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A93887 Zerubbabel to Sanballat and Tobiah: or, The first part of the duply to M.S. alias Two brethren. By Adam Steuart. Whereunto is added, the judgement of the reformed churches of France, Switzerland, Geneva, &c. concerning independants, who condemne them with an unanimous consent. Published by David Steuart. March 17. 1644. Imprimatur Ja: Cranford.; Duply to M.S. alias Two brethren. Part 1 Steuart, Adam.; Steuart, David, fl. 1644. 1645 (1645) Wing S5494; Thomason E274_14; ESTC R209896 100,836 110

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