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A79750 The proceedings of the Commissioners of the Church and kingdome of Scotland, with his Majestie at the Hague. And the papers interchanged betwixt his Majestie and them, as they were reported in Parliament and the Generall Assembly. Appointed by authority to be published. Church of Scotland. General Assembly. Commission.; Charles I, King of England, 1600-1649. 1649 (1649) Wing C4251A; Thomason E566_11; ESTC R25607 22,979 29

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express how much Affection and Loyalty your Lordships did bear to his Royal Person and Government whereof we shall be ready to make a more full relation when it shall please your Lordships to require it Although we have not had as yet such satisfaction as both your Lordships and we did wish yet do we not despair since affairs are left in that condition that further progress may be made thereupon by the express which his Majesty is to send hither or by new applications to his Majesty as your Lordships shall think fitting We have had so many experiences and proofs of the good hand of our God with us unto this day that although our difficulties be many we were of all people most unthankeful if we should now faint or cast away our confidence in doing of our duty we may hope that he will yet assist and go before us and as all possible and lawful means would be still used for gaining from our Soveraign the King a gracious Answer to our Desires so should we not in the mean time become secure but imploy all warrantable means for preserving Religion and the Kingdom in safety June 14. 1649. CASSILS BRODIE GEO. WYNRAME The Commissioners first paper to the Kings Majesty desiring the removal of James Graham from his presence and Court May it please your Majesty THe Estates of Parliament of your Majesties ancient Kingdom of Scotland considering what sad effects the pernicious Counsels of wicked Instruments have produced by raising and fomenting division between your Majesties Royal Father and his faithful Subjects Have commanded us at our first Address to your Majesty humbly to crave that your Majesty would be pleased to remove from having access to your Royal Person and Court all these who have been and continue Excommunicate by the Church of that Kingdom and namely James Graham sometime Earl of Montrose and now we according to the Trust committed to us do humbly and earnestly crave the same at your Majesties hands being very hopeful that a more plentiful blessing from God shall accompany your Majesties Counsels and affairs and that the desires and endeavors of the Parliament shall prove the more effectual to work a good understanding and mutual confidence betwixt your Majesty and your people when so eminent an Author and Actor of mischief shall have no countenance from your Majesty nor influence upon your Royal Counsels who abandoning the Covenant and despising the Oath of God did invade his native Country and with most inhumane and barbarous cruelty did burn and waste divers parts thereof and who spilt so much blood of your Majesties good Subjects taking advantage of that time when the prime Commanders and Forces thereof were imployed elsewhere for which crimes he was excommunicated by the Church and fore-faulted by the Parliament of that Kingdom and still to this day continues in the highest contempt against God under that fearful sentence of Excommunication without the smallest sign of Repentance March 27. 1649. Signed by Warrant and at Command of the Commissioners of the Parliament of the Kingdom of Scotland His Majesties Answer I Desire and expect that you deliver all the Propositions or Desires you are instructed to present to me before I make an Answer to any particular one being resolved to consider of the whole before I declare my Resolution upon any part April 8. 1649. N. Stilo Signed C R. The Commissioners second Paper for removal of James Graham May it please your Majesty WE the Commissioners of the Parliament of your Majesties Kingdom of Scotland having considered your Majesties Answer of the date the 8 of April Stilo no. to our desire for removing James Graham from your Majesties Person and Court must in conscience of our duty with all humility represent unto your Majesty how sorry we are that your Majesty should delay to give satisfaction to that our first so just and necessary Desire It being previous and most conducing to an happy procedure in the other particulars which we are warranted to under to your Majesty We do humbly beseech your Majesty seriously to consider what fears and discontents it would beget in the hearts of your Majesties most affectionate Subjects and how it would blast their hopes of comfort by your Majesties Raign now in the bud if delay or difficulty were made to remove from your Majesty one who justly and deservedly is most hateful unto them and how great disadvantage it would bring to your Majesties affairs that he should have any countenance from or neerness to your Royal Person especially at this time therefore we do most humbly and earnestly renew and insist upon that our first desire assuring your Majesty that we shall in the rest endeavor according to that trust reposed on us to give your Maiesty all satisfaction March 30. 1649. Signed by Warrant and at Command of the Commissioners of the Kingdom of Scotland His Majesties Answer I Do insist upon my former Answer and do desire and expect that you do deliver all the Propositions or Desires you or any of you are enstructed to present to me before I make an Answer to any particular one being resolved to consider of the whole before I declare my Resolution upon any part April 10. n. stil 1649. Signed C R. The Commissioners third Paper containing the Propositions offered to his Majesty in name of the Parliament of the Kingdom of Scotland May it please your Majesty WE are commanded by the Estates of Parliament of your Majesties Kingdom of Scotland humbly to represent to your Majesty that as they were not wanting in giving faithful and timous counsel to your Maiesties Royal Father for preventing the dangers which were then feared and have since to their deep sorrow and unexpressible grief fallen out and as they have with all care and faithfulness contributed their utmost endeavors for preserving their late Soveraign as their Letters Instructions Declarations and their Commissioners Papers can evidence So they do resolve to continue the same loyal affection and faithfulness to your Majesty and accordingly have acknowledged and proclaimed your Majesty King of Great Britain France and Ireland with all readiness unanimity alacrity and solemnity and have protested in favours of your Majesties just Right of Succession in the Royal Government of your Kingdoms of England and Ireland against all Acts done or to be done to the contrary As also have commanded us in their name humbly to offer to your Majesty that they conceive it necessary for establishing the happy Government of that your Majesties ancient Kingdom and for restoring your Majesty to the setled and peaceable possession of your ●ust Right of Government of your other Dominions 1. That your Majesty would be pleased to assure and declare that you will by your solemn Oath under your Hand and Seal allow the National Covenant of Scotland and the Solemn League and Covenant of Scotland England and Ireland and that your Majesty will prosecute the ends thereof in your Royall 〈◊〉 2.
your Majesty may be restored to the peaceable possession of the Government of your other Kingdoms Wherefore we do in all humility renew these our former Desires earnestly beseeching that without losing of precious time your Majestie would be pleased to give a direct and satisfactory Answer thereunto April 23. May 3. 1649. Signed by the Commissioners of Parliament His Majesties Answer I Cannot thinke your Paper of the 3. of this month to contain a partain Answer to the Questions of Mine of the thirtieth of the last all your Answer to My Question whether you have any other thing to propone then that you have already proposed being that you are not to propose any other unlesse you be commanded Whereas I expected you would have answered whether you are commanded to make any other proposition or no and that you would have told Me whether you have power to recede from any particular which you have proposed which you answer no other wayes then by saying what you demand is just and reasonable but I cannot but observe that to My Question of the bringing the murtherers of My Father to justice and what assistance you would give to that purpose you make not the least answer nor not so much as mention your sense of that horrid and Vnparaleld Murther and therefore I would be glad to receive your ful answer thereunto May 7. N. S. Signed C.R. May it please your Majestie OUr deep sense of the great dangers which will unavoidably ensue to your Majesties affaires upon delaying to give satisfaction to these desires which we have proposed in name of the Parliament of your Majesties Kingdom of Scotland as the best and most effectuall means for establishing your Majesties happie government of that your ancient Kingdome and for restoring your Majestie to the possession of your just right of government of your other dominions maketh us heavily regrate that so much time hath been spent without any direct Answer from your Majestie but instead thereof of some questions have been proposed to us and that notwithstanding we have once again as we humbly conceive sufficiently answered and cleared the fame both by Word and Writ yet they are renewed and insisted upon by your Majesties paper of the seventh of this instant to which little more can be said to our judgement then what hath been expressed before For to your Majesties first question whither our papers already delivered contain all particulars which we have to purpose we could not answer more directly and clearly then that we are not to propose any other unless we be further commanded by the Parliament And to that whither we had power to recede from any particulars proposed we answered that the desires we proposed are not only just and reasonable but necessary and consequently such as from which we may not recede And to your Majesties last question we gave an Answer very full and comprehensive that your Majesties granting these just and necessary desires would move your good Subjects of Scotland to do for the advancement of your Majesties service and affairs whatsoever could be expected from loyall Subjects to their gracious King and to endeavour to the utmost of their power by all lawfull and necessary means that your Majesty may be restored to the possession of your just right of government of your other Kingdomes Neither did we conceive it necessary to multiply words in repeating our deep sense of that horrid Fact against the life of your Royall Father seeing the whole Parl. of Scotland whereof we had the honour to be Members had so solemnly declared to the world how much they did detest and abominate the very design thereof as the Protestations and Papers of their Commissioners at London can bear witnesse and we were so conscious to our selves of our sincere tender respects and affection towards our late Soveraign that we looked not to have our sense of that fact in the least wise questioned Wherefore we do again with all humility and earnestness renew our former supplication that without further loss of precious time whereof too much is lost already we wish it be not to the prejudice both of your Majesties affaires and of your lamentably distracted and bleeding Kingdoms your Majestie will be pleased to give a direct and satisfactory Answer to these our most just an necessary desires in doing whereof your Majesty will be to these afflicted Kingdoms like the rain coming down upon the mowen grasse and as showers that water the earth Aprill 29. May 9. 1649. Signed by the Commissioners of Parliament May it please your Majesty HAving for a long time waited your Majesties leisure for an Answer to the humble desires of the Parliament of your kingdom of Scotland which we have in their name tendred to your Majesty and having received no Answer or the least satisfaction to any of them in discharge of our duty to your Majesty We cannot but shew that both your affairs and your distracted Kingdoms are exposed to exceeding great prejudice by the losse of so much precious time which in our humble opinion might have been much better improved for the advantage of both And by your Majesties intended removal hence and our necessitie to return we are so straitned with time that we cannot forbear any longer to renew our humble and earnest request for a speedy favourable Answer whereby your Majesty hath a fair occasion if imbraced at once to make both your self and people happie And on the contrary the great danger and irreparable losse will inevitably ensue upon further delaying or refusing to give satisfaction to so just and reasonable desires so obvious to any impartial eie so that if now when by the power and prevalencie of Sectaries and their Army in England that Kingdom brought underfoot and almost lost and when Ireland is in very great distractions your Maj. shall not speedily heartily satisfie the desires of your Maj. Kingdom of Scotland especially for Religion and the Covenant which is the strongest band to tye Subjects to their King It will weaken the hands of all those that love Religion and Monarchicall Government in England and wholly discourage and disenable Scotland to do for your Majesty by that means also your enemies will be incouraged and strengthened to prosecute their wicked designes and your good people in England will be forced to couch under the burden and submit to the yoak dispairing of any means of relief or deliverance We intreat your Majestie to remember that opportunitie once losed cannot be regained the neglect and not taking hold whereof when so frequently offered hath been the chief cause of the troubles of your Royall Family and hath to our unspeakable grief proved sad and fatall at last We are confident that your Majesty rightly pondering and laying these things to heart will in the entry of your Reign so much cherish the hopefull expectation of your Loyall people as that they may at length look for the wished ends of the
carry home to them who have sent us matter of praise to God for inclining your heart towards these their counsels which are most likely to procure to your Majesty and all your Dominions an happy deliverance from all their present distresses May 18. 28. 1649. Cassils Ro. Bailie Liberton Ia. Wood. Hereby we obtained from his Majesty May 19. 29. this answer I Have considred the severall Papers and Propositions delivered to me by you c. vide supra Our grief for this Paper was great it was much worse then any thing we expected not onely the hand of the worst of the English Counsell but of Iames Graham also and others of our evil countrey men was visible therein we resolved to give unto it this plain Reply May it please your Majesty VVEe the Commissioners of the Kirk of Scotland having considered your Majesties Paper of May 19. 29. given to us in answer of all our formet must in conscience of our duty with all humility make known to your Majesty that to our great grief we find it in many the chiefest points of our desires very unsatisfactory Vnto our first Paper for discountenancing of excommunicate persons to which a satisfactory answer in reason was promised nothing at all is said To our other desires no proper return is made unto us but we are sent to gather it here there out of your Majesties Answer to the Commissioners of Parliament wherein though we find some things returned to their desires which they had common with 〈◊〉 yet the most part thereof runneth upon matters of State wherewith our condition permits us not to meddle but rather then to go away without all further conference we are willing in obedience to your Majesties desires to consider what in that writing we conceive may have any reference to our Propositions We blesse God that your Majesty assures us you will maintain confirm and defend the Ecclesiastick Government of Scotland as it is settled by Law and particularly these Laws which concern the National Covenant Confession of Faith and Presbyteriall government of our Church their blame must be the greater who have been Authours to your Majesty to give so frequent open and familiar accesse to Iames Graham most solemnly and justly excommunicate by that Church which things cannot but be thought as it is indeed a great violation of the Ecclesiastick government To ou● desire in the matter of our Nationall Covenant that as your Grand Father by his own hand and your Father by the hand of His Commissioner had subscribed it so your Majesty would be pleased to subscribe the same no answer at all is given But our prime dissatisfaction is that what we petitioned concerning the Directory Confession of Faith agreed upon by the Assembly of Divines at Westminster and approven by the generall Assembly and Parliament of Scotland Catechismes and Propositions for government is clearly denyed and our greatest desire about the solemn League and Covenants fully frustrate The Covenant it self is broken in pieces some parts are avowedly laid aside the other parts are refused to be taken into consideration till they be proven first not to be comprised in the acts concerning the Nationall Covenant and Presbyteriall government of the Church of Scotland next that they are necessary to the welfare both of the Church and Kingdome and thirdly that they have no reference either to England or Ireland When all this is made to appear an Act of oblivion of all that Iames Graham and his complices or any other have done during all the time of these sad distractions must be past and a union with all these then must be fully settled before your Majesty do so much as apply your self to give satisfaction in these things Such an answer we know cannot fail to grieve the whole Church of Scotland and all their Covenanted Brethren in England and Ireland who under the pain of most solemn Perjury stand bound to God and one to another to live and die in that solemne League and Covenant as the chiefe and necessary security of their Religion and Liberties which the Popish Prelaticall and malignant Faction by their pernitious Counsells and actions now of a long time have been overturning and to this day continue diligent in promoving to their power that their destructive designe We marvell how any can object conscience or Honour against your Majesties granting to us what we desire in the Covenant for securing the Protestant Religion who have themselves been Counsellers and perswaders that your Majesty without all scruple either of conscience or honour should conclude subscribe and seal antecedently to and without any Parliament yea contrary to all the Parliaments of Eng●and the●e hundred years a liberty of the Popish Religion to the bloody Rebels of Ireland Your Majesty would be pleased to consider that any relation these things we desire may have to England hindereth them not to be lawfull Acts of the Generall Assembly of Scotland legally ratified by the Parliaments of that Kingdom which when your Majestie does approve nothing is imposed upon England since their own Houses of Parliament and Assembly of Divines did not only Act the same things but in all their Treaties with the King with Scotland for divers years together did earnestly presse them Your Majesties Father in his last Message to the Commission of our Church did offer to ratifie the Solemn League and Covenant for all that had taken it or should take it in any of the 3 Kingdoms and in his last Treaty with the English Commissioners in the Isle of Wighe did as we are enformed offer to confirm the Directory Presbyteriall Government and what else was required for Religion in England and Ireland ever till he and his Parliament should agree upon a setled Order for the Church We do not conceive what in this Covenant can stumble your Majesty The abolition of Episcopacy and of the Service-Book your Majesty maintains confirms and defends in Scotland the duty done with a good conscience allowance of God in Scotland cannot be against conscience nor offend God in England no Reformed Church no Protestant Divine out of England did ever esteem Episcopacy or Liturgy necessary All Scotland the most of England the best part of Ireland doe judge the abolition of Popery of Prelacy of the Liturgy And joyning in a Covenant for that end a necessary duty Your Majesty and all the World may see to the very great grief of our soul the wrath of the Lord burning like a flame no better mean know we to quench it then for your Majesty to be humbled under his mighty hand to seek and rely on his favour to be zealous for advancing his affairs to establish the Solemn League and Covenant to provoke him no more by holding up in his House against the Hearts of all the Orthodox abroad and of the godly at home humane inventions borrowed from Rome most unhappy to Britain No mean in our judgement is comparable to