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A26959 More proofs of infants church-membership and consequently their right to baptism, or, A second defence of our infant rights and mercies in three parts ... / by Richard Baxter. Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1675 (1675) Wing B1312; ESTC R17239 210,005 430

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received the Scriptures the Christian Faith Doctrine and Discipline from the Apostles and Asiatick Churches who had no such thing as the Baptizing of Infants among them Answ No such thing in the Asiaticks Churches He might as well say There is now no such thing in England But perhaps hee 'l say that he meaneth in the Apostles time or soon after Of which you have tryed part of his strength But when he hath studied well Bishop Vshers Primordia who saith all that is to be said for our Antiquity he will find no proof that we had our Religion from the Apostles or any in their time § 36. But ask the man whether Asia it self long before the dayes of Gregory had not Infant-Baptism And whether they received not the Scriptures and Religion as certainly from the Asiatick Churches and so from the Apostles as the Britains did And whether this will prove that at that time they were against Infant-Baptism If not why will it prove the same of the Britains § 37. His second Argument is Because they so fully prized and faithfully adhered to the Scripture c. Answ What will not partiality say 1. You must believe him that Scripture is against Infant-Baptism And then the controversie is at an end 2. You must believe him how closely they adhered to Scripture if you can when you have read Gildas who is translated into English their neighbour one of them the only certain historian that knew them who describeth them as I have said as most flagitious heinous wicked men Though I hope they amended after Gildas dayes yet that shewed you how they held to Apostolick discipline or Scripture The book is so very small it is but equal to intreat him to read it before he use this argument again 3. You must believe him that all that prize and adhere to Scripture are against Infant-Baptism Read and try whether there be not greater evidence that Cyprian Athanasius Nazianzene Chrysostome Augustine the Aegyptian Monks and other such strict persons in those ages at least the Novatians and Donatists in his own judgement prized the Scripture than the Britains And doth it follow in despite of their own professions and practises that all these and the rest such were against Infant-Baptism § 38. Were not this as good an argument Luther Calvin Zuinglius Bradford Hooper all the Martyrs in Queen Maries dayes c. prized the Scriptures Ergo they were all against Infant-Baptism Yea even Independents and Presbyterians and all that prize and cleave to them now in England § 39. 3. He addeth Because they did so vehemently reject humane Traditions in the worship of God especially all Romish Rites and Ceremonies this as before undeniably appearing to come from Romes ordination and Imposition Answ 1. Vndeniably is a word that shameth you to every intelligent Reader that understandeth Church history Will you not confess your self that Cyprian and that Carthage Council Nazianzene Basil Augustine c. were for Infant-Baptism were all these Papists or Romans Can you prove any Roman Ordination of it before all these 2. How know you that they so vehemently rejected humane Traditions in the worship of God Did they not use the Asiatick Ceremonies Did they not precisely observe Easter and place Religion in keeping it on their own dayes Had they not Bishops and were they not Monks And do you gather by Gildas that they were such as you dream And did they not Plead Tradition for their difference from Rome 3. And were not the Scots then of their mind and as much against Traditions as they and more against vice and formality in and after Colmans and Columbanus dayes And are not the Independents more against Traditions now than the Britains were And are they therefore Anabaptists § 40. He addeth 4. Because Constantine the Great the son of Constance and the famous Helena both eminent Christians in the ye●r 305. was not Baptized till he was aged as before A clear proof that the Christians in Britain in those dayes did not Baptize their children Answ Some will laugh at these things but I had rather mourn for the poor peoples snares 1. It 's false that Constance was a Christian at least when Constantine was young No regardable history maketh him any better than a moderate favourer of the Christians 2. It is not proveable that Helena was one in Constantines Infancy 3. There is no probability that he was born in England as many Learned men have proved 4. It is certain he was educated and lived in other Lands 5. He was no Christian in his youth himself nor professed it till after he was Emperor The sign of a Cross appearing in the skies and his victory thereupon is said to be the means 6. He lived long at Rome and Constantinople and elsewhere before he was Baptized And was that a certain proof that none of those Countreys were for Infant-Baptism no nor for Baptism at Conversion neither because Constantine was not Baptized 7. He kept in with the Philosophers having one at his Table familiar with him to hold all parties to him 8. And many in those times thought that all sin being pardoned at Baptism they must live much strictlier after they were Baptized and were in much more danger by their sin and therefore would not be Baptized till old as Constantine when he was like to die And now where is this mans clear proof that the Britains were Anabaptists § 41. 5. Saith he Because of the Correspondency and unity that were between the French Christians after called the Waldenses and them viz. Germanus and Lupus Answ What abundance of untruths will one mans head hold 1. He would make the ignorant believe that the French Churches that sent over Germanus and Lupus were such as after were called Waldenses When yet before he citeth Perin saying that the Waldenses were the off-spring of the Novatians banished from Rome Beda Hist Eccl. lib. 1. c. 17 18 19 20 21. tells us briefly that the Britains being infected with Pelagianism by Agricola the son of Severianus a Pelagian Bishop sent to France for help as being unable themselves to dispute the case The Bishops of France in a great Synod agreed to send Germanus Bishop of Altissiodore and Lupus Bishop of Trecasse brother to Vincentius Lerinensis Prosper in his Chronicle tells us that Germanus was sent by Pope Celestine by the instigation of Palladius a Deacon Vsher reciteth and rejecteth not Baronius his conciliation that it was done by the Pope and French Bishops Germanus and Lupus come over and work miracles by the way and here Germanus carried a box with him of the Reliques of all the Apostles and many Martyrs Beda c. 18. This he layeth to the eyes of a blind maid and cured her suddedly which confounded the Pelagians These Reliques he buryed in St. Albanes Sepulchre And instead of them took with him some of the dust where St. Albanes blood had been shed which remained red till then And after