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A86506 A vindication of baptizing beleevers infants. In some animadversions upon Mr. Tombes his Exercitations about infant baptisme; as also upon his Examen, as touching the antiquities and authors by him alledged or contradicted that concern the same. Humbly submitted to the judgement of all candid Christians, / by Nathanael Homes. Published according to order. Homes, Nathanael, 1599-1678. 1646 (1646) Wing H2578; Thomason E324_1; ESTC R200604 209,591 247

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learned_a man_n render_v it_o no_o more_o but_o teach_v and_o so_o the_o syriack_n and_o arabic_a translation_n afore_o translation_n in_o the_o best_a translation_n of_o the_o french_a
in_o the_o church_n before_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o eucharist_n be_v a_o human-invention_n follow_v upon_o infant_n baptism_n we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la 1_o that_o m._n t._n all_o this_o while_n have_v contend_v that_o examination_n and_o confession_n before_o baptism_n and_o consequent_o afore_o the_o communion_n be_v a_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n how_o then_o say_v m._n t._n now_o that_o they_o be_v human-invention_n 2_o if_o subscription_n be_v add_v it_o be_v but_o a_o visible_a or_o legible_a profession_n and_o not_o so_o dangerous_a as_o minister_n subscription_n have_v be_v in_o the_o prelate_n time_n though_o some_o have_v have_v the_o mercy_n out_o of_o the_o university_n to_o subscribe_v with_o their_o own_o condition_n 3_o that_o there_o be_v mention_n in_o isay_n 44.5_o that_o one_o shall_v call_v himself_o by_o the_o name_n of_o jacob_n and_o another_o shall_v subscribe_v with_o his_o hand_n unto_o the_o lord_n and_o surname_n himself_o by_o the_o name_n of_o israel_n so_o that_o to_o subscribe_v to_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n profess_v in_o a_o church_n to_o be_v call_v a_o member_n of_o the_o same_o be_v no_o such_o scripturelesse_a human_a invention_n as_o m._n t._n will_v make_v of_o it_o to_o m._n t._n his_o fourth-particular_a that_o the_o church_n covenant_n exercitat_fw-la exercitat_fw-la yea_o as_o set_v forth_o in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o church_n of_o new_a england_n call_v church_n covenant_n be_v a_o human-invention_n devise_v to_o supply_v the_o place_n of_o baptism_n we_o answer_v we_o will_v not_o say_v that_o this_o be_v cynical_o but_o we_o will_v say_v it_o be_v bold_o speak_v by_o one_o man_n animad_fw-la animad_fw-la so_o to_o censure_v so_o many_o brave_a man_n for_o learning_n godliness_n conscience_n and_o suffering_n for_o 1_o we_o quaere_fw-la whether_o m._n t._n do_v think_v the_o late_a nationall_n covenant_n to_o be_v a_o mere_a human-invention_n if_o not_o let_v he_o be_v moderate_a in_o his_o opinion_n of_o church_n covenant_n 2_o we_o assert_v that_o whatsoever_o ingenuous_a and_o understand_a reader_n shall_v peruse_v the_o book_n call_v the_o church_n covenant_n will_v find_v it_o strong_a for_o a_o church_n covenant_n then_o m._n t._n his_o treatise_n for_o the_o anabaptist_n way_n of_o baptise_v 3_o we_o put_v m._n t._n in_o mind_n that_o all_o relation_n except_o natural_a be_v found_v upon_o mutual_a covenant_n and_o agreement_n as_o between_o husband_n and_o wife_n master_n and_o servant_n amp_n c._n therefore_o that_o between_o pastor_n and_o flock_n 4_o that_o baptism_n exhibit_v one_o to_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o universal_a visible_a church_n now_o on_o earth_n do_v not_o make_v he_o to_o belong_v peculiar_o to_o my_o flock_n discipline_n flock_n see_v before_o in_o the_o former_a chapter_n touch_v fault_n in_o discipline_n that_o be_v bind_v in_o scripture_n duty_n to_o i_o or_o i_o to_o be_v a_o pastor_n and_o bind_v in_o conscience_n of_o pastoral_n duty_n to_o he_o 5_o in_o that_o see_v some_o particular_a express_a intimation_n there_o must_v be_v see_v we_o have_v not_o the_o intellectual_a communication_n of_o angel_n that_o he_o or_o she_o be_v of_o my_o flock_n and_o i_o their_o pastor_n what_o can_v m._n t._n find_v out_o to_o effect_v this_o if_o he_o lie_v aside_o all_o covenantall_n expression_n 6_o if_o the_o church_n covenant_n be_v compose_v by_o man_n as_o those_o of_o marriage_n servantship_n etc._n etc._n be_v yet_o all_o divine_a duty_n may_v follow_v upon_o this_o as_o upon_o they_o by_o divine_a imposition_n chap._n xvii_o to_o the_o 1_o and_o 2_o particular_n in_o the_o minor_a of_o m._n t._n his_o seven_o argument_n of_o error_n occasion_v by_o infant_n baptism_n 20._o exercit._fw-la §_o 20._o as_o that_o baptism_n confer_v grace_n by_o the_o work_n do_v that_o baptism_n be_v regeneration_n we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la 1_o m.t._n in_o all_o his_o allegation_n of_o antiquity_n or_o other_o that_o be_v orthodox_n in_o the_o main_n have_v not_o to_o our_o knowledge_n produce_v any_o such_o expression_n as_o that_o popish_a one_o that_o baptism_n confer_v grace_n by_o the_o work_n do_v 2_o that_o we_o have_v produce_v place_n of_o best_a antiquity_n that_o express_o tell_v we_o that_o their_o meaning_n be_v that_o we_o shall_v not_o in_o deny_v baptism_n to_o infant_n as_o much_o as_o in_o we_o lie_v hinder_v their_o salvation_n cyprian_a salvation_n see_v before_o out_o of_o cyprian_a three_o that_o ancient_n do_v call_v baptism_n regeneration_n be_v no_o more_o than_o to_o speak_v scripture_n phrase_n point_n phrase_n which_o place_n the_o ancient_n oft_o quote_v in_o that_o point_n john_n 3.5_o titus_n 3.5_o four_o that_o the_o ancient_n do_v not_o think_v baptism_n do_v profit_n all_o baptize_v person_n donatistas_n person_n lib._n 4._o contra_fw-la donatistas_n augustine_n say_v what_o profit_v the_o sacrament_n to_o they_o that_o receive_v it_o unless_o they_o be_v inward_o change_v and_o blame_v some_o in_o his_o time_n say_v what_o profit_v the_o sacrament_n to_o they_o that_o receive_v it_o unless_o they_o be_v inward_o change_v and_o blame_v some_o in_o his_o time_n say_v spem_fw-la baptiz_n andorum_fw-la auferunt_fw-la à_fw-la domino_fw-la deo_fw-la &_o in_o homine_fw-la ponendam_fw-la esse_fw-la persuadent_fw-la that_o be_v they_o take_v off_o the_o baptize_v from_o their_o hope_n in_o god_n and_o persuade_v they_o to_o place_v it_o in_o man_n to_o m.t._n his_o three_o particular_a thence_o exercit._n exercit._n that_o infant_n die_v be_v save_v by_o the_o faith_n of_o their_o parent_n we_o reply_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la 1_o how_o do_v this_o agree_v with_o the_o former_a assertion_n that_o we_o hold_v baptism_n confer_v grace_n ex●pere_fw-fr ●perato_fw-mi by_o the_o work_n do_v 2_o where_o in_o approve_a antiquity_n or_o late_a protestant_a writer_n be_v any_o such_o expression_n we_o say_v upon_o very_o good_a scripture_n urge_v afore_o that_o a_o child_n of_o a_o believe_a parent_n be_v to_o be_v reckon_v within_o the_o covenant_n by_o virtue_n of_o that_o parent_n faith_n but_o to_o pronounce_v he_o to_o be_v save_v thereby_o be_v a_o doctrine_n unknown_a to_o we_o for_o those_o expression_n of_o m.t._n annex_v to_o his_o three_o particular_a put_v upon_o we_o as_o that_o infant_n be_v save_v by_o the_o faith_n of_o surety_n of_o the_o church_n receive_v into_o her_o lap_n we_o desire_v they_o may_v be_v carry_v back_o to_o rome_n whence_o they_o be_v bring_v the_o dispute_n now_o be_v not_o between_o papist_n and_o protestant_n to_o m_o t._n his_o four_o particular_a in_o that_o argument_n exercitat_fw-la exercitat_fw-la that_o some_o regenerate_a person_n may_v fall_v from_o grace_n we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la that_o neither_o be_v the_o dispute_n between_o prelaticall-erring-time-serving-vassal_n and_o we_o have_v therefore_o these_o thing_n away_o to_o the_o prelatical_a arminian_o and_o their_o state-serving-complyants_a chap._n xviii_o to_o m.t._n his_o first_o particular_a of_o his_o minor_a in_o his_o eight_o argument_n exercitat_fw-la exercitat_fw-la that_o infant-baptisme_n have_v occasion_v private_a baptism_n we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la if_o m.t._n mean_v private_a in_o regard_n of_o place_n for_o we_o never_o know_v of_o difference_n of_o form_n as_o that_o which_o be_v do_v in_o a_o dwell_a house_n we_o demand_v what_o danger_n or_o derogation_n be_v there_o in_o that_o more_o than_o in_o that_o which_o be_v common_o call_v a_o church_n or_o 2_o that_o baptism_n which_o be_v not_o do_v in_o a_o river_n we_o demand_v whether_o baptism_n in_o a_o dwell_a house_n or_o in_o a_o meeting_n place_n in_o the_o company_n of_o 40_o or_o 50_o be_v not_o as_o public_a as_o when_o two_o or_o three_o steal_n to_o a_o river_n side_n in_o some_o uncouth_a and_o unfrequented_a place_n yea_o and_o as_o well_o do_v in_o the_o say_a house_n as_o there_o as_o to_o the_o question_n now_o in_o hand_n of_o private_a or_o not_o private_a to_o m.t._n his_o second_o particular_a of_o baptism_n by_o woman_n exercitat_fw-la exercitat_fw-la occasion_v by_o infant_n baptism_n we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la 1_o we_o know_v no_o such_o thing_n to_o have_v be_v allow_v in_o the_o protestant_a church_n since_o luther_n time_n 2_o for_o ancient_a time_n before_o the_o invasion_n of_o gross_a popery_n into_o the_o world_n bin._n bin._n the_o four_o council_n of_o carthage_n ca._n 10._o command_n mulier_fw-la baptizare_fw-la non_fw-la pr●sumat_fw-la that_o be_v let_v not_o woman_n presume_v to_o baptize_v so_o that_o if_o a_o overforward_a midwife_n or_o matron_n presume_v to_o baptize_v upon_o the_o example_n of_o that_o bold_a woman_n zippora_fw-la circumcise_n her_o son_n she_o have_v by_o moses_n yet_o this_o be_v not_o allow_v by_o the_o orthodox_n church_n to_o the_o three_o particular_a exercitat_fw-la exercitat_fw-la of_o baptise_v child_n before_o they_o be_v bring_v into_o light_n we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la we_o