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A66974 Two discourses concerning the adoration of a B. Saviour in the H. Eucharist the first: Animadversions upon the alterations of the rubrick in the Communion-Service, in the Common-Prayer-Book of the Church of England : the second: The Catholicks defence for their adoration of our Lord, as believed really and substantially present in the Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist. R. H., 1609-1678. 1687 (1687) Wing W3459; ESTC R16193 65,860 80

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that_o say_v he_o believe_v that_o they_o the_o apostle_n believe_v that_o then_o they_o do_v eat_v christ_n very_a flesh_n and_o blood_n 57_o blood_n p._n 57_o to_o st._n cyril_n word_n do_v not_o look_v on_o it_o as_o bare_a bread_n and_o bare_a wine_n for_o it_o be_v the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n for_o though_o thy_o sense_n suggect_v this_o to_o thou_o yet_o let_v faith_n confirm_v thou_o he_o answer_n the_o bread_n and_o wine_n be_v not_o bare_a or_o mere_a bread_n and_o wine_n but_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n as_o the_o king_n statue_n in_o brass_n be_v not_o bare_a brass_n in_o all_o which_o we_o hear_v of_o the_o benefit_n of_o our_o lord_n body_n and_o blood_n and_o of_o his_o sacrifice_n on_o the_o cross_n real_o give_v to_o we_o in_o the_o eucharist_n but_o nothing_o of_o his_o very_a flesh_n and_o blood_n real_o and_o essential_o present_v there_o a_o thing_n profess_v abundant_o by_o bishop_n cousins_n chap._n iu_o consideration_n on_o the_o three_o observation_n no_o adoration_n intend_v or_o due_a to_o any_o corporal_a presence_n this_o from_o §_o 19_o i_o have_v to_o present_v