuity but till the Gospel came which see them free from that yoake of bondage and left them and all other beleevers at greater liberty than before This I conceive to be the true reason why there is no such precise universall set forme of Church-government and Discipline punctually prese●bed without the least variation to all Nations Churches in the New Testament as you say was to the Israelites in the old 6ly The Government and Discipline of the Churches of Christ hath bin alwayes more or lesse variable in every age and never continued uniforme constant unalterable in any age as the fundamentall Doctrines of the Church have done We are able to produce Professors of the Doctrines maintained in the Protestant Churches in all ages the Doctrine of the Gospel being universally the same and unalterable But no creature is able to demonstrate a succession of any one kind of Church-government discipline in all ages or Churches be it Presbyteriall Episcopall or mixt of both much lesse any series of Independent Churches Therefore certainly there is no such universall divine set forme of Church-government and Discipline essentiall to the being of a true Church prescribed in the Scriptures as some have fancied for then it would have had a being in some part or other of the world in all ages as well as the Doctrine of the Gospel and the Sacraments 7ly All Independents reach that there is no set forme of publick Prayer Liturgy preaching administring the sacrament in every particular nor yet of the matter or fashion of Churches Tables Chancels Vestments Gestures of Worship prescribed to all Churches Nations in all ages without variation yea they reject all set formes of publike Prayers administration of the Sacraments and Liturgies in Churches as Antichristian unlawfull or unexpedient at the least though they can hardly prove them such If then there be no set forme of publique Prayers Liturgy Preaching administring the Sacraments c. prescribed to all Churches in al ages without any variation and every Minister be 〈◊〉 at large to use his owne Method and manner of Praying Preaching administring the Sacraments Chatechising as Independents affirme provided it be generally consonant to the word Let them render me a solid reason if they can why there should be only one universall unalterable divineforme of Church-Government and Discipline precisely imposed on all Churches Nations ages alike without the least variation else they must of necessity grant as great a liberty and indefinitenes in the one as other and that there may be as many different formes of Church-Government and Discipline as of preaching praying Singing of Psalmes administring the Sacraments c. provided they be all decent agreeable to the generall rules of Scripture though not particularly prescribed therin 8ly All grant there is no immutable universall set forme of Civill Government prescribed to all Nations Republickes Cities Families Christian or Ethenicall 〈◊〉 they have a
of Canterbury in their and every of their distinct Courts and in the order and manner of their and every of their proceedings and by all other persons within this Realme as far as lawfully being members of the Church it may concerne them And further to conferre debate treat consider consult and agree of and upon such other points matters causes and things as we from time to time shall deliver or cause to be delivered unto the sayd Lord Archbishop of Canterbury President of the sayd Convocation in writing under Our Signe Manuell or privie Signet to be debated concluded consulted and concluded upon the sayd Statute or any other Statute Act of Parliament Proclamation Provision or restraint heretofore had made provided or set forth or any other cause matter or thing whatsoever to the contrary notwithstanding And we do also by these Presents give and grant unto the sayd Lord Archbishop of Canterbury President of the sayd Convocation and to the rest of the Bishops of the said Province of Canterbury and to all Deanes of Cathedrall Churches Archdeacons Chapter and Colledges and the whole Clergy of every severall Diocesse within the said Province full free and lawfull liberty licence power and authority That they the sayd Lord Archbishop of Canterbury President of the sayd Convocation and the rest of the sayd Bishops and other the Clergie of the same Province or the greater number of them whereof the sayd President of the sayd Convocation to be one all and every the sayd Canons Orders Ordinances Constitutions matters Causes and things so by them from time to time conferred treated debated considered concluded and agreed upon shall and may set down in writing in such forme as heretofore hath been accustomed and the same so set down in writing to exhibite and deliver or cause to be exhibited and delivered unto Us to the end that we upon mature consideration by us to be taken thereupon may allow approve confirme and ratifie or otherwise disallow annihilate and make voyd such and so many of the sayd Canons Orders Ordinances Constitutions matters causes and things so to be by force of these Presents considered consulted and agreed upon as wee shall thinke fit requisite and convenient Provided alwayes that the sayd Canons Orders Ordinances Constitutions matters and things or any of them so to be considered consulted or agreed upon as aforesaid be not contrary or repugnant to the Liturgy established or the Rubrick in it or the nine and thirty Articles or the Doctrine Orders and Ceremonies of the Church of England already established Provided also and our expresse will and commandement is That the sayd Canons Orders Ordinances Constitutions matters and things or any of them so to be by force of these presents considered consulted or agreed upon shall not be of any force effect or validity in the Law but only such and so many of them and after such time as we by our Letters Patents under our great Seale of England shall allow approve and confirme the same any thing before in these presents contained to the contrary thereof in any wise notwithstanding c. In witnesse whereof We have caused these our Letters to be made Patents Witnesse Our selfe at Westminster the twelfth day of May in the sixteenth yeare of our Reigne Per Regem Ipsum Willys To which I shall adde the Kings further Warrant for making a particular Canon and Oath in the late Convocation Charles R. MOst reverend Father in God right trusty and right entirely beloved Councellour Right reverend Fathers in God right trust and well-beloved and trusty and well-beloved We great you well Whereas We out of our meere grace and favour and for the good and peace of the Church have granted to you our Arch-Bishop of Canterbury free leave and licence under our great Seale of England bearing date the twelfth of this instant May to propose treat and conclude upon all such necessary Articles and Canons which you shall finde fit to be ordered for the peace and government of this Church Provided that you shall thereby have no power to meddle with nor alter any thing ratified and confirmed by Act of Parliament And whereas we have further in that Licence which we have granted unto you reserved power to our selfe to command you to propose treat and determine of any such thing or things as we shall recommend unto you under our Signe Manuall or Signet These are therefore to will and require you to propose treat and conclude upon such a Canon as may secure us and all our loving subjects against all growth and encrease of Popery in this our Kingdom as also of any hereticall or schismaticall opinions to the prejudice of the doctrine or discipline of this Church of England established by Law And that in this case you agree upon some Oath to be taken by your selves and all the Clergie respectively and by all which shall hereafter take upon them holy Orders that they shall adhere constantly to the doctrine and discipline here established and never give way for so much as can any way concerne them to any innovation or alteration thereof And when you have made this Canon and inserted this Oath we require you to present it to us that we may advise upon it and if upon mature consultation we approve it we shall confirme it and then give you power under our great Seale both to take the said Oath your selves and to administer it to all such as the Canon appoints Given under our Signet at our Court at White-hall the seventeenth day of May in the sixteenth yeere of our Reigne To the most Reverend Father in God our right trusty and right entirely beloved Councellour the Lord Arch-bishop of Canterbury Primate and Metropolitane of all England To the right Reverend Fathers in God our right trusty and well-beloved the Lords Bishops and to our trusty and well-beloved the rest of the Clergie now assembled in Convocation 3 ly by the Kings letters Patents for Confirmation of those Canons after they were made presented to be confirmed by him In the first canon whereof they thus truly resolve That a supream Power is given to this most excellent Order of Kings by God himself in the Scriptures which is That Kings should rule and command in their severall dominions all persons of what rank or estate soever whether Ecclesiasticall or Civill and that they should restrain and punish with the temporall sword all stubborn and wicked doers The care of Gods Church is so committed to Kings in the Scripture that they are commended when the Church keeps the right way and taxed when it runs amisse and therefore her government belongs in chief unto Kings For otherwise one man would be commended for anothers care and taxed but for anothers negligence which is not Gods way The power to call and dissolve Councels both nationall and provincial is the true right of all Christian Kings within their own Realms or Territories
TRVTH TRIVMPHING OVER FALSHOOD ANTIQVITY Over NOVELTY OR The First Part of A just and seasonable Vindication of the undoubted Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction Right Legislative Coercive Power of Christian Emperors Kings Magistrates Parliaments in all matters of Religion Church-Government Discipline Ceremonies Manners Summoning of Presiding Moderating in Councells Synods and ratifying their Canons Determinations Decrees As likewise of Lay-mens right both to sit and vote in Councells here proved to be anciently and in truth none other but Parliaments especially in England both by Scripture Texts Presidents of all sorts and the constant uninterrupted Practices Examples of the most eminent Emperors Princes Councells Parliaments Churches and Christian States especially of our owne in all ages since their embracing the Gospell In Refutation of M r. Iohn Goodwins Innocencies Triumph My deare brother Burtons Vindication of Churches commonly called Independent And of all Anti-Monarchicall Anti-Parliamentall Anti-Synodicall and Anarchicall Paradoxes of Papists Prelates Anabaptists Arminians Socinians Brownists or Independents Whose old and new Objections to the contrary are here fully answered By William Prynne of Lincolnes Inne Esquire Jer. 6. 16. Thus saith the Lord Stand yee in the wayes and see and aske for the OLD PATHES where is the GOOD WAY and walk therein and yee shall find rest for your soules But they said Wee will not walke therein Luk. 5. 39. No man also having drunk OLD WINE straightway desireth NEW for he saith THE OLD IS BETTER Tertul. de Praescrip adver Haeres Ex ipso ordine manifestatur id esse Dominicum Verum quod sit priùs traditum id autem Extraneum Falsum quod sit posterius immissum Decem. 3. 1644. It is Ordered by the Committee of the House of Commons concerning Printing that this Book entituled Truth Triumphing over Falshood Antiquity over Novelty be printed by Mich. Sparke Senior John White London Printed by John Dawson and are to be sold by Michael Sparke Senior 1645. TO THE HIGH COVRT OF PARLIAMENT Right Honourable HAving had the Honour through Gods assistance to be a meane though cordiall Instrument of Vindicating The Soveraigne Power of Parliaments and Kingdomes in all Civill or Military affaires which concerne the State in Foure severall Volumes against all Opposites whatsoeever which they have for the most part satisfied or put to silence I expected a Quietus est from all other Controversies concerning the Iurisdiction of Parliaments especially in Ecclesiasticall matters which most imagined had been put to eternall silence when our Lordly Prelates lost their Votes and Session in Parliament by a publike Law But alas I know not by what evill Genius and Pythagorean Metempsychosis the Anti-Parliamentary Soules formerly dwelling in our defunct Prelates earthly Tabernacles are transmigrated into and revived in a New-Generation of men started up of late among us commonly known by the Name of INDEPENDENTS who though for the most part really cordiall in their Affections Actions to the Parliament and Church of England for which and for their piety they are to bee highly honoured yet some of them are of late become extremely derogatory and destructive unto both in their Anarchicall and Anti-Parliamentary Positions For which and for their late gathering of Independent Churches contrary to Your Parliamentary Injunctions they are to be justly blamed as great disturbers of our publike Peace and Vnity It is the observation of learned Voetius and Vedelius That the Arminians in the Netherlands for the advancing of their owne Faction and more facill accomplishment of their private ill Designes did before the Synod of Dort and in the beginning thereof exceedingly cry up the Power of the Civill Magistrate and States of Holland in Ecclesiasticall matters both by Writing and Preaching ascribing to them the highest Jurisdiction and Power of giving ultimate Judgement in all Controversies of Faith and Ecclesiasticall matters arising in the Church as a Prerogative belonging immediately under Christ to them alone And thereupon they appealed to the States from the Ecclesiasticall Classes as the proper Iudges of the Controversies they had raised in the Belgick Churches But at last after the Synod of Dort had determined against their Arminian Errors and the States established their Determinations prohibiting the Preaching or Printing of any Arminian Tenets with the private Independent Congregations and Conventicles of the Arminian Party they presently altered both their opinions and practice crying downe the Authority of the States and Civill Magistrate as fast as they had cryed it up both in their Apologies and Sermons contracting yea denying them that very power which before they had so liberally measured ●ut unto them affirming that the States had no power at all over their private Congregations that it was not any right or part of their Office to obliege men by their authorities to the Decrees of Synods however agreeable to the word of God and that they ought not to use any coactive Power or Authority in such cases to obliege them to conformity This Practice of the Arminians was by M r Thomas Edwards by way of prediction applied to the Independents in these very tearmes And it may be feared however these Apologists NOW to ingratiate themselves and being let alone in their Church-way say they give more to the Magistrates than the Presbyteriall and that they professe to submit and to be most willing to have recourse to the Magistrates Iudgement and Cognizance and Examination of Ecclesiasticall Causes yet when they shall come once to be crossed and the Parliament by the advice of the Assembly to settle the Government of the Church and by their Authority to bind them to things agreeable to the word wee shall see then what they will say of the Magistrates Power There are too many speeches already since the Assembly out of their feare how they may goe which have fallen from many Independents THAT PROGNOSTICATE THEY WILL DOE BY THE PARLIAMENT AS THE REMONSTRANTS DID AFTER THE SYNOD OF DORT BY THE STATES Which Prognostication hath fallen out accordingly For since that time our Independents having felt the Pulses of the Assembly and Parliament bearing but very gently by way of debate against their Anarchicall and Anomolous New-Way derived from their good friends the German Anabaptists and Separatists and supported only with their Arguments as I am fully able to demonstrate they have not only in Presse and Pulpit cryed up their Way as the Onely Way Kingdome and Scepter of Christ and denyed all opposition in word deed or thought against it as a direct FIGHTING AGAINST GOD and promoted it publikely and privately with all their Industry Policy Power setting up New Independent Congregations in every corner but even with open mouth pen hand contrary to their former Solemne Vowes Covenants Protestations which I feare they have over-much forgotten cryed downe and fought against the very Ecclesiasticall Power and Legislative Authority of the High Court of Parliament it self and Supreme Temporall Magistrates proclaiming
And when in the first times of Christs Church Prelates used this power 't was therefore onely because in those dayes they had no Christian Kings And it was then so onely used as in times of persecution that is with supposition is case it were required of submitting their very lives unto the very laws and commands even of those pagan Princes that they might not so muchas seem to disturb their civil Government which Christ came to confirm but by no meanes to undermine CHARLES by the Grace of GOD c. Now for asmuch as the said Lord Arch-bishop of Canterbury President of the said Convocation for the province of Canterbury and the said Arch-bishop of Yorke President of the said Convocation for the Province of Yorke and others the said Bishops Deans Arch-deacons Chapters and Colleges with the rest of the Clergie having met together respectively at the time and places before mentioned respectively and then and there by vertue of Our said authority granted unto them treated of concluded and agreed upon certaine Canons Orders Ordinances and Constitutions to the end and purpose by Vs limited and prescribed unto them have thereupon offered and presented the same unto Vs most humbly desiring Vs to give our Royall assent unto the same according to form of a certain Statute or Act of Parliament made in that behalfe in the 25th yeer of the Reign of King Henry the eighth and by Our said Prerogative Royall and Supream authority in Causes Ecclesiasticall to ratifie by Our Letters Patents under Our great Seal of England and to confirm the same The Title and Tenour of them being word for word as ensueth Wee of Our Princely inclination and Royall care for the maintenance of the present Estate and government of the Church of England by the Lawes of this Our Realme now setled and established having diligently with great contentment and comfort read and considered of all these their said Canons Orders Ordinances and Constitutions agreed upon as is before expressed And finding the same such as Wee are perswaded will be very profitable not only to Our Clergy but to the whole Church of this Our Kingdome and to all the true Members of it if they be well observed Have therefore for Vs. Our Heires and lawfull Successours of Our especiall grace certaine knowledge and meere motion given and by th●se presents doe give Our Royall Assent according to the forme of the said Statute or Act of Parliament aforesaid to all and every of the said Canons Orders Ordinances and constitutions and to all and every thing in them contained as they are before written And furthermore We do not onely by our said Prerogative Royall and supreme Authority in Causes Ecclesiasticall ratifie confirme and establish by these Our Letters Patents the said Canons Ordinances and Constitutions and all and every thing in them contained as is aforesaid but do likewise propound publish and straightly injoyne and command by Our said Authority and by these Our Letters Patents the same to be diligently observed executed and equally kept by all Our loving Subjects of this Our Kingdome both within the Provinces of Canterbury and Yorke in all points wherein they do or may concerne every or any of them according to this Our will and pleasure hereby signified and expressed And that likewise for the better observation of them every Minister by what name or title soever he be called shall in the Parish Church or Chappell where he hath charge read all the said Canons Orders Ordinances and Constitutions at all such times and in such manner as is prescribed in the said Canons or any of them The Booke of the said Canons to be provided at the charge of the Parish betwixt this and the Feast of S. Michael the Arch-angell next ensuing straightly charging and commanding all Archbishops Bishops and all other that exercise any Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction within this Realme every man in his place to see and procure so much as in them lyeth all and every of the same Canons Orders Ordinances and Constitutions to be in all points duly observed not sparing to execute the penalties in them severally mentioned upon any that shall wittingly or wilfully break or neglect to observe the same as they tender the honour of God the peace of the Church the tranquillity of the Kingdome and their duties and service to Vs their King and Soveraigne In witnesse whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patents Witnesse Our Selfe at Westminster the thirtieth day of Iune in the sixteenth yeare of Our Reigne By all these Patents with others of like nature directed to all our Convocations by our Kings in former and latter times by Our present Parliaments manner of calling limiting directing our present Assembly of Divines in all particulars of their proceedings and debates appointing some eminent Members of both Houses to sit and consult together with them and to certifie all their results and determinations to them to be considered rectified rejected or approved by both Houses as they in their wisdomes shall see cause and by the fore-cited premises it is most apparent that the Arch-bishops Bishops Clergy and Convocation of England assembled Synodically together much lesse then any particular Independent Minister or Congregation notwithstanding all their late printed vaunts of their Ecclesiasticall soveraigne Iurisdiction by divine right and power to prescribe and enjoyne Visitation-Oaths Articles new Rites and Ceremonies of their owne Inventions both unto Ministers and people which they seconded with their practice to the insufferable grievance and oppression of the people are so farre from having any lawfull right power and authority to make prescribe any Ecclesiasticall Injunctions Canons Lawes Rites Ceremonies or forme of Government to any of his Majesties Subjects that though they be lawfully assembled together in a Provinciall or Nationall Synod by the Kings owne Writ or Parliaments command yet they cannot legally or of right so much as treat debate consult of any Ecclesiasticall affaires without a speciall licence first obtained from the King or Parliament and then only of such generals or particulars as they shall prescribe them much lesse compile enact promulge impose or execute any Ecclesiasticall Canons Lawes Injunctions Ordinances Oaths without their speciall approbation and ratification of them by their speciall Letters Patents under the great Seale and by Act of Parliament too as hath been lately resolved by unanimous consent of both Houses in the case of the condemned new booke of Canons The like I have proved of the Bishops Clergie Councels in other Christian Empires and Kingdomes Where then is that immense Episcopall jurisdiction authority preheminence superiority power in point of dominion over and beyond that of ordinary Ministers which our Lordly Prelats lately so much boasted of and pleaded for as due unto them by no lesse then divine institution if we may beleeve them not by the Grace Patents Grants or connivence of Christian Princes Let these swelling ambitious Grandees