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A country dialogue between William and James, on the monthly fast-day with reflections on the earthquake which lately happened at Jamaica, and here Sept. 8. 1692.
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A Country DIALOGUE BETWEEN William and James ON THE MONTHLY FAST-DAY WITH REFLECTIONS ON THE EARTHQUAKE Which lately happened at Iamaica and Here Sept. 8. 1692. Will. WEll met Jemmy Why was you not at Church to day Jam. I chose the better part Charity I carry'd in a dozen Loads of Wheat the Weather is very uncertain and we must expect Corn will be dear with which I shall be able to relieve my poor Abdicated Neighbours Will. I am sorry you was not there for we had a most heavenly Sermon preached by a Strange Divine Jam. Ay We have very many Strange Divines now-a-days Will. You take me up before I 'm down Jemmy I meant a Stranger Jam. So do I too Strangers to the Orthodox Doctrine of the Church of England Will. You will have your way still I find Before the Sermon our Vicar tickled it off with a godly Prayer made by Bishop B net and the new Archbishop T n and that must be Orthoknocks as you call it I hope Jam New-no Bishop if you will believe St. Cyprian as you may find it in Dr. Stillingfleet's Vnreasonableness of Separation p. 246. His Words are so considerable to our purpose that I will set them down Et cum post primum secundus esse non possit quisque post unum qui 〈◊〉 esse debeat factus est non jam secundus ille sed nullus est Since there cannot be a second after the first whosoever is made Bishop when one is made already who ought to be alone he is not another Bishop but none at all Thou knowest as well as I Billy that Dr. Stilling fleet and Dr. Tillotson were inseparable Waiters at Whitehall and club'd in their Writings Let them reconcile these Words of St. Cyprian even the holy and meek St. Cyprian to their Practices if they can And 't is most earnestly desired that they would club again and solve this Dilemma St. Cyprian's Argument is good against Mr. Baxter ergo 't is so against the new Archbishop of Canterbury for the most Reverend Father in God Dr. Sancroft is still living Will. You are too Book-learn'd for me but I 'll warrant you the Archbishop Til n will satisfie you for he is a very good Christian Jam. Your Warrant I fear will fail in both your Hypothesis's the latter is very much question'd But that we may not be longer Strangers to this strange godly Prayer I pra'ye what was it Will. That God would Bless Preserve and Keep our most Gracious K. William and our most Religious Q. Mary And that he would Defend them against and give them Victory over all their Enemies Jam. What Enemies Did the Parson name them Billy Will. No No But every body knows he meant the Most Christian Turk Lewis the French King and the late King James who would bring into England Popery Slavery and Arbitrary Power But I 'll warrant him for ever returning for the Prayers of the Godly will prevail certainly Ja. The Godly Where dost thou read that God commanded or enjoyn'd Subjects to pray for the Destruction of their lawful King Will. King William and Queen Mary hath commanded it and I am bound in Conscience to obey our King and Queen and they are our lawful Soveraigns I 'm sure I saw them Anointed and Crowned with mine own Eyes Ja. Ay they are the People 's Anointed But did not You and I see King James Anointed and Crown'd too What became of Your Conscience when you Rebell'd against him Ha! Will. I believe by your Talk you did not Fast nor Pray neither to day Ja. Yes I did both but 't was for our Sins particularly those of the deepest Dye Rebellion and King-killing You make an Ahab's Fast for Naboth's Vineyard You have Slander'd the King our Father and his Son nay more Depos'd him and thrust him into a strange Country to starve but God hath rais'd him a Friend in his Extremity and now you Fast and Pray that God would prosper you in your Rebellion and that he would be pleas'd to null the Fifth Eighth Ninth and Tenth Commandments that you may wash your hands and say we 're Innocent Will. No We pray to God to confound the French King and his Devices Jam. Because he preserves our lawful King James If he would banish him as Oliver Cromwell our Prototype formerly gain'd that point then instead of Cursing you would Bless him But God hath given this Monarch a more sublime Soul When we do re-establish K. James on his Throne the glorious K. Lewis will make an advantageous Peace for all Christendom Nothing obstructs a Peace so much as the boundless Ambition of K. W. and poor England is the Ass to bear the Burthen whilst we mount him and raise the Dutch to trample us in the dirt Will. Odsooks say you so The Parson did not say one word of that Jam. No 't is too nice a point to be touch'd but if you will have a little patience and set aside your unreasonable Prejudices I will demonstrate the whole matter to you as concisely and with as much Veracity as I can Know then that this damnable Conspiracy hath been hatching in K. Charles II. time for when they found that good King firm to his Resolution of keeping the Succession in the Right Line and notwithstanding all their Artifices would not pass the Bill of Exclusion but withal advis'd them to make the strictest Bill they could to menacle their Kings in case of a Popish Successor and he would Sign it which was so far from giving them Satisfaction at that time altho so indulgent reasonable and condescending that Shaftsbury was sent into Holland and there founded this horrible Conspiracy and unnatural Rebellion It was not so much to keep out Popery suppress Arbitrary Power and preserve Property Neither of which was in danger in that King's Reign as it is insinuated in all the P. of Orange's Declarations but to alter the Succession and to make the K. of England Elective which they have effected in the P. of Orange designing thereby a Commonwealth when they are able Will. But K. James intended to bring in Popery and govern Arbitrarily by dispensing with our Laws 't is better a Commonwealth than under such a King Jam. To enervate that I was an ocular and an auricular Evidence for K. James the Night before he went to Windsor and then for Salisbury was pleased to express himself at Supper with great Concern for his Kingdoms in these Words with Hands and Eyes lift toward Heaven What would my People have I will call a Parliament that all Grievances may be taken away that Laws may be made to secure their Religion and Property that they may examine strictly into the Birth of the Prince of Wales God forbid that any such Cheat should be put upon the Nation for said our good King darting his Eyes on the Pope's Nuntio clapping his Hand on his Breast I will do as I would be done by for that is the Law
which built the Royal Soveraign a Ship which hath done so much Honour and Service to the English Nation and remains capable to do a great deal more The heat was because the King rais'd it without a Parliament But now a Convention and a Foreign Prince can Dethrone the Lawful King and make a Parliament which gives away almost all the Wealth of the Nation to enrich the Dutch and it goes down glib with us Neither do they so much as enquire how K. William hath perform'd the Prince of Orange's Declarations Will. 'T is true indeed we cannot boast of his Integrity in that But we are freed from Popery that is totally crush'd Jam. And the Church of England too in a great measure which is the only Bulwark against Popery when that Rampart is demolish'd Popery will flow upon us impetuously But we do not see so much Religion to brag of in K. W. Before he came over 't was confidently averr'd that he used to go to Mass and promised the Confederate Popish Princes that he would be kind to the Papists of whom he brought over and continues many thousands in his Army and pays them tho he goes on tick with the English In Scotland he is a Kirksman the Church of England is almost destroyed there In Ireland he would allow of Popery or any thing what the People please to gain that Government In England he is a lukewarm Christian favouring all and truly of no Religion unless Predestination can be call'd Religion Empire is his sole aim and design which he will compass directly or indirectly by Policy Stratagems Dissimulation breach of Promises Protestations and Declarations or by the death of thousands of Soldiers He was earnestly entreated and advised since we Created him King for he was made so out of nothing to decline his precipitate intention of attacking the Enemy because in all probability he would loose 10000 Men before his Army could have equal fighting they being so advantageously Posted What then replyed he so we gain our Point For if we are predestinated to conquer we shall overcome if not we must be beaten O pius Pater Patriae who values not his Subjects Lives and Treasure so he climbs to the top of the Pinacle And to strengthen this Assersion What Popular Acts hath he pass'd since we dub'd him King to recompence all our Bloud and Treasure King James had other Bowels For when his Subjects those whom he had most endear'd had deserted him O English Ingratitude to their Kings he would not venture the remaining Loyalists because they were but an handful to a multitude Oh! call not his Piety cowardise I beseech you Friends and Fellow Subjects 't was true Religion he was truly Religious in his way and only design'd that the Roman Catholicks might have a limited Liberty for their Religion of which His Majesty is a member to be adjusted by Act of Parliament as likewise our Grievances Certainly it had been our Interest to have kept our Old Religion and our Lawful King in his time our Coffers were full and ran over but now they must squeeze to get any thing out of them Will. Odsooks and squeeze very hard let me tell you that they Poll and Poll and Poll every quarter so that I cannot pay my Rent I 'm sure Jam. We are well enough serv'd we brought it on our selves by Abdicating our good Old King and caressing a Petty Prince for whom and our deprav'd fansie we paid the first penny a-lumping-all-to-make-a-penny-worth the sum of 600000 l. Sterling Item In Taxes most part of which is carryed out of the Land never to return again except some Half Crowns which are so Clip'd they hardly weigh 22 d. and yet they do it in Holland openly in their Shops a Crime with all Capital but there a Trade the Taxes are computed at about 20000000 l. Sterling but I do not pretend to be exact because a true account thereof will be published by way of Debtor and Creditor to present to the Houses of Commons next Sessions I shall only advise my Country men to consider that when the Bloud ceases to circulate the Body cannot live Money is the Bloud of the Body-politick that being exhausted no Gold or Silver Mines are in England to repair or replenish it and our Trade is so much impaired that but little Bullion is imported to answer he vast exportation of our Coin 3. When Ships arrive richly laden which is but seldom we have not Money to buy those Commodities if we can cover our Nakedness decently and cheap and put food into our Bellies to sustain nature it is all we can reach to now And when our Merchants have cast up their Accounts of double or treble wages to the Seamen double time in waiting for Convoys c. Treble Insurance Money c. and their Goods laying dead upon their hands with the mighty Losses they have sustained at Sea I hope at last they will be of my opinion that Honesty is the best Policy and Godliness the truest gain and â—hew it too by petitioning the Council now and the Parliament the next Session to bring home our Lawful King 4. The number of Ships taken and lost is computed at 2500 Sail the value of which at 500 l. each Ship a modest computation the cargo included amounts to 4000000 l. not reckoning the Men of War lost Lastly The number of brave Men killed by this dismal change is not easily computed 't is guessed at 100000 but if they could be exactly numbred 't is impossible they should be valued especially their precious Souls Will. Well in the main I am of your mind that we have done a hair-brain-hasty-unadvised-action But now we are in we are obliged to go through for if K. James returns by the Force of France then we shall inevitably be overwhelmed with French-Arbitrary-Power and Slavery be servile to Strangers and Dragoon'd into Popery and we were better continue as we are then we part with a great deal of our Riches then totally to loose our Religion which is dearer to us than our Lives Jam. The ills which I have done cannot be safe but by committing greater said wicked Cataline but Christians have another method Repentance turn ye turn ye from your wicked ways for why will ye dye O house of Israel saith the Lord You say we have done a hair-brain-hasty-action but you mince the matter for we have perpetrated a very wicked and sinful deed Rebellion is as the Sin of Witchcraft saith God 2. You say we must go through c. as above To which I answer King James cannot in prudence endeavour to be re-established in his Kingdoms by a Foreign Force unless we compell him for that way his People would be destroyed his Country laid waste and his Subjects beggar'd and 't is next to a King of Clouts to be King of a debilitated and ruined Nation at the best he could expect to be but a Vice-Roy during pleasure by your bugbear