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A85698 A relation of a disputation between Dr Griffith and Mr Vavasor Powell. And since some false observations made thereon, by Dr Griffith (or one of his symonicall brethren) to keep up the crack'd credit of their bad calling and cause. As also to reflect upon Mr Moston (whom they suppose to be the author of that relation) Mr Powell, and others. This therefore is to shew briefly the falsitie of those animadversions: and withall to justifie that syllogisme (objected against by him) by good authors, examples and arguments. Griffith, George, 1601-1666. 1653 (1653) Wing G1998; Thomason E686_1 11,644 16

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A RELATION OF A DISPUTATION BETWEEN Dr Griffith and Mr Vavasor Powell And since some false Observations made thereon by Dr Griffith or one of his Symonicall Brethren to keep up the crack'd credit of their bad Calling and Cause As also to reflect upon Mr Moston whom they suppose to be the Author of that Relation Mr Powell and others This therefore is to shew briefly the falsitie of those Animadversions and with all to justifie that Syllogisme objected against by him by good Authors Examples and Arguments 1 Tim. 4. 2. They speake lyes in hypocrisie having their Conscience seared with a hot iron Lydi mali post hos AEgyptij LONDON Printed by M.S. and are to be sold by Livewell Chapman at the Crowne in Popes head Alley 1653. A RELATION OF A DISPUTATION BETWEEN Dr Griffith and Mr Vavasor Powell IN Page 1. The Doctor denies that he promised a Sermon Answ There came a man in the name of the Doctor and the builder of the Chappell with a Paper in his hand and publiquely after Mr Moston and Mr Powell had Preached before a full Auditory in the presence of many of the Doctors owne friends and proclaimed that Doctor Griffith would Preach there at nine of the Clock upon the disputation day but it s not strange for Doctor Griffith to deny that for he denied his owne Doctrine Preached against honest people tho severall men at the Disputation justified it to his face and this made Mr Powell say to him That a Lyer ought to have a good memory although he said deb●t yet presently he said lap sus lingue c. And said Oportet mendacem esse memorem The captious Doctor might have remembred That the wicked make a man an offender for a word Also that he himselfe praying for a sick man at Llandrynio said Lord heale him as thou didst Peters servant and the Captaines wives Mother Page 4. The third Rule proved a tempting Question Answ That is not so for the third Rule was that what could not be ended then might be referd to another day and the Question was propounded by Mr Powell after he had declared he was not willing to dispute against other mens Callings but to justifie his owne Page 4. Then Mr Powell repeated his words That 's false he spake them first and the Doctor said onely that he was both Page 5. He said he had nothing to say against the Church of England and the Calling of her Ministers Answ That 's untrue his words were he had nothing to say against the godly people or godly Ministers in England and this he hath oft publiquely and privately spoke in my hearing and that was the Reason why he asked the Doctor whether he was an Episcopall man or a Presbyterian and whether he did undertake to defend the corrupt part of the Ministery of England for the godly party he would not dispute against Page 5. The Doctor demeaned himselfe in Christian meeknesse Answ Was it Christian meeknesse for him to give Mr Powell without the least provocation the lye twice To which Mr Powell answered the first time I thank you Doctor and the second time Turpe est Doctori cum culpa redarguit ipsum Page 5. All the knowing people of the Company were on the contrary side What nothing but untruths There were there above a dozen Universitie men of Mr Powells side besides severall scores of godly people who were able to Catechize your prophane Brethren the Ejected Priests who were better knowne there by their Adultery drunkennesse swearing gaming and rebelling against the State then by their godly preaching or conversation Page 5. The Doctor had some Interest in the Intention as challenged to be a party c. This is as unjust an Assertion as that Mr Powell published the Doctors first Letter for both in Mr Powells Letter and his words to the Doctor he expressed fully he sent not at all to the Doctor any challenge which if he had the Doctor had given Cause thereof by his invective Sermons against the godly Ministers and people Page 6. It is well knowne That the Doctor hath withstood Popery Answ How by maintaining holines of places setting up the Communion Table Altarwise as it remaines to this day in one of his Cures called Llandrynio maintaining God-fathers the Crosse in Baptisme prayer over the dead wearing Surplices singing of Psalmes before dead corpses going procession as he did last yeare receiving all the ignorant and scandalous that come out of several Parishes to the Sacrament as he did last Easter Is this withstanding of Popery Numa religiosior Page 6. It is too evident that Popery is now improved against us Answ It is true amongst you for I thinke one of the Doctors old Parishioners and friends a Papist hath endeavoured to make some Popish as the Doctor doth Prelaticall Profelytes The Doctor and his friends would remember how in opposition to the Acts of Parliament there was a scandalous Enterlude or Play set up in the Doctors Parissh in Shropshire about two yeares since and another neare this yeare and that by the Children of some of the Ejected Clergie when they durst not doe it in Wales Page 7. The Moderator esteemeth of the Doctor as of his brother and friend Answ That 's like enough to make him partiall besides their drudging and drawing together in the Bishops times and the harmony that still holds betweene these Organstrings The Proverb is herein true When Bullocks are once yoaked they will hardly be ever parted Page 8. That party looketh on the Doctor as a man standing in the gappe before them Answ It s very true he is looked so upon and not without cause for he hath set up a Monethly Lecture which he never did till now to cry downe private meetings lay-mens preaching c. And that he might doe his worke more effectually he would have brought in an Ejected Priest who preached publiquely that the Spirit in the Preachers approved by Parliament was a Hobgobling Spirit and that the present powers were Traytors and Rebells that had shed innocent bloud This will be proved against him Page 9. That the laughter did not immediately follow upon the Doctors excepting against the Syllogisme Answ It was immediately thereupon and in such an unchristian-like way by a crew of carnall Cavaliers and outed Clergie-men that made Mr Powell ask the Doctor whether he had brought a pack of Beagles to baite him Afterwards the Doctor did ask in what figure the Syllogisme was in and Mr Powell going to say the first figure answered suddenly Barbara upon which the Ceutes did lift up a second cry but that was the last for afterwards God did so silence and shame them that they hung downe their heads when they saw their Champion the Doctor could not repeat an Argument unlesse it were first written and read and it will not be amisse here to help the Doctors memory when he said there was a fallacie in Mr Powells Argument Mr Powell asked what