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A02522 A common apologie of the Church of England against the vniust challenges of the ouer-iust sect, commonly called Brownists. Wherein the grounds and defences, of the separation are largely discussed: occasioned, by a late pamphlet published vnder the name, of an answer to a censorious epistle, which the reader shall finde in the margent. By I.H. Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656.; Robinson, John, 1575?-1625. Answer to a censorious epistle. 1610 (1610) STC 12649; ESTC S103653 113,921 160

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