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A63346	A true account of the whole proceedings betwixt His Grace James Duke of Ormond, and the Right Honor. Arthur, Earl of Anglesey, late Lord Privy-Seal, before the King and Council and the said Earls letter of the second of August to His Majesty on that occasion : with a letter of the now Lord Bishop of Winchester's to the said Earl, of the means to keep out popery, and the only effectual expedient to hinder the growth thereof, and to secure both the Church of England, and the Presbiterian party.	Ormonde, James Butler, Duke of, 1610-1688.; Anglesey, Arthur Annesley, Earl of, 1614-1686.; Morley, George, 1597-1684.	1682 (1682)	Wing T2408; ESTC R24643	20,676	35

to think I have but thanks be to God our Church wants not those that have and can and will Answer all that hath been or is or can be objected against her or any of the Doctrines which in opposition to the Church of Rome are professed by her neither do I know any one Book or any one Argument worth the taking notice of written or urged by any Romanist for them or against us in any material point of Difference betwixt us that hath not been clearly and fully Answered over and over again by some or other of our own Church of England to say nothing of those Eminently Learned and Pious Divines of the other Reformed Protestant Churches beyond the Seas so that to Answer every impertinent Pamphlet that comes forth which hath nothing but what hath been so often Answered before in it is but Actum agere stultus labor ineptiarum and therefore the Wiseman that bids us for bids us too to Answer a Fool in his folly his meaning is that after we have Answered him once we should Answer him no more especially such Kind of fools quos non persuadebis etiamsi persua●eris and such are all those who contend for Interest and not for truth Demetrius will hold his Conclusion that Diana is a Goddess as long as he hath nothing to live by but the making of Shrines but is there then nothing to be done will you say to keep out Popery now it seems to be flowing in upon us yes no doubt there is and I hope there will be when His Majesty shall see a Convenient time for it but it will not be done when it is done by writing or answering of Books pro and con of which there will never be an end But how is it to be done then I answer viderint illi qui ad Clavum sedent let them look to it who sit at the helm I am ready to obey whatsoever I shall be Commanded to that purpose as far as my Conscience will permit and I thank God I have done so both formerly and in my late visitation of my whole Diocess which perhaps you may have heard of little to my Credit if the Pseudo-Catholicks have informed you of it but I care not what they or any other Hereticks or Schismaticks do or can say of me as long as I do that and no more then what my Duty to God and the King and the Place I hold in the Church requires of me You know what I was for in the late Sessions of Parliament I mean not a comprehension but a Coalition or Incorporation of the Presbiterian Party into the Church as it is by Law Established and I am still of the same opinion that it is the one only effectual Expedient to hinder the growth of Popery and to secure both parties and I am very Confident that there are no Presbiterians in the World the Scotch only Excepted that would not Conform to all that is Required by our Church especially in such a Juncture of time as this is which is all I have to say as to that particular at this distance My Lord the visit your Son made me I took for a great Honor and favor from him especially considering how much good I have heard of him which I hope will Increase every day more and more in him that the succeeding age may be the better for him My Lord I am Your Lordships very humble Servant Geor. Winton Farnham Castle July 4th 1672. Directed For the Right honorable the Earl of Anglesey FINIS The Reader is desired to amend or pass by the Errors of the Press E Castlehav Memoirs p. 12. Pref. to the Memoirs P. 51. P. 33.

about October 1680. one was sent to his Lordship taking Notice thereof and asking him what he had done with the said Letter who then Confessed he had lent it to a Friend but he would recover it again The Letter being thus Printed the Duke of Ormond had soon sight of it for in his Letter to the Earl of Anglesey of November the 12th 1681. he takes Notice that he had seen it a Year before and writes his Pleasure of it so Satirically that the said Earl returned his Answer of the 7th of October following which the said Duke takes Notice of in his said Representation though he never before acknowledged the Receipt thereof nor was pleased to make any Reply to it though it gave him sufficient occasion thus when the said Earl expected a Reply things stood till the said Complaint made to your Majesty which he humbly submits whether it be fit to be received or proceeded upon in Council after so open a litigation thereof in Print wherein the said Duke had appealed to the People and accused the Earl with as much Acrimony as it was possible for the Duke 's sharp Pen to do it being as the said Earl conceives below the dignity of Your Majesty and the Board after the Duke has proceeded so far in a private Quarrel of his own making without Success and that those the Duke had appealed to seemed generally satisfied that the Earl had fully Vindicated himself from the Aspersions laid upon him by the Duke 's said Letter for your Majesty to be Addressed to so late and in a Cause so concluded wherein the Earl had justified himself in the method the Duke himself lead him and is ready to proceed further so to do if the Duke shall please to Reply in maintenance of his Printed Charge However the Earl not knowing what course in this Affair will be pursued or directed saith that he doth not disown the Book mentioned in the Duke's Representation so far as he hath acknowledg'd the same in a Letter written by him to the said Duke But denies that in the said Book or Letter there are divers or any passages and expressions which are not only untrue but reflecting in a lugh degree upon his Late Majesties Government and particularly in Relation to the Rebellion and War in Ireland and to the several Cessations and Peaces made by his and your Majesties Authority and Command which the said Earl hath formerly intimated in writing to the said Duke in Answer to a Letter of his insinuating the same thing and urging for particulars which the said Earl could never yet obtain The said Earl is no further charged with malitiously calumniating and aspersing the said Duke and insinuating several particulars to that purpose but the passages in the said Books of that import are still reserved and not thought fit by the said Duke to be expressed so as the Earl may know what or how to Answer And the said Duke is not ignorant that malitious Calumny or Scandal against so great a Person as the Duke of Ormond is severely punishable by Law What to say more herein the said Earl knows not till the Duke gives more clear and particular occasion Whosever shall take Notice of what the Duke Asserts of his and the Earls free Converse and Friendship for above twenty years and which the Earl adds and the Duke cannot forget the real and adventurous friendship with the Earl hath ingaged in with and for the Duke he cannot but wonder as others do that they are so easily cancell'd and turned into rancor and ill returns without demonstrating a change in the Earl which may satisfie inquiring men the Duke hath a Cause For else it seems wonderful and past belief to intelligent men that the Earl who professeth that he bears Malice to no Person living nor ever had quarrel with any man that counts it his great misfortune in his Old Age when he was preparing to go to his Grave in Peace and in perfect Charity with all men he should be Attacqued by one who hath professed friendship to him above these twenty years and as he finds by Letters and otherwise was intimatly a friend to his Father As it is miraculous to the same degree that the Earl in his circumstances should willingly be drawn into controversie with so great and fortunate a man and so antient a friend as the Duke of Ormond But since it hath been the Dukes pleasure or humor so violently and so many ways to assault the Earl he must not take it ill that he cannot bear wounds patiently and without just resentment The Duke complains further that in the course of above twenty years free and friendly acquaintance and correspondence with him the Earl never thought fit to give him any intimation of his intent to write a History of the Wars of Ireland and other Transactions there The said Earl cannot recollect with certainty whether he did or no but he very well remembreth that many years ago he acquainted Sir George Lane then the Duke's Secretary and now Viscount of Lanesborrow and who told him he had the custody of all the Duke's Papers and Writings of publick Affairs with his intended History of Ireland who promised him the assistance of them but he could never yet obtain any from him Nor from the Duke himself since he made a free offer and promise of them by his Letter of the 12th of November threatning to appeal from the Earl as a partially ingag'd and unfaithful Historian if he accepted them not he being as he wrote more desirous to prevent than rectifie Errors and mistakes The Earl having this noble encouragement from so great a person and who was to make so great a part of it to proceed in his History by his Letter of the Seventh of October acknowledged and accepted the Duke's favour expecting the performance thereof but never heard since from the Duke till by his Representation to your Majesty wherein he seems to forget or retract all that had passed tho' the Earl had given him all the Assurance a man of honour could do that he would be exactly faithful and impartial in the History and now shews that he is unwilling any History should be written by the Earl whose candor and impartiality he will yet allow to be but pretended and therefore proposeth that your Majesty will prevent the Credit which they his great place and supposed knowledge especially in the Affair of Ireland may give to his Writings in these and future times never considering that himself hath greater Places Yet the Earl doth not apprehend their giving Credit to any thing the Duke hath or shall write against the Truth which the Earl is resolved to tye himself strictly and authentically to if he be suffered to go on and not discouraged in his Design with which he intended to close his Labours in this Life for the good of England and the Safety of that poor Kingdom of Ireland harrassed by Rebellions and

Massacres and which must expect and undergo more still preparing unless prevented by wise Councils here upon the warnings that a true Account of former times and failings may give us And since the Earl hath been versed above forty years in publick Affairs without blemish or dishonour and intends by your Majesties permission to Dedicate his History to your Self which sure he would not be so weak as to offer if any thing were to be in it of the nature the Duke presageth the Earl therefore hopes the Duke may at least trust your Majesties wisdom with the publishing of what you shall have the perusal of if you shall judge it worth your reading before it go to the Press being intended both for the Honour of the Late King and of your Majesty and not to gratisie any private humor or party or to disguise or cover the Errors or Miscarriages of any Subject whatsoever As to the Duke's Reflection that the Earl chose rather to seek for Information from the Earl of Castlehaven than from him the contrary doth appear ever since the Earl had any hopes given him of the Duke's Assistance with such Authentick instruments and writings as may contribute to the History which the Earl cannot but yet expect and he never desired other informations from the said Earl of Castlehaven than in the Military Actions wherein the Duke employed him as a General and never thought of making other use of them than as they concur'd with clear'd and confirm'd the true Account the Earl was possessed of in those Affairs before As to the Duke's insinuating where he mentions the War of Ireland and other Transactions there wherein they had both a great part that they were of opposite Parties since he accounts it serviceable to his design of aggravating to the utmost against the Earl the occasion is willingly imbraced to give your Majesty a brief and true Information of the part the Earl had both in Ireland and England in the late unhappy Time The Earl was under the Authority his Late Majesty had entrusted both Houses of Parliament with for Ordering and Governing the Affairs in Ireland after the horrid Rebellion begun instrumental there to preserve the Brittish and Protestant Interest Countries and Garrisons from being swallowed up by Owen Oneill's Barbarous Army or falling into the Bloody Irish Hands He also held Correspondence with and offer'd Assistance to the then Marquess of Ormond to Preserve the English and save the City of Dublin and other English Garrisons and Quarters from the Treacherous Irish who broke all Faith with the Marquess He likewise sent to the Marquess the Late King's Majesties positive Prohibition in Writing against making any Peace or having at all further dealing with the Irish and used his most earnest persuasions herein foreseeing it would be destructive to the English and mischievous to the Late King and still offer'd Assistance to the Marquess to encourage him in vigorous opposing the Irish and to enable him to disappoint their Treachery and the Consequence of their Faith-breaking The said Earl after the Peace notwithstanding made with the Irish Confederate Rebells and their Shameful and Treacherous Breach of it with design and endeavor to Surprize the Marquess and all the English Garrisons in Lemster and after they had so handled their business as to get the Commissioners of Parliament which were Arrived at Dublin by the Marquesses invitation to receive the City of Dublin and all other Garrisons and Strengths under his Command and secure them against the Irish for which end they had brought Forces Shipping Provisions and Ammunition of all sorts with them to be rejected and sent away by the Marquess He upon a second Invitation of the Marquess to the Parliament upon the Irish Rebells continued Breaches and Treacheries went again for Ireland after he had used all his Interest to persuade them to send again though they were very unwilling and it was much opposed by reason of the former unexpected disappointment And was the chief employed in Commission from the Parliament with an Army of Horse and Foot furnished with all things necessary to deliver the Marquess and English from the Irish Treacheries and Designs and to receive the City of Dublin and other Garrisons into the Parliaments Custody who were trusted and able to preserve the same for the Crown if we could agree upon Articles for that purpose which by the Blessing of God the Earl did to the Marquess and the late Lord Chancellour Eustace whom the Marquess chiefly Trusted therein to their great Satisfaction as well as his own and the English and Protestants and after He and the rest of the Commissioners had received the City of Dublin and other Garrisons and Conveyed the Marquess with the Honor due to his Quality to the Sea side to take Shipping for England as the Articles gave Leave and had spent some time to lay the Foundations which after happily succeeded for the total Reduction of the Irish and breaking their Cursed Confederacy and Power for Treachery and Final Subduing them to the Crown of England with the Forfeiture of all their Estates for the Satisfaction of Adventurers and Soldiers and the vast Encrease of the Revenue of the Crown The Earl returned for England as he had Leave to do before he went where by his Interest in Parliament he secured to the Marquess the Thirteen Thousand Pounds c. Agreed by the Articles for the Surrender of Dublin c. to be paid to him though much endeavour was used by the Lady Vicountess Moore and others upon legal pretences to deprive him of it So that he lost not one Penny of it and then the said Marquess thought and held the said Earl his Real Friend and a punctual Performer of Publick Faith In England the Earl's part was as followeth To preserve the Church in its Legal Establishment to the last to desend the King and the Laws against Usurpation and Arbitrary Government to adventure his Estate and Life to save His from Execrable Murder and never to sit still till he and his Friends His Late Majesties and Your Faithful Subjects had compassed Your Majesties Happy Restauration with the apparent and imminent hazard of their Lives whereof the said Duke had vast benefits without danger Now if the Duke will give the Earl information of his part as an opposite Party in the said Transactions he promiseth they shall not want their due place and regard in History when all done by both shall be truly and exactly Recorded The Earl doth not know what the Duke means by saying That at least while the Lord Privy-Seal and he have the Honor to be of your Majesties Privy-Council and in the Stations they are it will not be fit for him to publish such an Answer to the Lord Privy-Seal's Book and Letter as might otherwise be necessary in Vindication of Truth unless he would insinuate it fit for the Earl to be displaced to make room for that long threaten'd Answer that