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A54132 England's present interest discover'd with honour to the prince and safety to the people in answer to this one question, What is most fit ... at this juncture of affairs to be done for composing ... the heat of contrary interests & making them subservient to the interest of the government, and consistent with the prosperity of the kingdom? : presented and submitted to the consideration of superiours. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1675 (1675) Wing P1279; ESTC R1709 45,312 70

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the lawful Inheritance of all Commoners That all Statute-Laws or Judgments whatsoever made in Opposition thereunto should be null and void That all the Ministers of State and Officers of the Realm should constantly be sworn to the Observation thereof and so deeply did after-Parliaments reverence it and so care ful were they to preserve it that they both confirm'd it by 32. several Acts and enacted Copies to be taken and lodg'd in each Cathedral of the Realm to be read four times a Year publickly before the People as if they would have them more oblig'd to their Ancestors for redeeming and transmitting those Priviledges then for begetting them And that Twice every Year the Bishops apparel'd in their Pontificials with Tapers burning and other Solemnities should pronounce the greater Excommunication against the Infringers of the Great Charter though it were but in Word or Counsel for so saith the Statute I shall for further Satisfaction repeat the Excommunication or Curse pronounced both in the Dayes of Henry the Third and Edward the First The Sentence of the Curse given by the Bishops with the King's Consent against the Breakers of the Great Charter IN the year of our Lord 1253. the third day of May in the great Hall of the King at Westminster in the Presence and by the Consent of the Lord Henry by the Grace of God King of England and the Lord Richard Earl of Cornwall his Brother Roger Bigot Earl of Norfolk Marshal of England Humphry Earl of Hereford Henry Earl of Oxford John Earl Warren and other Estates of the Realm of England We Boniface by the Mercy of God Arch-Bishop of Canterbury Primate of England F. of London H. of Ely S. of Worcester E. of Lincoln W. of Norwich P. of Hereford W. of Salisbury W. of Durham R. of Excester M. of Carlile W. of Bath E. of Rochester T. of St. Davids Bishop apparell'd in Pontificials with Tapers burning against the Breakers of the Churches Liberties and of the Liberties and other Customes of this Realm of England and namely these which are contained in the Charter of the Common Liberties of England and Charter of the Forrest have denounced Sentence of Excommunication in this Form By the Authority of Almighty God the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost c. of the blessed Apostle Peter and Paul and of all Apostles and of all Martyrs of blessed Edw. King of England and of all the Saints of Heaven We Excommunicate and Accurse and from the Benefit of our Holy Mother the Church we sequester all those that hereafter willingly and maliciously deprive or spoil the Church of her Right and all those that by any Craft or Willingness do violate break diminish or change the Churches Liberties and free Customs contained in the Charters of the Common Liberties of the Forrest granted by our Lord the King to arch-Arch-Bishops Bishops and other Prelates of England and likewise to the Earls Barons Knights and other Free-holders of the Realm and all that secretly and openly by Deed Word or Counsel do make Statutes or observe them being made and that bring in Customs to keep them when they be brought in against the said Liberties or any of them all those that shall presume to judge against them and all and every such Person before-mention'd that wittingly shall commit any Thing of the Premises let them well know that they incur the aforesaid Sentence ipso facto The Sentence of the Clergy against the Breakers of the Articles above-mentioned IN the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost Amen Whereas our Soveraign Lord the King to the Honour of God and of holy Church and for the common Profit of the Realm hath granted for him and his Heirs for ever these Articles above-xwriten Robert Arch-Bishop of Canterbury Primate of all England admonished all his Province once twice and thrice because that Shortness will not suffer so much delay as to give knowledge to all the People of England of these Presents in writing We therefore enjoyn all Persons of what Estate soever they be that they and every of them as much as in them is shall uphold and maintain these Articles granted by our Soveraign Lord the King in all Points And all those that in any Point do resist or break or in any manner hereafter Procure Counsel or in any wise Assent to Testifie or Break those Ordinances or go about it by Word or Deed openly or privily by any manner of Pretence or Colour we the aforesaid Arch-Bishop by our Authority in this Writing expressed do Excommunicate and Accurse and from the Body of our Lord Jesus Christ and from all the Company of Heaven and from all the Sacraments of Holy Church do sequester and exclude We may here see that in the obscurest Time of Popery they were not left without a Sence of Justice and the Papists whom many think no Friends to Liberty and Property under dreadful Penalties injoyn an inviolable Observance of this great Charter by which they are confirm'd And though I am no Roman Catholick and as little value their other Curses pronounc'd upon Religious Dissents yet I declare ingenuously I would not for the World incur this Curse as every Man deservedly doth that offers Violence to the Fundamental Freedoms thereby repeated and confirmed And that any Church or Church Officers in our Age should have so little Reverence to Law Excommunication or Curse as to be the Men that either vote or countenance such Severities as bid Defiance to the Curse and rend this memorable Charter in pieces by disseizing Free-men of England of their Freeholds Lib●●ties Properties meerly for the Inoffensive Exercise of their Co●science to God in Matters of Worship is a Civil sort of Sacriledge I know it is usually objected That a great Part of the Charter is spent on the Behalf of the Roman Church and other Things now abolisht and if one Part of the great Charter may be repeal'd or invalidated why not the other To which I answer This renders nothing that is Fundamental in the Charter the less valuable for they do not stand upon the Legs of that Act though it was made in Honour of them but the Ancient and primitive Institution of the Kingdom If the Petition of Right were repeal'd the great Charter were never the less in Force it being not the Original Establishment but a Declaration and Confirmation of that Establishment But those Things that are abrogable or abrogated in the great Charter were never a Part of Fundamentals but hedg'd in then for present Emergency or Conveniency Besides that which I have hitherto maintained to be the Common and Fundamental Law of the Land is so reputed and further ratified by the Petition of Right 3 Car. 1. which was long since the Church of Rome lost her Share in the Great Charter Nor did it relate to Matters of Faith and Worship but-Temporalities only the Civil Interest or Propriety of the Church But with what
being in the Negative If the Number was so sacred what was the Constitution it self The very same King executed another of his Judges for passing Sentence of Death upon an Ignoramus return'd by the Jury and a third for condemning a Man upon an Inquest taken ex officio when as the Delinquent had not put himself upon their Tryal More of his Justice might be mention'd even in this very Case There was also a Law made in the time of Aetheldred when the Brittains and Saxons began to grow tame to each other and intercommon amicably that saith Let there be Twelve men of Understanding c. six English and six Welsh and let them deal Justice both to English and Welch Also in those simpler times If a Crime extended but to some shameful Pennace as Pillary or Whipping the last whereof as usual as it may be with us was inflicted only upon their Bond-men then might the Pennance be reduc'd to a Ransom according to the Nature of the Fault but it must be so assest in the Presence of the Judge and by the Twelve that is the Jury of Friling● or Free-men Hitherto Stories tell us of Tryals by Juries and those to have consisted in general Terms of Free-men but PER PARES came after occasion'd by the considerable Saxons neglecting that Service and leaving it to the inferior People who lost the Bench their ancient Right because they were not thought Company for a Judge or Sherif And from the growing Pride of the Danes who slighted such a Rural Judicature and despised the Fellowship of the mean Saxon Free-men in publick Service for the wise Saxon King perceiving the Dangerous Consequence of submitting the Lives and Liberties of the Inferiour but not less useful People to the Dictates of any such superb Humour and on the other hand of subjecting the Nobler Sort to the Suffrage of the Inferior Rank with the Advice of his Wittagenmote provides a third Way most Equal and Grateful and by Agreement with Gunthurne the Dane setled the Law of Peers or Equals which is the Envy of Nations but the famous Priviledge of our English People one of those three Pillars the Fabrick of this ancient and Free Government stands upon This Benefit gets Strength by Time and is receiv'd by the Norman-Duke and his Successors and not only confirm'd in the lump of other Priviledges but in one notable Case for all that might be brought to prove that the fundamental Priviledges mention'd in the Great Charter 9. Hen. 3. were before it The Story is more at large deliver'd by our Learned Selden But thus The Norman Duke having given his half Brother Odo a large Territory in Kent with the Earldom and he taking Advantage at the King 's being displeased with the Arch-Bishop of Canterbury to posses himself of some of the Lands of that See Landfrank that succeeded the Arch-Bishop inform'd hereof petition'd the King for Justice secundum legem terrae according to the Law of the Land upon which the King summon'd a County-Court the Debate lasted three Dayes before the Free-men of Kent in the Presence of Lords and Bishops and others skilful in the Law and the Judgment passed for the Arch-Bishop UPON THE VOTES OF THE FREE-MEN By all which it is I hope sufficiently and inoffensively manifested that these three Principles 1. English men have individually the alone Right of Possession and Disposition of what they have 2. That they are Parties to the Laws of their Country for the Maintenance of that great and just Law 3. That they have an Influence upon and a real Share in the Judicatory Power that shall apply those Laws made have been the ancient Rights of the Kingdom and common Basis of the Government that which Kings under the several Revolutions have sworn to maintain and History affords us so many Presidents to confirm So that the Great Charter made in the 9th of Henry the 3d was not the Nativity but Restoration of ancient Priviledges from Captivity No Grant of New Rights but a New Grant or Confirmation rather of Ancient Laws Liberties violated by King John and gain'd by his Successor at the Expence of a long and bloody War which shew'd them as resolute to keep as their Ancestors had been careful to enact those excellent Laws And so I am come to the Great Charter which is comprehensive and repetitious of what I have already been discoursing and which I shall briefly touch upon with those successive Statutes that have been made in Honour and Preservation of it I shall rehearse so much of it as falls within the Consideration of the foregoing Matter which is a great deal in a little with something of the Formality of Grant and Curse that this Age may see with what Reverence and Circumspection our Ancestors govern'd themselves in Confirming and Preserving it Henry by the Grace of God King of England c. To all arch-Arch-Bishops Earls Barons Sheriffs Provoses Officers unto all Bailifs and our faithful Subjects who shall see this present Charter Greeting Know ye that we unto the Honour of Almighty God and for the Salvation of the Souls of our Progenitors and our Successors Kings of England to the Advancement of Holy Church and Amendment of our Realm of our meer and free Will have given and granted to all arch-Arch-Bishops c. and to all Free-men of this our Realm these Liberties underwritten to be holden and kept in this our Realm of England for evermore Though in Honour to the King it is said to be out of his meer and free Will yet the Qualification of the Persons he is said to grant the ensuing Liberties to shew that they are Terms of Formality viz. To all Free-men of this Realm for they must be free because of these Laws and Liberties since 't was impossible they could be any Thing but Slaves without them Consequently this was not an Infranchising but confirming to Free-men their just Priviledges The Words of the Charter are these A Free-man shall not be amerced for a small Fault but after the Quantity of the Fault and for a great Fault after the Manner thereof saving to him his Contenements or Freehold And a Merchant likewise shall be amerced saving to him his Merchandize and none of the said Amercements shall be assessed but by the Oath of good and honest Men of the Vicinage No Free-man shall be taken or imprison'd nor be disseized of his free hold or Liberties or free Customs or be outlaw'd or exiled or any other wayes destroyed nor we shall not pass upon him nor condemn him but by Lawful Judgment of his Peers or by the Law of the Land we shall sell to no Man we shall deny or defer to no Man either Justice or Right I stand amazed how any Man can have the Confidence to say These Priviledges were extorted by the Barons Wars when the King declares that what he did herein was freely or that they were New
Pretence to Mercy or Justice can the Protestant Church null the Romish that she may retain the English Part without conforming to Rome and yet now cancel the English Part it self to every free-born English Man that will not conform to Her But no more of this at this Time only give me leave to remind a Sort of active Men in our Times that the cruel Infringers of the Peoples Liberties and Violaters of these Noble Laws did not escape with bare Excommunications and Gurses for such was the venerable Esteem our Ancestors had for these great Priviledges and deep Sollicitude to preserve them from the Defacings of Time or Usurpation of Power that King Alfred executed 40 Judges for warping from the ancient Laws of the Realm Hubert de Burgo Chief Justice of England in the Time of Edw. 1. was sentenced by his Peers in open Parliament for advising the King against the Great Charter Thus Spencers both Father and Son for their Arbitrary Rule and Evil Counsel to Edw. 2. were exiled the Realm No better Success had the Actions of Tresilian Belknap And as for Empson and Dudley though Persons of some Quality in the Time of King Henry the 7th the most ignominious Death of our Country such as belongs to Theft and Murder was scarce Satisfaction enough to the Kingdom for their Illegal Courses I shall chuse to deliver it in the Words of Chief Justice Cook a Man whose Learning in Law hath not without Reason obtained a venerable Character of our English Nation There was saith he an Act of Parliament made in the 11th Year of King Hen. 7. which had a fair flattering Preamble pretending to avoid divers Mischiefs which were 1st To the high Dispicasurs of Almighty God 2dly The great Let of the Common Law And 3dly The great Let of the Wealth of this Land And the Purven of that Act tended in the Execution contrary EX DIAMETRO viz. To the high Displeasure of Almighty God and the great Let nay the utter Subversion of the Common Law and the great Let of the Wealth of this Land as hereafter shall appear the Substance of which Act follows in these Words THat from thenceforth as well Justices of Assizs as Justices of the Peace in every County upon Information for the King before them made without any Finding or Presentment by Twelve Men shall have full Power and Authority by their Discretion and to hear and determine all Offences as Riots unlawful Assemblies c. committed and done against any Act or Statute made and not repeal'd c. By Pretext of this Law Empson and Dudley did commit upon the Subjects insufferable Pressure and Oppressions and therefore this Statute was justly soon after the Decease of Hen. 7. repealed at the next Parliament by the Statute of 1 Hen. the 8. chap. 6. A good Caveat to Parliaments to leave all Causes to be measur'd by the Golden and strait Metwand of the Law and not to the incertain and crooked Cord of Discretion It is almost incredible to foresee when any Maxim or Fundamental Law of this Realm is altered as elsewhere hath been observed what dangerous Inconveniencies do follow which most expresly appears by this MOST UNJUST and strange Act of the 11th of Hen. 7. For hereby not only Empson and Dudley themselves but such Justices of Peace corrupt Men as they caused to be authorised committed most grievous and heavy Oppressions Exactions grinding the Faces of the poor Subjects by penal Laws be they never so obsolete or unfit for the Time by Information only without any Presentment or Tryal by Jery being the ANCIENT BIRTH RIGHT of the Subject but to hear and determine the same by their Discretions inflicting such Penalty as the Statute not repealed imposed These and other like Oppressions and Exactions by the Means of Empson and Dudley and their Instruments brought infinite Treasure to the King's Coffers whereof the King himself at the End with GREAT GRIEF and COMPUNCTION REPENTED as in another Place we have observ'd This Statute of the 11th of Hen. 7. we have recited and shewed the just Inconveniencies thereof to the End that the like should NEVER hereafter be attempted in any Court of Parliament and that others might avoid the FEARFUL END of those two Time-Servers Empson and Dudley Qui eorum v●●●igiis insistant exitus perhorrescant I am sure there is nothing I have offer'd in Defence of English-Law Doctrine that riseth higher then the Judgment and Language of this great Man the Preservation and Publication of whose Endeavours became the Care of a great Parliament And it is said of no inconsiderable Lawyer that he should thus express himself in our Occasion viz. The Laws of England were never the Dictates of any Conqueror's Sword or the Placita of any King of this Nation or saith he to speak impartially and freely the Results of any Parliament that ever sate in this Land Thus much of the Nature of English Rights and the Reason and Justice of their inviolable Maintenance I shall now offer some more general Considerations for the Preservation of Property and hint at some of those Mischiefs that follow spoiling it for Conscience sake both to Prince and People 1. The Reason of the alteration of any Law ought to be the Discommodity of Continuing it but there can never be so much as the least Inconveniency in continuing of Liberty and Property therefore there can be no just Ground for infringing much less abrogating the Law that gives and secures them 2. No Man in these Parts is born Slave to another neither hath one Right to inherit the Sweat of the others Brow or reap the Benefit of the others Labour but by Consent therefore no Man should be deprived of Property unless he injure another Man's 3. But certainly nothing is more unreasonable then to sacrifice the Liberty and Property of any Man being his Natural and Civil Rights for Religion where he is not found breaking any Law relating to Natural Civil Things Religion under any Modification is no Part of the old English Government Honeste vivere alterum non ladere jus suum cuique tribeure are enough to entitle every Native to English Priviledges A Man may be a very good English Man and yet a very indifferent Church-man Nigh 300 Years before Austine set his Foot on English Ground had the Inhabitants of this Island a free Government It is Want of distinguishing between It and the Modes of Religion which fills every Clamorous Mouth with such impertinent Cryes as this Why do not you submit to the Government as if the English Civil Government came in with Luther or were to go out with Calvin What Prejudice is it for a Popish Landlord to have a Protestant Tennant or a Presbyterian Tennant to have a Protestant Landlord Certainly the Civil Affairs of all Governments in the World may be peaceably transacted under the different Trims of Religion where Civil Rights are inviolably observ'd Nor is there any
things for their Country And if we had no other Instance then our own Intervals of Connivance they were enough to satisfie reasonable men how much more Moderation contributes to publick Good then the Prosecution of People for their Religious Dissent since the one hath ever produced Trade and Tranquillity the other greater Poverty and Dissension The second Objection and by far the more weighty runs thus Obj. The King and Parliament are sworn to maintain and protect the Church of England as establisht c. therefore to tolerate other Opinions is against their Oath Answ Were the Consequence true as it is extreamly false it were highly unreasonable to expect Impossibilities at their Hands Kings and Parliaments can no more make Brick without Straw then Captives They have not sworn to do things beyond their Ability Had it been in His and their Time and Choice when the Church of England had been first disturbed with dissenting Opinions it might have reflected more colourably a kind of Neglect upon them But since the Church of England was no sooner a Church then she found some sort of Dissenters and that the utmost Policy and Severity of Q. Elizabeth King James and King Charles the 1st were not successful towards an absolute Uniformity Why should it reflect upon them that the Church of England hath not yet rid her self of Dissenting Parties Besides it is Notorious that the late Wars gave that Opportunity to Differing Perswasions to spread that it was utterly impossible for them to hinder much less during the several Years of the King's Exile at what time the present Parliament was no Parliament nor the generality of the Members of it scarce of any Authority Let it be considered that 't was the Study of the Age to make People Anti-Papistical and Anti-Episcopal and that Power and Preferment went on that side Their Circumstances therefore and their Ancestors are not the same They find the Kingdom Divided into several Interests and it seems a Difficulty insurmountable to reduce them to any one Perswasion wherefore to render themselves Masters of their Affections they must necessarily govern themselves towards them on a Ballance as before exprest otherwise they are put upon the greatest Hazards and extreamest Difficulties to themselves and the Kingdom and all to perform the Uncharitable Office of suppressing many Thousands of Inoffensive Inhabitants for the different Exercise of their Conscience to God This is not to make them resemble Almighty God the Goodness of whose Nature extends it self universally thus to narrow his Bowels and confine his Clemency to one single Party of Men It ought to be remembred that Optimus went before Maximus of old and that Power without Goodness is a frightful Sort of a Thing But Secondly I deny the Consequence viz. That the King is therefore oblieged to persecute Dissenters because he or the Parliament hath taken an Oath to maintain the Church of England For it cannot be supposed or intended that by maintaining Her they are to destroy the Rest of the Inhabitants Is it impossible to protect her without knocking all the rest on the Head Do they allow any to Supplant her Officers Invade her Livings Possess her Emoluments Exercise her Authority What would she have Is she not Church of England still in the same Regency invested with the same Power bearing the same Character What Grandeur or Interest hath she lost by them Are they not manifestly her Protector Is she not National Church still And are not the greatest Offices Civil Military and Maritin conferr'd upon her Sons And can any of her Children be so insensible as either to challenge her Superiours with Want of Integrity because they had not performed Impossibilities or to excite them to that Harshness which is not only destructive of many Thousands of Inhabitants but altogether injurious to their own Interest and dishonourable to a Protestant Church Suppose Dissenters not to be of the visible Church are they therefore unfit to live Did the Jews treat Strangers so severely that had so much more to say then her self Is not the King Lord of Wastes and Commons as well as Inclosures Suppose God hath elected some to Salvation doth it therefore follow he hath reprobated all the rest And because he was God of the Jews was he not therefore God of the Gentiles or were not the Gentiles his People because the Jews were his peculiar People To be brief They have answer'd their Obligation consented to severe Laws and commanded their Execution in that they have still preferr'd her above Every Interest in England to render her more Powerful and Universal till they have good Reason to be tired with the Lamentable Consequences of those Endeavours and to conclude that the Uniformity thereby intended is a thing Impracticable And I wonder that these men should so easily forget that great Saying of King CHARLES the 1st whom they pretended so often and with so much Honour to remember in his Advice to the present King where he saith Beware of Exasperating any Factions by the Crossness and Asperity of some Mens Passions Humours or Private Opinions imployed by You grounded only upon their Differences in Lesser Matters which are but the Skirts and Suburbs of Religion wherein a Charitable Connivance and Christain Toleration often Dissipates their Strength whom Rougher Opposition Fortifieth and puts the Despised and Oppressed Party into such Combinations as may most Enable them to get a Full Revenge upon Those they count their Persecutors who are commonly Assisted with that Vulgar Commiseration which attends all that are said to Suffer under the Common Notion of Religion So that we have not only the King's Circumstances but his Father's Counsel who saw not the End of one half of them defending a Charitable Connivance and Christian Toleration of Dissenters Obj. 3. But it may be further alledged This makes way for Popery or Presbytery to undermine the Church of England and mount the Chair of Power and Preferment which is more then a Prudential Indulgence of Different Opinions And yet there is not any so probable an expedient to vanish those Fears and prevent any such Design as keeping all Interests upon the Ballance for so the Protestant makes at least six Parties against Popery and the Church of England at least five against Presbytery and how either of them should be able to turn the Scale against five or six as free and thriving Interests as either of them can pretend to be I confess I cannot understand But if one only Interest must be tolerated which implies a Resolution to suppress the Rest plain it is that the Church of England ventures her single Party against six growing Interest and thereby gives Preshytery and Popery by far an easier Access to Supremacy especially the latter for that it is the Religion of those Parts of Europ which neither want Inclination nor Ability to prosper it So that besides the Consistency of such an Indulgence with the Nature of a Christian-Church there
can be nothing more in Prudence advisable for the Church of England then to allow of the Ballance propounded in that first no Person of any real Worth will ever the sooner decline her on the contrary it will give her a greater Reputation in a Country so hating Severity and next it gives her Opportunity to turn the Scale against any one Party that may aspire after her Power and Indowments And she never need to fear the Agreement of all of them to any such Design Episcopacy not being more intolerable then Presbytery in Power even to an Independency it self and yet between them lies the narrowest Difference that is among the Dissenting Interests in this Kingdom But this seems too large and yielding and therefore to find a Medium something that may compass the happy End of good Correspondence Tranquillity at least so to fortifie the Church of England as that she may securely give Law to all other Religious Interests a Comprehension is pitcht upon and diligently pursued by both Episcopalians and Presbyterians at least some of each Party But if it becomes wise men to Look before they Leap it will not be unadvisable for them to weigh the Consequences of such an Endeavour For in the first place there is no one People I know in England that stands at a greater Distance from her Doctrine as it is maintain'd by her present Sons then the Presbyterians particularly about absolute Reprobation the Person of Christ Satisfaction and Justification and he must be a Stranger in the Religious Contests of our times that knows not this In the next place None have govern'd themselves with a plainer Denial and more peremptory Contempt of Episcopacy and the whole Discipline and Worship of the Church of England then the Presbyterians have ever done let them put me to prove it if they please even of their most reverend Fathers 3dly Who knows not that their reciprocal Heats about these very things went a great way towards our late lamentable Troubles Now if the same Principles remain with each Party and that they are so far from repenting of their Tenaciousness that on the contrary they justifie their Opposition to one another in these matters how can either Party have Faith enough to rely upon each other's Kindness or so much as attempt a Comprehension What must become of the Labours of Bp. Witgift R. Hooker Bp. Banckroft Bp. Lawd c. in Rebuke of the Presbyterian Separation and the Names of those leading Dissenters as Cartwright Dode Bradshow Rutterford Galaspee c. so famous among the present Presbyterians and that for their Opposition to the Church This consider'd what Reason can any render why the Episcopalians should so singularly Provide for and Confide in an Interest that hath already been so Destructive to theirs On the other hand With what Prudence may the Presbyterians imbrace the others Offer that intended it not in Kindness to them and who they must needs think cannot but ow Revenge and retain deep Grudges for old Stories But 4thly The very Reason given for a Comprehension is the greatest that can be urged against it namely The Suppression of other dissenting Perswasions I will suppose a Comprehension and the Consequences of it to be an Eradication of ALL Interests the Thing desired But if the two remaining Parties shall fall out as it is not likely that they will long agree what can the Presbyterian have to Ballance himself against the Ruling Power of Episcopacy or the Episcopalian to secure himself against the Aspirings of Presbytery They must either all become Episcopalians or Presbyterians else they will commix as Iron and Clay which made ill Leggs for the Image in Daniel Nor is it to be thought that their Leggs should stand any better But some are ready to say that Their Difference is very minute Grant it Are they ever the more tolerable for that Certainly Forbearance should carry some Proportion with the Greatness of the Difference by how much it is easier to comply in smaler matters He that dissents fundamentally is more excusable then those that sacrifice the Peace and Concord of a Society about little Circumstances for there cannot be the same Inducement to suspect men of Obstinacy in an Essential as Circumstantial Non Conformity Besides How far can this Accommodation extend with Security to the Church of England Or on what better Terms will the Presbyterians conform to her Discipline and formal Acts of Devotion then those upon which Peter du Moulin offer'd to preach the Gospel at Rome viz. That if the Pope would give him Leave to preach at Rome he would be contented to preach in a Fool 's Coat I question if the Presbyterian can go so far I am sure he could not and as sure that Peter du Moulin hop't by preaching there in a Fool 's Coat to inculcate that Doctrine which should un-Mitre the Pope and alter his Church the very Thing the Church of England ought to fear For Peter du Moulin intended to preach in a Fool 's Coat no longer but till he had preacht the People Wise enough to throw it off again So the Presbyterians they may conform to certain Ceremonies once as sinful to them as a Fool 's Coat could be ridiculous to Peter du Moulin that they may the better introduce their Alterations both in Doctrine and Discipline But that which ought to go a great Way with our Superiours in their Judgment of this Matter is not only the Benefit of a Ballance against the Presumtion of any one Party and the Probability if not Certainty of their never being overdriven by any one Perswasion whilst they have others to more then poiz against the growing Power of it but the Conceit it self if not altogether impracticable is at least very difficult to the Promotors and an Office as thankless from the Parties concern'd This appears in the Endeavours used for a Comprehension of Arrians and Homousians under one Orthodoxy related not only in our common Ecclefiastical History but more amply in the Writings of Hilary an Enemy to the Arrians and Mariana's Spanish History These publick Tests or comprehensive Creeds were many Nice Ariminum Sirminium c. in order to agree both Parties that neither might stigmatize the other with the odious Crime of Heresie but the Consequence of all this Convocation and prolix Debate was that neither Party could be satisfied each continuing their former Sentiments and so grew up into stronger Fractions to the Division Distraction and almost Destruction of the whole Empire recover'd a little by the prudent Moderation of Jovianus and much improved not by a Comprehension but Restauration of a Seasonable Liberty of Conscience by Theodosius Magnus Also in Germany about the Time of the Reformation nothing seemed more sincere then the Design of Union between the Lutherans and Zuinglians For Luther and Zuinglius themselves by the earnest Endeavours of the Landgrave of Hessen came together but the Success was so small notwithstanding