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A29530 An answer to a book, entituled, Reason and authority, or, The motives of a late Protestant's reconciliation to the Catholick Church together with a brief account of Augustine the monk, and conversion of the English : in a letter to a friend. Bainbrigg, Thomas, 1636-1703. 1687 (1687) Wing B473; ESTC R12971 67,547 99

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sunt_fw-la fidei_fw-la possunt_fw-la tamen_fw-la dici_fw-la canonici_fw-la ad_fw-la aedificationem_fw-la fidelium_fw-la ut_fw-la pote_fw-la in_o canone_o biblii_fw-la ad_fw-la hoc_fw-la recepti_fw-la &_o autorati_fw-la cum_fw-la hâc_fw-la distinctione_n discernere_fw-la poteris_fw-la scripta_fw-la augustini_fw-la &_o scripta_fw-la in_o provinciali_fw-la synodo_fw-la carthaginensi_fw-la now_o this_o agree_v well_o enough_o with_o the_o doctrine_n in_o the_o article_n and_o practice_n prescribe_v in_o the_o rubric_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o beside_o 85._o can._n apostol_n 85._o this_o distinction_n have_v its_o foundation_n in_o a_o very_a venerable_a authority_n for_o the_o apostolic_a canon_n make_v a_o great_a deal_n of_o difference_n and_o that_o upon_o the_o same_o ground_n between_o some_o and_o other_o book_n call_v some_o of_o these_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d venerable_a and_o holy_a but_o then_o of_o the_o book_n call_v the_o wisdom_n of_o solomon_n or_o 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pag._n 32._o he_o discourse_n after_o all_o this_o can_v we_o believe_v that_o the_o britain_n who_o earnest_o contradict_v augustine_n in_o these_o small_a matter_n and_o be_v so_o tenacious_a of_o their_o own_o custom_n will_v have_v silent_o receive_v so_o many_o and_o incomparable_o great_a point_n of_o faith_n have_v they_o in_o like_a manner_n disagree_v from_o he_o therein_o credat_fw-la judaeus_n apella_n here_o our_o author_n be_v much_o to_o be_v blame_v because_o he_o will_v not_o permit_v we_o to_o give_v he_o civil_a language_n he_o do_v not_o only_o betray_v his_o ignorance_n but_o what_o be_v much_o worse_o in_o this_o paragraph_n he_o challenge_v to_o have_v skill_n in_o bede_n and_o bede_n be_v the_o man_n that_o contradict_v he_o in_o every_o thing_n he_o say_v for_o bede_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o britain_n neither_o receive_v great_a point_n of_o faith_n nor_o lesser_a from_o augustine_n the_o monk_n nor_o his_o companion_n but_o for_o more_o than_o one_o hundred_o 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profecerit_fw-la adhuc_fw-la praesentia_fw-la tempora_fw-la declarant_fw-la that_o be_v that_o the_o present_a opposition_n which_o the_o britain_n make_v against_o the_o romanist_n in_o bede_n day_n sufficient_o show_v that_o laurentius_n his_o letter_n have_v no_o effect_n upon_o they_o and_o that_o be_v the_o same_o thing_n which_o we_o have_v before_o usque_fw-la hodie_fw-la that_o from_o augustine_n the_o monk_n down_o to_o bede_n day_n the_o britain_n have_v no_o regard_n for_o the_o roman_n teach_v of_o faith_n or_o religion_n so_o far_o as_o it_o differ_v from_o their_o own_o from_o these_o two_o passage_n henry_n of_o huntingdon_n make_v the_o remark_n which_o he_o have_v lib._n 3._o hist_o nec_fw-la britannos_fw-la 3._o henr._n huntingd_v hist_o lib._n 3._o nec_fw-la scotos_fw-gr velle_fw-la communicare_fw-la cum_fw-la anglis_fw-la &_o eorum_fw-la episcopo_fw-la sancto_fw-la augustino_n magis_fw-la quam_fw-la paganis_fw-la this_o be_v sufficient_a to_o show_v our_o author_n presumption_n in_o allege_v bede_n to_o patronize_v his_o vain_a opination_n concern_v the_o britain_n if_o we_o give_v credit_n to_o he_o the_o britain_n do_v not_o receive_v either_o so_o many_o or_o so_o great_a point_n of_o faith_n from_o augustine_n the_o monk_n for_o they_o receive_v none_o at_o all_o and_o therefore_o his_o consequence_n which_o he_o draw_v from_o thence_o be_v like_o his_o premise_n good_a for_o nought_o that_o be_v this_o that_o the_o doctrine_n these_o two_o point_n except_v their_o asiatic_a error_n and_o the_o difference_n about_o baptism_n which_o augustine_n teach_v the_o saxon_n have_v be_v deliver_v to_o the_o britain_n from_o the_o apostle_n for_o see_v we_o have_v a_o acknowledge_a difference_n in_o these_o two_o point_n in_o augustin_n day_n and_o other_o difference_n as_o i_o shall_v show_v break_v out_o afterward_o and_o we_o find_v no_o manner_n of_o agreement_n between_o augustine_n and_o the_o britain_n and_o no_o communication_n between_o his_o 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humility_n we_o endeavour_v to_o show_v they_o their_o error_n this_o be_v enough_o to_o the_o case_n of_o augustine_n and_o of_o bede_n relation_n of_o it_o and_o enough_o to_o the_o first_o part_n of_o this_o author_n july_n 26._o 1687._o sir_n i_o be_o you_o a_o brief_a account_n of_o augustine_n and_o the_o conversion_n of_o the_o english_a take_v out_o of_o bede_n be_v ecclesiastical_a history_n avgustine_n after_o he_o have_v be_v receive_v gracious_o by_o king_n ethelbert_n know_v not_o what_o he_o have_v to_o do_v he_o be_v send_v to_o preach_v plain_a christianity_n to_o those_o that_o be_v willing_a to_o learn_v it_o but_o he_o have_v a_o mind_n to_o do_v something_o else_o 27._o bede_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 27._o and_o therefore_o soon_o send_v to_o pope_n gregory_n for_o his_o resolution_n of_o certain_a question_n most_o of_o which_o our_o modern_a historian_n censure_v as_o legal_a and_o levitical_a and_o think_v they_o all_o except_v three_o to_o be_v of_o little_a use_n two_o of_o these_o be_v remarkable_a the_o first_o concern_v his_o own_o power_n which_o he_o will_v have_v extend_v not_o only_o over_o britain_n but_o to_o france_n in_o this_o latter_a he_o be_v repress_v and_o tell_v that_o the_o pope_n can_v not_o nor_o aught_o to_o grant_v it_o because_o his_o predecessor_n have_v before_o settle_v it_o on_o the_o bishop_n of_o arles_n yet_o over_o the_o bishop_n of_o britain_n he_o give_v he_o all_o the_o power_n which_o he_o can_v wish_v omnes_fw-la episcopos_fw-la britanniarum_fw-la tuus_fw-la fraternitati_fw-la committimus_fw-la 9_o bede_n lib._n 1._o cap_n 27._o resp_n 9_o ut_fw-la indocti_fw-la doceantur_fw-la infirmi_fw-la persuasione_n roborentur_fw-la perversi_fw-la autoritate_fw-la corrigantur_fw-la now_o it_o be_v unreasonable_a in_o augustine_n to_o ask_v this_o and_o injustice_n in_o gregory_n to_o grant_v it_o for_o both_o must_v needs_o know_v that_o this_o be_v a_o invasion_n of_o the_o right_n of_o bishop_n against_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o church_n against_o the_o six_o of_o the_o nicene_n council_n and_o the_o eight_o of_o the_o ephesine_n which_o say_v express_o that_o if_o the_o rite_n of_o church_n be_v take_v away_o and_o that_o by_o any_o patriarch_n whatsoever_o that_o fact_n shall_v be_v null_a and_o invalid_a 60._o barnesius_n cath-rom_n pacif._n p._n 60._o this_o father_n barn_n say_v give_v just_a cause_n and_o reason_n to_o the_o british_a bishop_n to_o withstand_v austin_n quia_fw-la videbatur_fw-la augustinus_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d agere_fw-la cum_fw-la iis_fw-la cogendo_fw-la eos_fw-la ut_fw-la reciperent_fw-la eum_fw-la pro_fw-la archiepiscopo_fw-la &_o mandatis_fw-la exterorum_fw-la se_fw-la subderent_fw-la cum_fw-la antiqui_fw-la mores_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la suae_fw-la postularent_fw-la ut_fw-la omne_fw-la inter_fw-la se_fw-la synodicè_fw-la agerent_fw-la tum_fw-la pro_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la ordinationibus_fw-la tum_fw-la pro_fw-la aliis_fw-la negotiis_fw-la ecclesiasticis_fw-la the_o second_o considerable_a query_n of_o augustine_n be_v concern_v ritual_n 3._o bede_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 27._o inter._n 3._o form_n of_o worship_n missal_n or_o liturgy_n in_o this_o he_o propose_v how_o it_o