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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A91667	A reply to the House of Commons. Or rather to an impostor, giving answer in their names to the Londoners petition, presented to the said honourable House. Sept. 11. 1648.		1648 (1648)	Wing R1075; Thomason E470_6; ESTC R205525	11,724	15

the oppressions brought upon us truly as there was a general conjunction of them both with the King in bringing in the same so could not we dis-joyn them in our expression and though it be an usual fault to asperse an order or whole Society for the Personal escapes of a few yet here we can discern no crime in it since it was not a few but almost all that partook in the Tytannie and the very nature and dependency of the order it self upon the Prerogative is such that it very much inclines them thereunto For taking away some of the Laws establisht which you count hainous in us so it be done in an orderly way by the House of Commons as we intend it we can see no crime in it It being the business and constant work of Parliaments and at this time as needful as ever since this House hath found that all kind of tyrannie and those Prerogatives which they have judged most destructive to the Common-wealth have very much support and countenance from the present Laws and Ba●icadoes made up by them against those just means and expedients which necessity and the Peoples welfare enforce them to make use of For that excellent Maxime The safety of the People is above all Law which you say we mis-understand and mis-apply in using it to shake off obedience and in making the People Judges of safety Truly Sir we think you have mis-understood us for we make the House of Commons Judges of Safety which they themselves declared to be endangered by the Kings setting up his Standard before we engaged in the War The Maxime we do but suggest and would have them make use of and we know they have frequently done it where the Law doth not provide sufficient remedy You tell us The House of Commons have not denyed the Kings Negative voice And yet Sir they have waged a War without him and the People that part I mean that have assisted them have judged themselves sufficiently obliged by their Orders And though hitherto they have yeilded to that customary formality mistaking a Ceremony for a Fundamental a Complement for a necessary requisite to the essence of our Laws yet do they begin to see through it as appears by their Vores of no more Address and their manner of proceeding in the Treaty where they allow not the King that liberty which a Negative voice implies but insist upon the passing their Propositions in their own way and terms And though we think they have even in this yeilded the King too much considering the disproportion betweem them and his being conquered yet by this little they give us to understand that they allow not his Negative voice in that latitude he hath claimed it Thus by degrees you see all usurpations are like to be seen through amongst which this is one of the greatest most conducing I mean to establishment of Tyranny for by it it is at the pleasure of Kings who have ever studied themselves and their own elevation above the People to admit the passing of no Laws unlesse fore'd thereunto by the subjugation of Strength as at this time but what conduce thereunto And though at the beginning of this Parliament he yeelded to the taking away of many oppressions yet they were but such as he had brought upon us and that in policy too for the stopping of the Peoples mouths and to prevent the questioning of that power by which he fore'd them in for the maintaining where of he hath since sought and had he conquered all on our parts had been 〈◊〉 and Parliaments must either have no longer been or been as heretofore chiefly serviceable to his Designes 'T is to be considered too that Kings have upon the yeelding to the taking away of Oppressions demanded allowance So many Subsidies for example twelve for the taking away of Ship-mony or some other satisfaction in 〈◊〉 thereof as at this time Consideration is demanded for the Court of Wards 100000. l. per annum So that what was unduly brought upon us and for the doing whereof amends ought to be made to the persons damnified shall yet at their very removal give us one gird more to put us in mind were we by any injuries to be awaked of the notorious injustice of such usages Lastly To this Negative Voice I will ad only this That what was at first in Kings but as the Lord Majors setting to the Seal or as Acts passing in Holland in the name of the Earldom of Holland or in Venice in the name of S. Mark for in some name they must passe has been by craft and the advantages of times crept into a liberty of Will a Power of passing or not passing and to this the King thought to bring it in Scotland but that they had courage to tell him that he was bound to pass those Laws they brought which the King then wisely did to avoid the Dispute and that England might not take example and insist upon the time here Where we desire that all should be alike subject to the Laws you say nothing thereunto but bring in a consequence of your own from thence altogether forraign from our meaning telling us that our desire tends to have all alike and to destroy all Civil Subordination This is the usual sophistry of the times to blast that which is just and by all good men desirable by scandalizing us with an opinion we as much condemn as your self wise men should decline such foul play as if there were no difference between ●●onomy and Community between all mens being subject alike to the Laws and all mens being alike for order and degree Our desire imports distinction of Conditions since it makes mention of the several degrees we would have equally subjected to the Laws As if a Lord could not be a Lord because he is liable to be arrested or impleaded at Law For shame leave such ridiculous inferrences and see your aptnesse to abuse us which yet we have no reason to advise you to for such weaknesses turn to our advantage You tel us We are not the whole People We easily grant it but all that notwithstanding though we were by many thousands fewer then we are that approve that Petition we hope we have that liberty which we think every single man has to present Petitions to the Legislative power for the alteration addition or substraction of any thing our Laws abound or are defective in And though many haply may dissent from us yet is it lawful for us to desire the foresaid Power to take what we present them into consideration which is not only not unlawful but our duty to which we are obliged by our gratitude and affection to our Country of the welfare whereof every good man ought to be considerative For our seeking Indempnity of the House of Commands for what we have done in order to their Commands and the necessitie of the Service and for the good of the Common-wealth no further we desire