Selected quad for the lemma: england_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
england_n	call_v	church_n	faith_n	2,489	5	5.2087	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A12592	A godly treatise containing and deciding certaine questions, mooued of late in London and other places, touching the ministerie, sacraments, and Church Whereunto one proposition more is added. After the ende of this booke you shall finde a defence of such points as M. Penry hath dealt against: and a confutation of many grosse errours broched in M. Penries last treatise. Written by Robert Some Doctor of Diuinitie.	Some, Robert, 1542-1609.; Penry, John, 1559-1593. Defence of that which hath bin written in the questions of the ignorant ministerie, and the communicating with them.	1588 (1588)	STC 22909; ESTC S117654	118,250	200

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meliorem_fw-la ministrantur_fw-la illa_fw-la namque_fw-la per_fw-la seipsa_fw-la vera_fw-la &_o sancta_fw-la sunt_fw-la propter_fw-la deum_fw-la verum_fw-la &_o sanctum_fw-la cvius_fw-la sunt_fw-la &_o ideo_fw-la fieri_fw-la potest_fw-la ut_fw-la accedens_fw-la adsoctetatem_fw-la populi_fw-la dei_fw-la alium_fw-la inveniat_fw-la à_fw-la quo_fw-la facilè_fw-la baptizetut_o alium_fw-la eligat_fw-la quem_fw-la salubriter_fw-la imitetur_fw-la certus_n est_fw-la enim_fw-la sanctume_fw-fr esse_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la christi_fw-la etiamsiper_n minus_fw-la sanctum_fw-la vel_fw-la non_fw-la sanctum_fw-la hominem_fw-la ministratum_fw-la est_fw-la se_fw-la autem_fw-la eiusdem_fw-la ipsius_fw-la sacramenti_fw-la sanctitate_fw-la puniri_fw-la si_fw-la indignè_fw-la acciperit_n si_fw-la malè_fw-la usus_fw-la fuerit_fw-la si_fw-la ei_fw-la non_fw-la convenienter_fw-la &_o congruè_fw-fr vixerit_fw-la august_n contra_fw-la cres_n gram._n lib_n 4._o chap._n 20._o the_o sum_n of_o augustine_n word_n 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false_a my_o reason_n be_v a_o evil_a man_n ought_v not_o to_o deliver_v the_o word_n of_o god_n but_o we_o ought_v to_o receive_v it_o a_o evil_a man_n ought_v not_o to_o give_v alm_n but_o a_o poor_a man_n may_v receive_v it_o a_o absurd_a minister_n ought_v not_o to_o deliver_v the_o sacrament_n but_o they_o be_v not_o pollute_v which_o receive_v it_o i._o penry_n the_o objection_n concern_v the_o giver_n and_o the_o receiver_n be_v never_o i_o i_o can_v turn_v it_o against_o you_o but_o i_o must_v be_v brief_a r._n some_o it_o be_v not_o you_o i_o confess_v i_o do_v not_o charge_v you_o with_o it_o it_o be_v a_o other_o man_n you_o must_v give_v some_o other_o man_n leave_v to_o make_v fond_a argument_n as_o well_o as_o yourself_o you_o can_v turn_v it_o you_o say_v against_o i_o you_o be_v one_o of_o the_o strange_a turner_n that_o ever_o i_o know_v you_o have_v turn_v out_o such_o a_o deal_n of_o gross_a divinity_n upon_o i_o and_o other_o that_o we_o be_v weary_a and_o you_o may_v be_v ashamed_a of_o it_o chap._n 10._o i._o penry_n the_o godly_a do_v sin_n which_o do_v communicate_v with_o unpreach_v minister_n reason_n because_o they_o communicate_v with_o those_o who_o be_v no_o minister_n r._n some_o you_o have_v be_v liberal_a in_o charge_v i_o to_o beg_v the_o question_n it_o be_v your_o fault_n in_o this_o place_n you_o affirm_v that_o unpreach_a minister_n be_v no_o minister_n i_o deny_v it_o it_o be_v very_o strange_a to_o i_o that_o you_o will_v account_v ignorant_a levitical_a priest_n lawful_a priest_n and_o deny_v unpreach_v minister_n to_o have_v any_o call_n if_o you_o be_v indifferent_a you_o will_v serve_v they_o both_o alike_o i._o penry_n they_o can_v be_v assure_v to_o receive_v a_o sacrament_n at_o their_o hand_n r._n some_o yourself_o deny_v not_o that_o they_o be_v the_o sacrament_n which_o be_v deliver_v by_o unpreach_v minister_n if_o they_o be_v the_o sacrament_n which_o be_v administer_v i_o be_o sure_a first_o that_o they_o be_v the_o sacrament_n which_o be_v receive_v second_o that_o they_o have_v a_o call_n which_o do_v administer_v they_o beside_o the_o ignorance_n of_o the_o minister_n can_v pollute_v the_o godly_a receiver_n i._o penry_n they_o do_v not_o examine_v themselves_o aright_o &_o so_o be_v not_o worthy_a receiver_n 1._o