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form_n for_o than_o it_o must_v be_v either_o because_o every_o form_n be_v idolatrous_a or_o that_o this_o form_n be_v especial_o so_o or_o because_o it_o be_v prescribe_v and_o impose_v the_o first_o of_o these_o be_v affirm_v by_o the_o angry_a author_n of_o the_o antidote_n to_o mr._n baxter_n cure_n pag._n 11._o who_o say_v we_o do_v not_o think_v any_o thing_n to_o be_v idolatry_n because_o it_o have_v something_o in_o it_o to_o be_v amend_v but_o because_o it_o be_v use_v in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n without_o any_o command_n from_o god_n to_o make_v it_o lawful_a and_o this_o we_o must_v tell_v our_o dictator_n be_v a_o species_n of_o idolatry_n and_o forbid_v in_o the_o second_o commandment_n but_o this_o author_n have_v wary_o decline_v the_o main_a argument_n which_o mr._n baxter_n insist_v upon_o three_o page_n before_o and_o fall_v upon_o the_o rear_n and_o pick_v up_o a_o accidental_a expression_n for_o you_o will_v find_v he_o pag._n 190._o of_o his_o cure_n to_o 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