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A59958 William Penn and the Quakers either impostors, or apostates which they please: proved from their avowed principles, and contrary practices. By Trepidantium Malleus. Shewen, William, 1631?-1695. 1696 (1696) Wing S3427A; ESTC R221166 53,999 145

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old Teachers or rather Deceivers taught otherwise The Soul was a part of God came out of him and returns to him again You sensless Wretches could a part of God ever sin or be made miserable That Christ was the Anointings of God which were once in the Man called Christ when he died his Body turned to dust and since the same Anointings are in others and they are the Christ of God as really as he was and therefore some have been so worshipped as he was The Scriptures are no Rule to them Let therefore the Reader remember what I doubt few consider If they dispute with you by Scripture it is but to take you in your own way if he casts you he hath you but if you him he is where he was before Why He cast you by your Rule Scripture but you cannot him by his that is The Light within So that the Quakers Judgment must be tried by his Judgment and his Opinion by his Opinion and his Light by his Light I know some Quakers will say Were it not for the Scriptures we had been in a miserable condition and they will believe nothing said against them but these know not the bottom of Quakerism The Quakers generally are very ignorant and yet very conceited For Ignorance In opposition to us they say It is not true Christ had but Three Offices 1. Of a King 2. Priest 3. Prophet But go on 4. Bishop 5. Pastor 6. Teacher c. as if variety of Names did make variety of Offices For Pride I could give notorious Instances which are not convenient Luther in his Table-talk speaking to some to whom the Devil did sometimes visibly appear with his Temptations To be rid of him said he remember he is a Proud Spirit Let a F He will soon be gone for he cannot endure Contempt It may be some when the Quakers in the heighth of Pride Talk backwards answer them so if I have err'd in my Manners I have err'd by a great Example Luther And now as I have considered William Penn the Quaker so I will apply my self to him according to his Grandeur or Magnificence To WILLIAM King of Pensilvania May it please Your Majesty I Humbly offer it to Your Consideration 1. Whether the first Leaders of the Quakers being proved not to be inspired or sent of God coming with Blasphemies and yet pretending to Inspiration Prophecies all which are proved to be Delusions are not evidently Cheats and the worst sort of Deceivers 2. What induced the Quakers not to trouble the Churchmen in their Assemblies as they did the Presbyterians of old Some say they were much worse than the Churchmen for they were Hypocrites but these shew what they are Others say They were much better than the Churchmen and there was a Seed of God among them to be called out and all from the same Infallible Spirit May not all these be Pretences and the true Reason this Should they disturb or come in naked in their Churches or there prate or rave they shall be punish'd now though they often escaped then 3. Though they so often talk of The Light within where do they ever read the Phrase in Scripture except in one place as if wrote on purpose for them 6 Mat. 23. If the light that is in thee be darkness how great is that darkness 4. Whether You and Your Brother James late King of England were not mere Pretenders for Liberty of Conscience when You rowed one way and look'd another both oppressing Your Subjects contrary to Your Protestations 5. Do not You know more Instances of Quakers pretended Miracles false Prophecies than some of us can tell you I care not to name Persons nor Circumstances for the sake of their Relations Know You not of them that have openly declared in the Name of the Lord That by To morrow or within such a Month such a Judgment should come on a Place that came not I will tell you if you ask me but I suppose You may as well tell me who put Stones into the Oven saying They should be made Bread but when not Bread but Stones came out said to his Wife Woman because of thy Vnbelief is it thus To whom she replied If my Vnbelief continued some of the Stones Stones one would think your Faith should have made half of them Bread Govern your Subjects without Carnal Weapons for they are not lawful If they smite one another on the one Cheek let the other be turned also If any one take away their Cloak let him take the Coat also lest their fighting by virtue of Your Majesty's Commission should be told in Gath and published in the streets of Askelon Great are the Complaints there in Your Kingdom Many because they are not Quakers are much imposed on and abused I pray remember what became of Your great Friend and Brother James late King of England when an Oppressor lest being Brethren in Iniquity Your Majesty should flee into France and there once again keep him company And therefore William King of Pensilvania I pray You to imitate Your Brother William King of England a Man who shineth in His Integrity Wisdom and great Conduct of all His Affairs a Man whose Life is a System of the best Morals in the world So keep Your Subjects from some late abominable Practices of Drunkenness Whoredoms and Oppressions lest the Prophecy of John Owen against Friends should be verified That their Light that Ignis Fatuus would at last lead them into a Bog or Quagmire of Filthiness and Prophaneness For if such great Wickedness should abound among the Perfect Ones Your Majesty may say to them and they to Your Majesty what was said to Simeon and Levi Brethren in Iniquity You have made me stink in the nostrils of the inhabitants of the land Your Majesty's Humble Servant Anonymus NOW Friends How will you answer me I am sure no Sober Rational Answer can be given Either you must deny the Principles laid down or Practices though proved Either that they never asserted That the Place of Publick Worship must not be left for any Persecution Or That they kept to those Places in the greatest Heat Or that Ministers were not testified against for their Learning or Fisher followed for his real as Penn for his imaginary Learning Or that bowing to man was never condemned or not now practised c. But this would be unheard-of Impudence What must I expect now I have hedged them in A Confession and Humiliation No. I know them too well to expect it yet without despairing of it if lying and and railing may be their Resuge Scripture and Reason are gone out of sight I expect they will talk of me to me or send Letters in the old Dialect they were wont to do to the best of men and now sometimes do one to the other when they fall out about Doctrinals or other things as may be seen in Books before-named Were it not for the sin I would not desire
what was inflicted by the Civil Magistrate on one another was just That Penn defended and engaged so to do Pensilvania by Soldiers and Arms against the Indians Commissions were given to Fight for the recovering of a Sloop taken from some Privateers that they Imprisoned some Quakers for Printing some Books without a License though but in their own defence That Burroughs said God could Arm Thousands of his Saints yea and Ten Thousands to Fight his Cause but for the present must not be so till Christ command them and this Christ is the Light within He asks this one plain Question of Friends Is not force of Arms necessary in England and all other Nations though condemned and that by the Spirit of God as Antichristian and Diabolical This Gentleman entertains you with a very pleasant Comedy how they play their Infallibilities Inspirations Prophecies one against another how they damn all the Christian world and yet assert the Salvation of Heathen How Fox and especially the Old Cheat George Bishop told Oliver How much they loved him and stood by him and what should be done to prevent the coming in of Charles Stuart And yet when he came in told him They acted not against him but mourned for him And talk much how they suffered as he did and what was their Loyalty till Billin a great Quaker Protested That if it cost him his life he would declare against any such pretences for said he we were not for the King but against him Howgil stole whole Paragraphs out of Mr. Selden of Tythes verbatim Yet this in others hath been highly condemned where not practised but injuriously charged He gives you an account of their horrid Blasphemies about Scripture as Serpents Meat dust about Christ and the Light within about Perfection Ordinances c. AND now I advise all Persons of Parts and Wisdom that look into the Controversie between us and the Quakers especially Gentlemen and Ministers to buy and peruse the aforenamed Book the best in my opinion that ever I saw I have given you some of the dainties there to invite you to a more plentiful eating What shame is it for Men to pretend as Preachers to convince Gainsayers and yet know not the most convincing Arguments to confute their Folly whom they know to be the worst of Hereticks and oppose them as such Or what a shame is it for Gentlemen who should be advocates for truth not to know what can be said against such Deceivers as these These are Hereticks indeed some of the worst when others cannot be so call'd though they are too often so but rather Erraticks and perhaps we are all such though some more than others As I have recommended the Snake in the Grass so I will Pennyman's Paper call'd The Quakers Contradictions according to the Times and their Interest Once a Quaker but left them for their Folly and Madness Some have said as he proves out of their Writers That their Writings are equal to the Scriptures and of as great Authority Some That the Scriptures are Carnal Dust Death Others have declared before the Lord That such words were never spoken by Friends which if not great impudence must be great ignorance For it may be Friends in one place know not what Friends in another place do say or Print I therefore commend Pennyman for sometimes repeating their words and no more He proves that they that have denied the Scripture to be the word of God have called their own Writings so Some have said That they are no Ministers but are under the curse that be not infallible and speak not immediately from God that cannot resolve all doubts and convince all Gainsayers What a cursed sort of Teachers then say I are most of the Quakers Teachers who are so far from this that they cannot speak tolerable sense nor pronounce right many common words They also have said That they that have not the Spirit of discerning and know not Mens state infallibly upon the sight of them cannot apply themselves to them accordingly not knowing whether they be holy or unholy But did they know all the Priests and Jesuits that came among them whom they almost adored Bedlo told my Brother how often Whitebread and he as well as other Papists had been at Quakers Meetings that Whitebread Executed was a Speaker Why discerned they not such Speakers that have been found to have lived in Drunkenness Whoredoms Must you know hearts too this is the work of Christ Judas was not smelt by the Disciples Some say they know Thousands of Friends that are free from Sin Once they all pretended to be so and that they that were not so were not of God but of the Devil Some say That Friends be all of one Mind and Soul Yet we know there are great divisions among them here at home and beyond Sea He tells you of a Quaker's stealing the Hour-glass out of a Church and that Fox said If a Friend be moved to such a thing by the Lord by the Eternal Spirit it is defended Now you Priests and Steeple-house Wardens look to the Silver Vessels used in the Sacrament for if a Friend should be moved to take them away by the Eternal Spirit it would be defended Some of the Separate Quakers have desired Liberty of Conscience in things not Evil as was once pleaded for but they cannot be heard Some have condemned asking any thing of outward Rulers Others have often Petitioned King and Parliament The Quakers Speakers take the chief Seats in their Assemblies now though once they condemned it Many now in Disputes and Discourse use terms others condemn as wicked Some have said It is laid on them by Christ not to Sue any Man at Law others I say have done it and as I have been credibly informed they that would not take an Oath in Bristol have in London Pennyman tells you how Penn blamed the Church of England in the Reign of the Late King James for Censuring the King's Acts and Reflecting on Roman Catholicks as not Manners nor Justice He cites the Book Some have said If the Spirit direct to fight we have nothing to say against it Others say they can never be directed by the Spirit to any such thing for it is not of God He speaks of their rudeness to him saying he deserved to be whipp'd at a Carts tail that they thrust him in the side with a stick Yet all these were Inspired and Infallible in contrary Doctrines Now having given an account of these two excellent Writers Let me a little consider the Plea of some among us for this People Question 1. Are not the Quakers more sober than once they were Yes and many know not the Opinions nor Practices of their first old Leaders No Men or Women run up and down Naked now c. Question 2. Are they not a People very Temperate above others Let every Man speak as he finds I lived long next door to one who was found out to be a