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A82002 A sober and temperate discourse, concerning the interest of words in prayer, the just antiquity and pedigree of liturgies, or forms of prayer in churches : with a view of the state of the church, when they were first composed, or imposed. Together with a discovery of the weakness of the grounds upon which they were first brought in, or upon which Bishop Gawden hath lately discoursed, the necessity of a liturgie, or the inconveniency of altering the English liturgie, the utility of church musick, and the lawfulness of ceremonies : in which are mixed reasons justifying those godly ministers, who forbear the use of the Common-prayer, against the late out-cryes of the said bishop. / By H.D. M.A. H. D. (Henry Dawbeny); Collinges, John, 1623-1690, attributed name. 1661 (1661) Wing D449; Thomason E1086_14; ESTC R208152 100,305 119

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unblameableness_n of_o it_o signify_v as_o little_a for_o it_o be_v unblamable_a enough_o as_o a_o form_n universal_o impose_v 2._o as_o former_o use_v in_o a_o idolatrous_a service_n and_o for_o many_o thing_n which_o he_o never_o so_o much_o as_o endeavour_n to_o vindicate_v it_o from_o though_o tell_v he_o of_o old_a by_o mr._n cartwright_n unmask_v v._o the_o common-prayer_n book_n unmask_v the_o abridgement_n more_o late_o by_o the_o book_n call_v necessity_n of_o reformation_n by_o vavasor_n powel_n etc._n etc._n beside_o for_o what_o he_o speak_v to_o as_o to_o the_o point_n of_o baptismal_a regeneration_n it_o be_v so_o without_o foundation_n in_o scripture_n for_o all_o know_v those_o two_o text_n 3_o jo._n 5._o and_o in_o titus_n have_v other_o and_o better_a sense_n liturgy_n v._o the_o parallel_n between_o the_o mass-book_n and_o the_o liturgy_n so_o contrary_a to_o the_o analogy_n of_o faith_n in_o the_o point_n of_o justification_n perseverance_n in_o grace_n etc._n etc._n and_o the_o dr._n have_v say_v so_o little_a to_o ●lear_v it_o that_o those_o exception_n will_v yet_o stand_v good_a so_o will_v that_o as_o to_o the_o translation_n of_o the_o text_n in_o ezech._n for_o none_o be_v so_o simple_a to_o assert_v that_o we_o can_v as_o infallible_o give_v the_o sense_n of_o a_o text_n and_o put_v it_o in_o other_o word_n with_o our_o addition_n as_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n and_o sure_o we_o be_v the_o text_n in_o ezech._n in_o the_o letter_n of_o it_o speak_v no_o such_o thing_n as_o our_o liturgy_n make_v it_o to_o speak_v ix_o for_o what_o he_o urge_v as_o to_o the_o disorder_n and_o confusion_n in_o our_o church_n since_o the_o disuse_n of_o the_o liturgy_n which_o he_o much_o comment_n upon_o p._n 7_o 18_o 40._o it_o be_v no_o argument_n to_o evince_v the_o necessity_n