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A13883 A supplication made to the Priuy Counsel by Mr Walter Trauers Travers, Walter, 1547 or 8-1635.; England and Wales. Privy Council. 1612 (1612) STC 24187; ESTC S121052 14,436 27

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their dealing is with me being through the goodnesse of God not to be touched with any such blame and one who according to the measure of the guift of God haue laboured now some yeares painefully in regard of the weake estate of my body in preaching the Gospell and as I hope not altogether vnprofitably in respect of the Church But J beseech your Honours to giue me leaue breifly to declare the particular reasons of their letters and what answer I haue to make vnto it The first is that as they say I am not lawfully called to the function of the ministery nor allowed to preach according to the lawes of this Church of England For answer to this I had need to divide the points first to make answer to the former wherein leauing to shew what by the holy Scriptures is required in a lawfull calling and that all that is to be found in mine that I bee not too long for your other waightie affaires I rest I this answer my calling to the ministery was such as in the calling of any therevnto is appointed to bee vsed by the orders agreed vpon in the Nationall Synods of the lowe Countries for the direction and guidance of their Churches which orders are the same with those whereby the French Scottish Churches are governed whereof I haue shewed such sufficient testimoniall to my L. the Archbishop of Canterburie as is requisite in such a matter whereby it must needs fall out if any man be lawfully called to the ministery in those Churches then is my calling being the same with theirs also lawfull But I suppose notwithstanding they vse this generall speech they meane only my calling is not sufficient to deale in the ministery within this land because I was not made minister according to that order which in this cause is ordained by our laws Whervnto I beseech your Honours to consider throughly of mine answer because exception now againe is taken to my ministery whereas hauing beene heretofore called in question for it I so answered the matter as I continued my ministery and for any thing I discerned looked to heare that no more obiected vnto me The communion of Saints which every Christian man professeth to beleeue is such as that the acts which are done in any true Church of Christs according to his word are held as lawfull being done in one Church as in another Which as it holdeth in other acts of ministery as baptisme marriage and such like so doth it in the calling to the ministery by reason whereof all Churches doe acknowledge and receaue him for a minister of the word who hath beene lawfully called therevnto in any Church of the same professiō A Doctor created in any Vniversitie of Christendome is acknowledged sufficiently qualified to teach in any country The Church of Rome it selfe and the Canon law holdeth it that being ordered in Spaine they may execute that belongeth to their order in Italie or in any other place And the Churches of the gospell never made any question of it Which if they shall now begin to make doubt of and denie such to be lawfully called to the ministery as are called by another order then our owne then may it wel be looked for that other Churches will doe the like if a minister called in the low Countries be not lawfully called in England thē may they say to our preachers which are there that being made by another order thē theirs they cānot suffer them to execute any act of ministerie amongst them which in the ende must needes breed a schisme dangerous division in the Churches Further I haue heard of those that are learned in the lawes of this land that by expresse Statute to that purpose Anno 13. vpon subscription of the Articles agreed vpon Anno 62. that they who pretend to haue beene ordered by another order then that which is now established are of like capacitie to enioy any place of ministery within the land as they that haue bin ordered according to that is now by law in this case established Which comprehēding manifestly all even such as were made Priests according to the order of the Church of Rome it must needs be that the law of a Christian land professing the Gospell should be as favorable for a mimister of the worde as for a Popish Priest which also was so found in Mr Whittingames case who notwithstanding such replies against him enioyed still the benefit he had by his ministerie and might haue done vntill this day if God had spared him life so long which if it be vnderstood so and practised in others why should the change of the person alter the right which the law giveth to all other The place of ministery wherevnto I was called was not presentatiue and if it had beene so surely they would never haue presented anie man whō they never knew and the order of this Church is agree able herein to the word of God and the ancient best Canons that no man should be made minister sine titulo therefore having none I could not by the orders of this Church haue entred into the ministery before I had charge to tend vpon When I was at Anwerp and to take a place of ministerie among the people of that nation I see no cause whie I should haue returned againe over the seas for orders here nor how I could haue done it without disallowing the orders of the Churches provided in the country where I was to liue Whereby J hope it appeareth that my calling to the ministery is lawfull and maketh me by our law of capacitie to enioy any benefit or commoditie that any other by reasō of his ministery may enioie But my cause is yet more easie who reaped no benefit of my ministery by law receaving only a benevolence and voluntary contribution and the ministery I dealt with being preaching only which everie Deacon here may doe being licensed and certaine that are neither Ministers nor Deacons thus J answer the former of these two points whereof if there be yet any doubt J humbly desire for a finall ende thereof that some competent iudges in law may determine of it wherevnto J referre submit my selfe with all reverence and dutie The second is that I preached without license where vnto this is my answere I haue not presumed vpon the calling I had to the ministery abroad to preach or deal with any part of the ministry within this Church with out the consent and allowance of such as were to allow me vnto it my allowance was from the Bishop of London testified by his two severall letters to the inner Temple who without such testimony would by no meanes rest satisfied in it which letters being by mee produced J referre it to your Honours wisdome whether I haue taken vpon me to preach without being allowed as they charge according to the orders of the Realme Thus having answered the second point also J haue done with the