Selected quad for the lemma: england_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
england_n	catholic_n	church_n	member_n	3,055	5	8.9004	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A33206	The Difference of the case, between the separation of Protestants from the Church of Rome, and the separation of Dissenters from the Church of England	Clagett, William, 1646-1688.; Williams, John, 1636?-1709.	1683 (1683)	Wing C4377; ESTC R12185	45,320	73

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