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A94338	Three speeches spoken at a common-hall, Thursday the 3. of Iuly, 1645. / By Mr. Lisle, Mr. Tate, Mr. Brown, Members of the House of Commons: containing many observations upon the Kings letters, found in his own cabinete at Nasiby fight, and sent to the Parliament by Sir Thomas Fairfax, and read at a common-hall. Published according to order.	Lisle, John, ca. 1610-1664.; Tate, Zouch, 1605 or 6-1650.; Browne, John, ca. 1581-1659.	1645 (1645)	Wing T1121; Thomason E292_29; ESTC R200154	8,274	20

THREE SPEECHES Spoken at a Common-Hall Thursday the 3. of Iuly 1645. BY Mr. Lisle Mr. Tate Mr. Brown Members of the House of COMMONS Containing many Observations upon the Kings LETTERS found in His own Cabinet at Nasiby fight And sent to the Parliament by Sir Thomas Fairfax and Read at a Common-Hall Published according to Order LONDON Printed for Peter Cole at the sign of the Printing-Presse in Cornhill neer the Royall Exchange 1645. Mr. Lisle his Speech MY Lord Major and you worthy Gentlemen of the famous City of London I am commanded by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled to observe to you some Passages out of these Letters which you have heard They are Passages of that nature though it be most happy for this Kingdom and Parliament to know them yet my very heart doth bleed to repeat them The first thing that I shall observe to you is concerning the Kings endeavours to bring Forraign Forces a Forraign Prince with an Army into this Kingdom By his Letters to the Queen which you have heard read he endeavours to hasten the Duke of Lorraine with an Army into England It is well known to the Parliament that the Duke of Lorrain is a Prince highly esteemed at Rome the most complying with Jesuits of any Prince in Christendom and yet the King writes to the Queen to hasten the Duke of Lorrain to come with an Army into England The next thing that I shall observe to you are Endeavours to overthrow the Law of the Land by Power to Repeal the Laws and Stat●tes of this Realm by Force and Arms endeavours by Force and Arms to Repeal all the Statutes of this Kingdom against Papists I shall read a Passage to you which you have already heard out of one of the Kings Letters to the Queen The Letter vvas dated the Fifth of March 1644. I give thee power in my Name to promise that I will take away all the Penall Statutes in England against the Roman Catholikes as soon as God shall enable me to do it so as by their means or in their favours I may have so powerfull assistance as may deserve so great a favour When we consider that the Statutes of this Kingdom against Papists must be taken away by Force when we consider that the Laws of this Kingdom are to be Repealed by Power who cannot but when hee calls to minde the Declarations that have been made to put the Laws in execution against Papists of the Protestations that have been made and have been often made to maintain the Laws of this Kingdom who can chuse but grieve to think of it The third thing Gentlemen that I shall observe to you is concerning the use and the Ends that have been made which you may observe out of these Letters of a Treaty with the Parliament I shall read His Majesties words to you in the Letter of the Fifteenth of February 1645. a Letter to the Queen And be confident that in making peace I shall ever shew my constancy in adhering to Bishops and to all Our friends and not forget to put a short period to this perpetuall Parliament And in His Letter to the Queen of the Ninth of February 1644. there is this Passage Be confident that I will never quit Episcopacy nor the Sword We did all hope that the end of a Treaty had been to settle a happy Peace a firm and a well-grounded Peace but now we see by the Kings Letter that His Resolutions are still to keep the Sword in His own hands We did all hope that the end of a Treaty was to settle Church-government according to the Protestation the Solemn Vow and Covenant which we have all taken But you see by the Kings Letter that He avows it to the Queen that He will never quit Episcopacy We did all hope that the end of a Treaty was rather to confirm the Parliament then to dissolve it but the King sayes in His own Letter that He will not forget at this Treaty to put a short period to this perpetuall Parliament The last thing that I shall observe to you for you will have the rest observed to you by a better hand is concerning the Kings disavowing this Parliament to be the Parliament of England we cannot have any greater assurance of any thing from the King then of this present Parliament there is no Law stronger that gives any property to the Subject then the Law is to continue this present Parliament This is so well known to the world that Kingdoms States abroad acknowledge it and now for the King to disavow it after it is confirmed and continued by Act of Parliament after the King hath so lately acknowledged it now so suddenly to disavow it how can we be more confident of any assurance or Act from his Majesty There be many things more observable in these Letters but I shall leave them to those worthy Gentlemen that come after me Mr. Tate his Speech THe Letters are so full that I shall rather be your remembrancer of what you have heard in them then give you any observations upon them I shall present before you a very sad Spectacle the whole Kingdom of Ireland bleeding a Kingdom all in Peace without any thoughts of War without any thoughts of Arms and of a sudden a Popish party rising up laying hold upon all the Forts Seizing all the Lands and all the goods of the Protestants in Ireland and not content with that when they had done killing one hundred thousand of them man woman and childe These Rebels of Ireland that had thus inhumanely murthered so many Protestants here is the sadnesse Now the Favourites of the King and those Subjects that the King did professe to maintain in maintaining Arms against those Rebels we that by Acts of Parliament of the Kings own Grant had the Irish Rebels Lands and Territories granted to us to maintain a War against them Now because we maintain that War we are Rebels and Traytors and the Irish Rebels because that they stand against you they shall be freed from all penall Laws they shall have any thing that they desire nothing is too dear for them any Laws may be altered for their sakes but when the Protestants come to desire an alteration of Law for the advancement of the Protestant Religion and for the settlement of the Protestants nothing can be granted to them by a Protestant King but every thing to the Irish I shall say but a word more and pray consider of it The condition why all this is granted to the Irish and denied to you it is only this That the Irish may come over into England to cut your throats as they cut the throats of all the Irish Protestants in Ireland this is the cause for which they are encouraged to come hither if there be such a reward for Treachery if there be such a fruit of the Protestations of the King what can we expect All I have to say is

you see you must stand to your Armes and defend your selves for there is no hopes for you unlesse you can submit your necks to the Queen and be transformed into Irish Rebels and Papists I know not how you can obtain any favour at Court especially having such a Mediator as you have a Parliament that is so hated by this King as long as that mediates for you you shall have nothing but if you can have a Popish Catholique Queen to sollicite in your behalf you shall have any thing I know you are too much Englishmen and Protestants to submit to such base conditions therefore lay aside all divisions and unite your selves in this Cause that you may be Masters of the Popish party that otherwise will kill you all Mr Browne his Speech MY Lord Mayor and you worthy Citizens of the City of London I shall not trouble you to repeat any of the Letters that you have heard read I doubt not but you that heard them do remember most of them only this I will say to you That for my part I know not whether we have more cause of joy or sorrow for this which this day you have heard Cause I know we have to be sorrowfull that things are so ill with us as they are and I am sure we have cause to rejoyce that things are now discovered and brought to light that have been so long hid in darknesse This day is a day of discovery heretofore those that spak those things that you have herad this day manifested unto you were accounted the Malignant partee they were termed Rebels they were suspitious jealous people without cause The Lords and Commons in Parliament they have heretofore declared their fears of the things that you see now proved Answers have been given to those fears with slights and scornes Things are this day discovered to you that were enjoyned to be kept secret by the strongest engagements the goodnesse of God giving successe to our Armie hath brought these things to light Before his Majesty departed from the Parliament the Lords and Commons by a Petition to him did present unto him their fears occasioned by the favouring of ●●●●sants their fears that he would bring in forraign Forces that he would change and alter the Laws they gave him their Reasons for all but he was pleased to give his Answer with denying all as they affirmed all For that of Forraign Forces because he gave a punctuall Answer to that I will tell you what it was When they told him that they were informed that the Popes Nuncio did deal with the French and Spanish Kings to send to him 4000. men a peece the King did Answer to them That it was improbable in it selfe and scandalous to him for which he desired reparation at their hands And at another time he Answers that very point concerning Forraign Forces positively and saith No sober nor honest man can beleeve that We are so desperate or so sencelesse they are his very words to entertain such a designe As to bring in Forraigne Forces which would not onely bury this Our Kingdome in distraction and ruine but Our owne Name and Posterity in perpetuall scorne and infamy You have heard what hath been said for that you have heard his own Letters how he deals with the Queen and how pressing he is with her to bring into this Kingdome the Duke of Lorraigne with his Army the Duke of Lorraigne you know is a Catholike Popish Forraigne Prince So you see how much he is altered from what he thought then and how his endeavours are now that both honest men and sober men may beleeve that hee would do it because he writes to her with such earnestnesse to pray her to do it for him For their fears of his making war against the Parliament of his alteration of Religion and Laws 〈◊〉 hath heretofore in his Printed Declaration expressed these words We do again in the presence of Almighty making war against the Parliament then against our own children that we will maintain and observe the Asts assented to by Vs this Parliament without violation and that we have not nor shall not have any thought of using of any force unlesse we shall be driven to it for the security of Our person and for the defence of the Religion Laws and Liberties of the Kingdome and the just Rights and Priviledges of Parliament And in another of his Printed Declarations he hath said God so deal with me and mine as my thoughts and intentions are upright for the the maintenance of the true Protes●ant Religion and for observation and preservation of the Laws of the Land And in another Declaration he saith That He is resolved not onely duely to observe the Laws himselfe but to maintain them against what opposition soever though with the hazard of his being And in his Declaration concerning his resolution to go into Ireland which is also Printed he calls God to witnesse the sincerity of his professions there made with this assurance That his Majesty will never consent upon what pretence soever to a toleration of the Popish profession there or the abolition of the Laws now in force against Popish Recusants in that Kingdome What could his Majesty have said more to satisfie his people Now compare his actions with his Declarations and compare his Letters to the Queen with his promise and protestations to the Parliament and you will say Quantum mutatus how much is his Majesty changed All that we have heard read we may divide into three parts The first concernes the Letters Propositions and transactions concerning Ireland The second the Letters from the Queen to the King The third Letters from the King to the Queene Concerning Ireland you have heard the Propositions made to the Queen for fending into this Kingdome diverse Irish Rebels under the Command of two professed Papists 6000. of them were to be under the Command of the Lord Glamorgan the Earl of Worcesters eldest son the other of 10000. under the command of Colonell Fitz Williams the terms that they were to come upon were read to you in the Propositions which themselves sent to the Queen You will not think that these came to maintain the Laws but to destroy them not to maintain the Protestant Religion but to overthrow it these Propositions being sent to the Queene and allowed by her and she sent them to the King For the Letters concerning Ireland they were written by the King to the Earl of Ormond who is now Governourthere in some of them Letters the King gives way to the suspending of Poynings Law I which was an Act of Parliament in the 10. year of Henry the 7. it was called Poynings Lavv because Sir Edvvard Poynings vvas Governour of Ireland vvhen that Lavv vvas made that Lavv made all Statutes that vvere before made in England of force in Ireland and the King may as vvell suspend all the Lavvs there as that Lavv by that Lavv of Poynings all Lavvs