use_v as_o a_o mean_n to_o get_v money_n 5._o by_o these_o indulgence_n man_n be_v hinder_v from_o a_o true_a repentance_n for_o they_o pretend_v to_o release_v man_n by_o they_o both_o from_o sin_n and_o punishment_n at_o least_o the_o people_n be_v suffer_v to_o think_v so_o if_o they_o do_v but_o say_v so_o many_o prayer_n or_o go_v in_o pilgrimage_n to_o such_o a_o place_n or_o fast_o so_o many_o day_n from_o some_o kind_n of_o meat_n or_o give_v a_o large_a sum_n of_o money_n for_o the_o build_n of_o a_o church_n or_o go_v to_o war_n against_o infidel_n etc._n etc._n quest._n 15._o why_o do_v not_o you_o think_v auricular_a confession_n to_o a_o priest_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n here_o you_o must_v note_n that_o we_o be_v not_o against_o confession_n in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n nay_o our_o church_n press_v it_o both_o public_a and_o private_a to_o god_n and_o confession_n to_o a_o pious_a and_o able_a minister_n if_o the_o conscience_n be_v burden_v and_o upon_o a_o 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charge_v the_o thessalonian_n to_o take_v care_n that_o his_o epistle_n be_v read_v to_o all_o the_o holy_a brethren_n 1_o thess._n 5._o 27._o 5._o in_o the_o jewish_a church_n every_o family_n be_v to_o have_v the_o law_n in_o their_o house_n and_o to_o teach_v it_o their_o child_n diligent_o deut._n 6._o 7._o 6._o the_o pretence_n of_o the_o obscurity_n of_o the_o scripture_n in_o many_o place_n be_v insignificant_a since_o the_o scripture_n be_v plain_a enough_o in_o thing_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n 7._o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o forbid_v the_o bible_n to_o the_o laity_n discover_v her_o fear_n and_o the_o weakness_n of_o her_o cause_n lest_o the_o people_n shall_v see_v her_o error_n and_o forsake_v she_o quest._n 22._o why_o do_v not_o you_o believe_v that_o the_o book_n call_v apocrypha_fw-la be_v canonical_a scripture_n answ._n 1._o because_o the_o oracle_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v deliver_v to_o the_o jewish_a church_n rom._n 3._o 2._o and_o these_o be_v 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